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Possible Kingdom Hearts Upgrades

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Maybe a manga-based resource could help justify this upgrade "more" ? Not sure if it possible & neither am I sure that "this" will contradict video-game resource. although...lot of searching for manga-based resource
 
Was 4.22 Foe from the Zeus feat? The upper boundary for Large Star level is 22.4 Foe. I agree that this is not a particularly higher value, but don't know if we can automatically assume other characters to be Solar System level because of it.
 
This is primarily based on the game itself, Aercau. Kingdom Hearts started out as a game series, meaning the game series serves as the main and primary canon source.
 
Okay. And what was the other feat calculated as? The one that I think Xemnas did?
 
Antvasima said:
Okay. And what was the other feat calculated as?
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Only 10.7 Yotta's, unfortunately. That is Kingdom Heart's feat of restoring hundreds (at least 200 counted) of worlds that were restored at the end of the very first KH game.
 
Hmm. If the stars were restored along with the worlds, it would be rated much higher, and might need a re-calculation.
 
@CrossverseCrisis, idk about that. "7 times out of 10" ... manga is usually 1st. ALthough, i myself am not entirely familar with the KH manga - so i dont want to "beckon" this. 'However, as of right now ... i suppose this will suffice.' (since there is some sort of proof)

Still, personally, something doesn't fit right with me
 
@Antvasima: Well it's sort of a problem cause when Vivi/ClassicGameGuys did Kingdom Heart's KH1 feat, he only counted 200 worlds. Ever did say that more were restored, we just only know that at least 200 of them were known and accounted for.

I do agree that given that Everlasting has reconsidered using stars as well in this matter, a re-calculation might be the best option.
 
Aercau said:
@CrossverseCrisis, idk about that. "7 times out of 10" ... manga is usually 1st. ALthough, i myself am not entirely familar with the KH manga - so i dont want to "beckon" this. 'However, as of right now ... i suppose this will suffice.' (since there is some sort of proof)
Still, personally, something doesn't fit right with me
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Well your going to have to convince Everlasting and Antvasima about it. I'm just going by what was the main canon which is the game series itself.
 
Call it "laziness" but uhh ... the reason as to why i don't want to "Beckon" this notion is because of the fact I'm not "entirely familiar" with the KH manga. And if no one is

(I'm certain someone is) ...

then that'll be a lot of manga to browse through ... all just to provided further verification of this Upgrade.

Rather than "laziness" ... call it "excessive", yet (somewhat) necessary ... in a way. But this is only if someone is familar with the Manga.

In addition, this comes down to which came 1st - manga or video game. However, i recall Normura stating that sometimes the manga contradict with the video game - such as Larxene dieing entirely differently in the manga

(she, essentiallyand/or relatively, electrocuted herself by accident)

This is why i don't want to "beckon" this - but ... idk

Regardless, there is enough reason to proceed with the upgrade.
 
@Aercau:

Here's a quick fact: Kingdom Hearts 1 was created by Tetsuya Nomura and came out in March 28, 2002. The first manga version of the KH series came out over a year after the first game came out and was written by some person.

It's like Dragon Ball. The manga came out first and is considered as the primary source here and likely everywhere else. The anime came sometime after the manga was started.

Do you understand? Game came first and is therefore the primary canon. That and i really suggest you drop the topic about what came first. Regardless, this upgrade is going to go through weather you like it or not.
 
@CrossverseCrisis, You misunderstand me,

I never had a problem with it; in fact, i was fine with this.

I was just ensuring that other people were aware of this and that it should be (at least ) considered.

But as long as the ... "Primary Source" (what you stated) is truth then ... "i honestly couldn't care less"

( I'm emphasizing how ok i am with this ... so as long as the Evidence & Origin all '"checks out")

Last thing I'd say is ... when i have a bad feeling ... usually "something's up" & then I'll regret it later :/
 
@Aercau: Well Everlasting, the guy who made this thread and is our biggest expert when it comes to Kingdom Hearts at it's entirety, can definitely tell you that all this has been considered. (Albeit it's pretty much all from the game series itself given that the calc's made for them was there but still). Aside from that, alright then. *Nods*
 
Aercau said:
Is it just only Xemnas though ?
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No. Everyone in the entire KHverse (it's original characters like Xemnas and Sora), the Disney side (Mickey, Maleficent, etc.), and the Final Fantasy side (Cloud, Sephiroth, etc.) are all getting this cause all of them are literally 5-A.
 
sounds good *^-^*

btw, when i read Final Fantasy gonna get a upgrade - I immediately thought of the

DeathBattle: Yang (RWBY) Vs. Tifa - Tifa should've won that ... BIG TIME :D ... thats a completely different story & won't talk about that here ... ~.~
 
Yes. If somebody is willing to do it.
 
CrossverseCrisis said:
@Antvasima: Anyways, we'll have to re-calc Kingdom Hearts feat based on this then, yes?
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So after the re Calc, will the KH cast such as Sora, Riku, Organization 13, Ansem etc as well Final Fantasy's Cloud and Sephiroth and Disney's Maleficent be higher up in the High 4-C Tier?
 
Yes. Possibly in the 4-B tier.
 
Antvasima said:
Yes. Possibly in the 4-B tier.
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You serious? Care to elaborate? Don't get me wrong, I LOVE KH to death now and would REALLY want them to move up in Tier, I guess that Calc must be kind of Old then, I guess it would also make sense since the strongest incarnation of Cloud and Sephiroth from their own Final Fantasy series happens to be 4-B as well , but like Crisis told me before, we don't know which version of said characters appear in the Kingdom Hearts games, but it would still make MUCH more sense the having then go up all the way to 3-A just cause Sora be Genie Jafar lol
 
Well it's more like that Cloud and the others were likely "remade" differently to fit into living within the KHverse.

Also if the KH characters were to be "possibly/likely 4-B", it would definitely fit with Twilight Xemnas being above Sephiroth, Maleficent, Genie Jafar (if you don't take Jafar's universal statement seriously), and likely Ansem himself according to what Nomura stated about Xemnas being the most powerful in KH (though i've read that Nomura never stated which version of Xemnas he was referring to, but it might likely be Twilight Xemnas).
 
So let's sum this up. These would be the changes to AP and Speed for the characters in KH.

Attack Potency: At least Large Star level, possibly Solar System level

Speed: At least FTL+, possibly Massively FTL+ via calc

I believe these upgrades would apply to the vast majority of the Kingdom Hearts characters, with fodders in the series getting the Large Star level rating. Anyone okay with this?
 
Yeah, if the Re Calc ends up increasing the Majority of the KH cast AP even more

Attack Potency: At Least High 4-C, possibly 4-B

sounds good, as for Speed

Speed: At Least FTL+

should be good for now
 
DBZMLP12345 said:
Yeah, if the Re Calc ends up increasing the Majority of the KH cast AP even more

Attack Potency: At Least High 4-C, possibly 4-B

sounds good, as for Speed

Speed: At Least FTL+

should be good for now
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@CrossverseCrisis I am not saying anything definitive. I am just speculating that an updated calculation involving hundreds of stars might land the main characters in the lower bounds of Solar System level. But it also might not.

@Azathoth I agree with "At least FTL+" or "FTL+. Possibly higher".
 
@Antvasima: Fair enough.

I think "At least FTL+/FTL+, Possibly higher" is good. The mini calc of Reppu's could be used as the possibly higher speed level then if we can get to it. Otherwise, Azzy's idea seems the best to go for.

For AP/Durability, I think it should be "at least Large Star level+(High 4-C), possibly Solar System level(4-B)" for like the majority as noted. Fodder bosses are definitely just Large Star level.

Edit: So basically the majority are going to be "At least Large Star+, possibly Solar System". What about the fodder bosses who somehow end up as just Large Star? And who would those fodder bosses be, exactly?
 
I think that we should wait with any Solar System level ratings until after somebody has re-calculated the feat of restoring a few hundred stars, if that is what happened. You can ask the calculation group about it.
 
Seems fair, guess we'll have to wait a while before the re Calc and if it actually changes anything, so is the KH cast getting an upgrade to At Least FTL+ for speed?
 
Well, not exactly an upgrade, but yes.
 
If anything as of now, High 4-C and at least FTL+ KH is what i'm up for atm.

When we get somebody to do the Re calc and we end up with a big result, we can come back here to discuss about it.

How's that sound for everybody here?
 
Hmm. The KH pages should probably have a "revisions" tag. Just pointing that out there since this might not be the final editing for the verse's tiering...

Edit: Actually nvrmind, it might not be nessecery.
 
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