Possible FF15 speed revision

[ThePerpetual]

Not by necessity? Sometimes characters in fiction teleport simply because its effortless for him and/or it avoids any risk of running into or getting clipped by a stray hit.

That, and rule of cool. Lol.

At any rate, those particular hits aren't really a demonstration of what in particular I was referring to

 

[Friendlysociopath]

Not by necessity? Sometimes characters in fiction teleport simply because its effortless for him and/or it avoids any risk of running into or getting clipped by a stray hit.
That, and rule of cool. Lol.

At any rate, those particular hits aren't really a demonstration of what in particular I was referring to

My mistake for the latter then.

 

[BowserRulesAll]

So um, can the changes be applied?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I honestly am not sure this is even legit.

Luminous = Emits light, not light itself.

His energy beams could be light but they could simply glow and emit light instead, which literally any energy beam does. U

 

[BowserRulesAll]

What's with you and trying to debunk everything i care about?

Jokes aside tho, i can't argue against that.

 

[Jesterofgames]

But the laser is called luminous energy which is well https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luminous_energy A quantity of light Plus Things like fire magic being Refured to fire energy when being gathered.

 

[BowserRulesAll]

So um... can the changes be applied?

And if it can; how should we handle the rest? Should we just list the rest (who don't have Phasing like, say, Ardyn and any other Lucian King or Queen) as "At least Sub-Relativistic movement speed, FTL reactions and combat speed"?

 

[Lightning_XXI]

But the laser is called luminous energy which is well https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luminous_energy A quantity of light Plus Things like fire magic being Refured to fire energy when being gathered.

Yeah, I agree

And Bowser, I think it is Sub Relativistic + Combat speed and FTL reactions for Noctis, I'm not sure if this can be used as movement speed

 

[Sparda_20000000]

So is this going to be added then?

 

[Lightning_XXI]

Everyone, except Matt, agreed

So, yeah, I think

 

[Sparda_20000000]

Let's see Matthew's counter arguments for it being accept as Matt does always something interesting to add

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I'd rather discuss this with Ever and Reppuzan.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Ever is telling me that he is super uncertain and finds it vague.

 

[Reppuzan]

From my talks with Ever, he's mostly neutral on this.

As for me, I'm not totally sure either, since you make a good point in that light energy is not necessarily the same as luminous energy.

At the very least, it does fill some of our criterion for laser dodging (i.e. being a perfectly straight line).

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I mean, that's the most basic criteria.

 

[ThePerpetual]

It's also single-frame, so its definitely portrayed similarly to an actual laser at least.

There's not exactly any mirrors in a cave, I don't think, so there's no evaluating that particular criteria. I dunno, I guess I'll go ask @Everlasting myself at some point.

 

[The_Everlasting]

How is it being single-frame proof of it being a laser?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

It isn't. If anything, in-gameplay cloud-to-ground lightning is also single-frame.

It isn't proof of Lightspeed. How fast it appears in gameplay is pointless to obtain a result, as by that logic Noctis would be subsonic.

 

[ThePerpetual]

Well, that's not really what I'm arguing. I'm just saying that "real" lasers as we tend to define them are usually portrayed as being single-frame, and such is the case here. Not that such is 100% proof.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

No that's not the case. Star Wars Blasters in Legends aren't single-frame but they are always stated to be Lightspeed or at least Relativistic+, and one time they were stated to be Lightspeed with a numerical value given.

Single-frame isn't evidence.

 

[Lightning_XXI]

"Luminous Energy" is what a Photo possesses, basically

So yes, if Imp's attack it's based in Luminous Energy, it travels at the speed of light

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

No it doesn't. Any energy beam that glows is luminous energy.

 

[PaChi2]

Im neutral here.

 

[Lightning_XXI]

Yes but, the game states that is a Laser

And Lasers are ordered beams of photons doesn't ? And travels at the speed of light, and if it doesn't, we can take the slower Laser and calc a Low-End for this feat

In addition, they have luminous energy, being consistent with the other information that the game brings to us

 

[BowserRulesAll]

Bump.

 

[BowserRulesAll]

Bump: The Sequel

 

[BowserRulesAll]

Za Bumpo

 

[Jesterofgames]

"Beams of light"

Ok the imp thing was To vauge how about this

 

[Jesterofgames]

It may take me awhile to get Noctis dodging this though Because it's a boss that's fought only once at chapter 12 and while it's possible to dodge it's light beams it's mostly usually warping through the attacks as they go sideways

 

[BowserRulesAll]

Hmm... try to stay in front of it the entire fight, it should be the easiest way to dodge it's beam.

In any case, that should reinforce the first argument.

 

[Reppuzan]

The problem is that the beams don't really display any of the other properties of light.

We need to be more stringent about our laser dodging.

 

[Jesterofgames]

The ones the death claw fire? They travel in a straight line and turn where they hit read like they are melting or heating it up .... In pretty sure they are actual light

 

[Jesterofgames]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lJTxM_RPxjk At 40 some seconds in Noctis activates his warp ability and moves through the beam of light Note how it sets fire to things it touches Light speed warp reactions for Noctis?

 

[BowserRulesAll]

Hate to say it, but that wasn't a warp. That was a glitch; Noctis remained in place and it went through him harmlessly.

 

[Jesterofgames]

He activated warp before hand you can see him take the stance and such

 

[Jesterofgames]

Note I'm not saying it scales to anything aside from warp/phasing speed but still

 

[BowserRulesAll]

It wasn't a warp; if anything, it was phase/blink.

Btw, you can't warp without Warp-Striking in gameplay.

 

[Jesterofgames]

You can when using spells or things Also then lightspeed phase Phase/blink?

 

[BowserRulesAll]

if it's legit light, it still does not count unless Noctis can phase through the attack upon being fired, not moved.

 

[Jesterofgames]

He should be able to there isnt an attack that isnt abovoidable/phaseable through