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So i was in Space Battles reading a Doctor Who respect thread, and i found this line, which could warrant huge upgrades to Doctor Who:
Depending on your interpretation this could be anywhere from 2-A to High 1-B, so i want to know what to do with that line
I also read the Quantum Archangel novel and found some things that may or not warrant an upgrade:
Not really upgrades, but here are some additions to the Eternals' page:
Matter Manipulation
In the Doctor Who novel The Quantum Archangel, it is shown that the screams of an Eternal such as Elektra are powerful enough to shred matter down to the quark level.
Acausality
In the series of episodes Enlightenment", The Eternals are stated to dwell in "Eternity", a domain above Time, which they consider a small domai
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I'm not sure about what this really is, but it seems that The Eternals can't be truly "killed", and are simply transfered to Eternity when their physical forms are destroyed
Note: This is NOT an upgrade thread, at least not until we reach a conclusion about these quotes
| Imagine, if you will, a vortex. A really powerful vortex that drags into itself anything that comes into its trajectory. A vortex made up of an infinite number of well, levels for want of a better description. And if they seem to diminish as they get towards the bottom of the vortex, rest assured, it's an illusion. For this vortex has no bottom. It is, being constructed of chronon energy, and thus temporal in nature, endless. Eternal. Bottomless, topless, middleless. It is neither linear not multifaceted in existence. It is completely unique and is, theoretically, situated at the centre of creation. Of course, in a multiverse that expands exponentially and is unfixed and infinite in nature, a 'centre' is a theoretical and practical impossibility For millennia, scholars have tried to fathom the true nature of what they have come to refer to as 'The Spiral'. They have failed because, of course, they cannot tell whether each time they examine the Spiral they are seeing it exponentially or randomly. It is theorised that creatures live within the confines of the Spiral, creatures that have access to multiple dimensions and realities. Although these theories cannot be disproved, nor can they be proven, as no acceptable method of determination can be found. No one can ever be sure, if these creatures do indeed exist, whether due to their crossing of the timelines they are actually temporal duplicates of just one original creature or whether they really are legion. |
I also read the Quantum Archangel novel and found some things that may or not warrant an upgrade:
| 'She's altering reality,' said the Doctor, examining the charred Kairos Lattice as if it were a valuable antique. 'In this universe, I suspect that Anjeliqua never stole the patent. It was always credited to you, Paul.' 'But if she's changed reality, how come we remember the Whitefriar Lattice?' asked Stuart. 'Surely we should always have known it as the Kairos Lattice?' Alternate universes and parallel realities were covered in the temporal mechanics course ― he had taught enough of them ― but as theoretical models they were nothing more than a set of mathematical absurdities, and he had never expected to see them proved to him. Then again, when he had woken up with a hangover this morning he hadn't expected to take part in a time ram, visit the Great Attractor and end up in a hidden cathedral on the moon. Nor had he expected to end the day thirty years younger. 'This has all the hallmarks of an incomplete reality shift.' The Doctor scratched his head. 'I suspect ― I hope ― that she's still learning about her powers. The Lux Aeterna may be omnipotent but it's dependent upon Anjeliqua's intelligence, and that's a limiting factor.' 'As much as it pains me to say it, Anjeliqua isn't exactly stupid. Doctor,' said Arlene. 'And the Lux Aeterna is ultimate power,' the Doctor continued. 'Even a genius cannot comprehend it in its entirety. But that doesn't give us any room for complacency: the fact that any part of the reality shift breached the TARDIS at all is a clear demonstration of just how powerful she's become. But she hasn't quite mastered the intricacies yet. A reality shift has to occur on a near-infinite number of levels simultaneously for it to be seamless. That we still remember the Whitefriar Lattice suggests she hasn't yet learnt how to completely separate the new reality from the old.' 'But if she can't control her powers, we haven't got anything to worry about, surely?' asked Arlene. 'My dear Professor Cole, we have everything to worry about. With every passing second she will gain more and more control. Until the entire cosmos becomes her plaything. |
| The Quantum Archangel threw her head back and laughed into the void. It was so simple! Even without the power she needed to fulfil her destiny, she could still make a difference. After her initial fumblings, it felt natural now: she could see the endless possibilities in any given moment, and she could use the one that she knew was the right one. She could see virtually all the levels of existence and alter them in a harmony of life and fire. She could make the new reality important, and that gave it its freedom |
Matter Manipulation
In the Doctor Who novel The Quantum Archangel, it is shown that the screams of an Eternal such as Elektra are powerful enough to shred matter down to the quark level.
| Elektra and Prometheus remained silent: there was nothing to say, nothing to do. Together, the Guardians could bend reality, fashion space and time to their whims. To them a Chronovore and an Eternal were insects ― less than insects. And then Elektra realised what they meant ― what they intended to do. She screamed her defiance, her cries tearing through the vortex, powerful enough to shred matter down to the quark level. But to the Council of Guardians it was nothing more than a summer breeze. |
In the series of episodes Enlightenment", The Eternals are stated to dwell in "Eternity", a domain above Time, which they consider a small domai
| DOCTOR: Why are you doing this? STRIKER: The race? As a diversion. DOCTOR: And the crews for the ships, you collected from their different time zones just as a diversion, too? STRIKER: They are Ephemerals. DOCTOR: Ephemerals? STRIKER: Beings like yourself. DOCTOR: You had no right to do it. They're real. Living, breathing flesh and blood. STRIKER: You are not an Ephemeral. You are a time dweller. You travel in time. DOCTOR: You're reading my thoughts. STRIKER: You are a Time Lord. A lord of time. Are there lords in such a small domain? DOCTOR: And where do you function? STRIKER: Eternity. SAILOR: Marker buoy, sir, coming up on the starboard bow. STRIKER: The endless wastes of eternity. |
- And in the same episode, The Doctor states that they exist outside of time
| TEGAN: Go away. DOCTOR [OC]: It's me. (Tegan lets him in.) DOCTOR: What's the matter? TEGAN: This. This room. DOCTOR: Yes, well, they can make anything they see in your mind. That's how this ship was made, out of the minds of the crew. Just as this room was. TEGAN: Shows the state my mind's in. (The Doctor picks up a stuffed koala bear toy.) DOCTOR: Hmm. TEGAN: Are they like Time Lords? DOCTOR: Oh, no, no, they exist outside of time. TEGAN: How? DOCTOR: They're eternal. They exist in eternity. It's er, it's not really what you'd call living. |
- And in the Comic Strip Uninvited Guest, The Doctor, states that The Eternals exist outside of Time (Again), and cannot be perceived by it, and thus, are unchanging and unaging
| PROSPERO: We are the Eternals, we are the endless, we are the ones who do not die... DOCTOR: ...and do not change, but only because you exist outside of time, of course... Time cannot notice you, so no point in time can be your end That is the case ... Isn't? |
I'm not sure about what this really is, but it seems that The Eternals can't be truly "killed", and are simply transfered to Eternity when their physical forms are destroyed
| TEGAN: Angry? I'm not angry, I'm disgusted. A ship blows up, all aboard are lost, and you don't even care MARRINER: You don't understand. They were not lost. They transferred. TEGAN: They were saved? MARRINER: They transferred home. TEGAN: The whole crew? No, you don't mean the crew at all, do you. You mean the officers. Things like you, whatever you are. What happened to the crew? Were they all killed? MARRINER: But Ephemerals have such short lives in any case. TEGAN: Human beings, you mean. MARRINER: Whatever you wish to call them. And on this ship at least, they are treated well. TEGAN: Well? I happen to think that human lives are just as valuable as yours. I happen to be a human being. |
