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Lilotto being shorter then the average Japanese middle schooler doesn't make any sense. Just use this for a reference http://nbakki.hatenablog.com/entry/2014/05/26/192451
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Possible Bleach Speed Update
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So what height do you recommend it should be used for Liltotto and Candice?IMadeThisOn8-1-2017 said:
1.33 / 1.4m for Liltotto and 1.6m for Candice would be good?
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^That's fine, just look at the link I posted and that should help you.
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http://nbakki.hatenablog.com/entry/Girls_Average_Height_and_Weight_by_Age_in_Japa, use this one instead it's more recent.
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Liltotto is actually very small, on that site mentions about 1.57m for the age of 17, in case it is larger than I considered.
I think 1.4m looks good, it seems to be a bit bigger than Hiyori.
I think 1.4m looks good, it seems to be a bit bigger than Hiyori.
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Go ahead with 1.4m, thats a good estimate. It's just funny to that she's the size of the average 10 year old in Japan.
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Okay, I changed the results with 1.6 and 1.4m, there was not much change.
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Now let's talk about which end to use, Imade suggest the middle (me too), what opinion of you?
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Hiding the outlier is point to be brought up for the acceptable margin of error here. Using a higher timeframe lessens the results for the distance dramatically, using a lower timeframe makes it larger distance.Sekusu said:
"What the...? What was that...?!"
Using a word per second here sounds ok for the 5 sec low end to say aloud, even though it could be said in less time since talking is a free action and they react to characters creating sonic booms by moving.
I don't really agree to having anyone below ichigos tier to be close to his top end cruising speed even for their combat / reactional speed since the sternritters especially get the behind the back blitz trope treatment when he shows up tho. If other characters below him have faster speed than his cruising speed this assumption for acceptable margin of error falls apart.
Also scaling shikai ichigo to yhwach from reacting to mimihagi's velocity should be a no no context wise until yhwach treats him seriously once ichigo goes into his bankai form. Using his cruising speed should be the speed ichigo gets for his weaker forms.
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Wouldn't really change the results by that much using a higher timeframe.Merlight said:
We don't use words per second here.
I do not agree, in his shikai form ichigo knocked back yhwach a decent distance away and and manged grab his arm before yhwach could react, so i can make a case for Base Yhwach (Pre-Mimihagi)= Shikai Ichigo.
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Depends on how much higher ya wanna assume it took them to say it then. Time between panels can be anything, 1 panel between it is really not saying much.
Theres two sentences so yeah, there could be a gap in time.
Where's the 5 second assumption even come from other than WPM?
Yhwach was basically being calm af the whole time though, not even exerting himself, Yoruichi managed to make threads around him, etc. Knocking him back while he's standing there iirc.
Theres two sentences so yeah, there could be a gap in time.
Where's the 5 second assumption even come from other than WPM?
Yhwach was basically being calm af the whole time though, not even exerting himself, Yoruichi managed to make threads around him, etc. Knocking him back while he's standing there iirc.
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I particularly think the High End is acceptable. And, I believe, that would still be somehow a Low End for the calculation.
The argument you used to determine the final velocity of Ichigo is that the Quincys were unable to see it. Literally, an overcoming reaction. When assuming a time of 2, 5 or even 1 second it is even to suggest that the reaction of Quincys is less than that of ordinary humans.
Anyway, I do not see why I assume something inferior to the High End. I would even suggest another End, where it is considered a time of human reaction, or superhuman.
The argument you used to determine the final velocity of Ichigo is that the Quincys were unable to see it. Literally, an overcoming reaction. When assuming a time of 2, 5 or even 1 second it is even to suggest that the reaction of Quincys is less than that of ordinary humans.
Anyway, I do not see why I assume something inferior to the High End. I would even suggest another End, where it is considered a time of human reaction, or superhuman.
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"When assuming a time of 2, 5 or even 1 second it is even to suggest that the reaction of Quincys is less than that of ordinary humans."
And using .0001 seconds would be just as valid tho, considering the sternritter gals make sonic booms by moving. hence hiding the outlier. kinda a reason why calc-stacking is a thing since you can blitz superhumans in fiction; anyone below ichigo getting a higher speed feat would invalidate this by applying the reaction arguement.
anyway the reaction thing is distance based for his time of arrival, they apparently can react to speak before ichigo drops the full distance circa before when he hits the shield, but not track his movement with their eyes.
And if we are gonna go by that why not use actual human reactions lol
"When measured in terms of a single movement of often undefined, small distance, humans have displayed between 300 millisecond (below average human) to 100 millisecond (peak human) reactions"
0.3 seconds going by that shiz
And using .0001 seconds would be just as valid tho, considering the sternritter gals make sonic booms by moving. hence hiding the outlier. kinda a reason why calc-stacking is a thing since you can blitz superhumans in fiction; anyone below ichigo getting a higher speed feat would invalidate this by applying the reaction arguement.
anyway the reaction thing is distance based for his time of arrival, they apparently can react to speak before ichigo drops the full distance circa before when he hits the shield, but not track his movement with their eyes.
And if we are gonna go by that why not use actual human reactions lol
"When measured in terms of a single movement of often undefined, small distance, humans have displayed between 300 millisecond (below average human) to 100 millisecond (peak human) reactions"
0.3 seconds going by that shiz
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Assuming a human reaction, Ichigo's cruising speed is consistent with the work. Here one is not considering any superior deed at a time prior to this.
And in Quincys' 'dialogue', it was never mentioned 'he is falling', but rather 'he fell'. Notice that the dialogue panel is below the two travel panels. They literally started talking after Ichigo had already fallen.
And in Quincys' 'dialogue', it was never mentioned 'he is falling', but rather 'he fell'. Notice that the dialogue panel is below the two travel panels. They literally started talking after Ichigo had already fallen.
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I brought this up before but why is the auswahlen dodging don't by bazz-b and a few others not used to get a speed feat
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Prove me to that Auswahlen is light speed.Paul Frank said:
That's why.
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"Here one is not considering any superior deed at a time prior to this."
Like, the Lilltotto calc does contradict the later deed of ichigo arriving if you are saying he's slower than .07c for his speed, when he didn't seem to be tiring from going fast and hurrying. Its internally inconsistent to use one without discrediting the other imo if it contradicts him moving right afterward and blitzing the sternritters.
A sonic boom (which the sternritters clearly can react to due to so many sonic booms created by other characters) at a meter away takes 0.00291545189 seconds, Ichigo travelling that distance to which they didn't notice...within prolly way lesser time if we're know they don't react also noting that they cant track something movin slower than .07c?
Reacting to something moving .07c 1 meter away is 0.0000000476520136 seconds for their reaction time mind you.
Like, the Lilltotto calc does contradict the later deed of ichigo arriving if you are saying he's slower than .07c for his speed, when he didn't seem to be tiring from going fast and hurrying. Its internally inconsistent to use one without discrediting the other imo if it contradicts him moving right afterward and blitzing the sternritters.
A sonic boom (which the sternritters clearly can react to due to so many sonic booms created by other characters) at a meter away takes 0.00291545189 seconds, Ichigo travelling that distance to which they didn't notice...within prolly way lesser time if we're know they don't react also noting that they cant track something movin slower than .07c?
Reacting to something moving .07c 1 meter away is 0.0000000476520136 seconds for their reaction time mind you.
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@Merlight
You do know that we're not allowed to apply a speed to Ichigo from another calc to this calc, correct? If was previously attempted and deemed as calc-stacking, thus Sklaveri's method has the speed derived from within the actual feat itself of the distance.
>And using .0001 seconds would be just as valid tho, considering the sternritter gals make sonic booms by moving. hence hiding the outlier.
We can't do that, that would lead to inflation and some pretty large assumptions.
You do know that we're not allowed to apply a speed to Ichigo from another calc to this calc, correct? If was previously attempted and deemed as calc-stacking, thus Sklaveri's method has the speed derived from within the actual feat itself of the distance.
>And using .0001 seconds would be just as valid tho, considering the sternritter gals make sonic booms by moving. hence hiding the outlier.
We can't do that, that would lead to inflation and some pretty large assumptions.
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It contradicts the other speed calc in the first place so if Lilleto is suddenly thousands of times faster than ichigo's hurrying flight speed'' being derived from an assumed timeframe ''then thats funny. Assumed timeframe is really just another large assumption.
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If we did otherwise then it's calc-stacking, we aren't allowed to calc-stack. Thus we do this as it's more reasonable.
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Its not reasonable that Ichigo's "hurry i better save my friends lives" flight speed is thousands of times slower than a character that he blitzed.
Literally what.
Thats not consistent with the work.
Literally what.
Thats not consistent with the work.
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If we applied Ichigo's actual speed rating (which was derived from a calc) to this calc then it becomes calc stacking which is against the rules. We literally can't do this, it's against the rules.
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If we consider this, it is stacking calculation, this is not accepted here.
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His speed rating is getting calced within the blog with an assumed timeframe within the same scene, which is no different than if it was within another blog and copy pasted and applied. The distance and timeframe for ichigos cruising speed are derived from fan measurements and assumptions, not statements or visuals speed cues like a sonic boom or a statement of his speed for precision's sake.
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This is how the wiki works Merlight, go complain to the staff members.
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So, is it calc-stacking if we combine the calcs into one blog?
Because that's literally how dumb the rules sound.
There's already a speed calculation being used to find out the value of another speed calc all in one blog.
Why bother asking the mods to sort of the logical inconsistency here for the rule lol
Because that's literally how dumb the rules sound.
There's already a speed calculation being used to find out the value of another speed calc all in one blog.
Why bother asking the mods to sort of the logical inconsistency here for the rule lol
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You can't calc a speed from one feat then use that speed to scale relatively to others in a different feat (Unless doing calcing with real life) because it's more often than not super inconsistent.
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It's calc stacking if you apply the results from a different calc to another scenario in another separate calc.
What Sklaveri is doing here is using the singular instance of Ichigo traveling through the Shakonmaku when he was flying down from the Soul King's Palace. He got a speed of Ichigo through this and could apply it to this same feat with Ichigo's duration of 9 hours and 15 minutes of flying.
The same calc, the same feat and the same instance. It avoids inflation through calc stacking, doing anything otherwise would be wanking.
What Sklaveri is doing here is using the singular instance of Ichigo traveling through the Shakonmaku when he was flying down from the Soul King's Palace. He got a speed of Ichigo through this and could apply it to this same feat with Ichigo's duration of 9 hours and 15 minutes of flying.
The same calc, the same feat and the same instance. It avoids inflation through calc stacking, doing anything otherwise would be wanking.
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Literally what is being done here to find the distance is stacking a speed calc though.
Whether you use the Lilleto one or the one in the same scene via assumed timeframe, there's no diff since the spee for Ichigo is being determined through a fan calculatio.
Whether you use the Lilleto one or the one in the same scene via assumed timeframe, there's no diff since the spee for Ichigo is being determined through a fan calculatio.
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You remind me of myself when I was arguing that calc-stacking was confusing when trying to use Ichigo's calc'd speed from another calc to apply to this distance. It's just how the wiki functions to avoid possible inflation.
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Its literally no different, you guys can call it not calc-stacking but by your own rules, it is lol. The same inflation is evident when the assumed timeframe is an unknown value so yeah
You guys keep thinking Ichigo at his fastest is slower than Lilleto, someone he blitzed easily.
I'll just laugh at how this place runs.
You guys keep thinking Ichigo at his fastest is slower than Lilleto, someone he blitzed easily.
I'll just laugh at how this place runs.
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Dude this is cruising speed, combat speed is already different.
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This seems fine at first glance, in particularly the mid end.
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And?USklaverei said:
His flight speed magically gets slower over distance? Esp when he was not fatigued from travelling for 9 hours?
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That changes everything.
Ichigo took 9 hours to walk that distance, but Mimihagi could cross it in seconds, Ichigo in combat could react to Mimihagi.
Lille also crossed that distance in seconds, his cruising speed is much higher than Ichigo's, but in combat, Ichigo is superior.
Ichigo took 9 hours to walk that distance, but Mimihagi could cross it in seconds, Ichigo in combat could react to Mimihagi.
Lille also crossed that distance in seconds, his cruising speed is much higher than Ichigo's, but in combat, Ichigo is superior.
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nopers to the bolded He reacted to a Yhwach giving no shiz about being threatened.USklaverei said:
shikai ichigo shouldn't scale to mimi's speed, going by the calc.
he flied, not walked too
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This is some serious derail.
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