Possible AP Revision for Super Hedgehogs (Sonic, Shadow, and Silver)

[MinatoSparkle]

All of the Super Hedgehogs at full power power are Low Multiversal for defeating Solaris, who has Low Multiversal durability. Normally, this would be fine, but it becomes a problem when you realize the only reason his durability is that is because he has to be destroyed thorughout different points in time at the same time to actually be destroyed. It would make sense for his durability to scale to his AP, but I don't think there's any actual 100% proof how much damage he can withstand is actually low multiversal.

 

[TurboTriangle601]

Seems reasonable to me but i will wait for more comments.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

I also would like to ask why no tiers between 4-A and 2-C? can't be used. And I'm against the Solaris feat because it happened only once and Sonic '06 was a really s***ty game and should be non-canon.

 

[Wokistan]

Egg wizard is also 2-C, Time eater is low 2-C. Solaris isn't the only tier 2 feat for super forms. You can't use tiers in between the ones demonstrated because the lack of feats in those tiers makes giving them actual AP and stuff impossible.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Egg wizard is also 2-C

Wait hold the phone what

 

[Wokistan]

Something about it merging Sonic and Blaze's universes, let me find the profile

 

[Wokistan]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Egg_Wizard

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Egg wizard is also 2-C, Time eater is low 2-C. Solaris isn't the only tier 2 feat for super forms. You can't use tiers in between the ones demonstrated because the lack of feats in those tiers makes giving them actual AP and stuff impossible.

But the reason Egg Wizard's durability is 2-C is because it withstood hits from Super Sonic and Burning Blaze, who's 2-C is from Solaris and scaling to Sonic who is 2-C from Solaris.

 

[Wokistan]

Containing that level of power wouldn't really be possible if its durability was any less. Super forms can also hurt one another, and tank attacks from these.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Containing that level of power wouldn't really be possible if its durability was any less. Super forms can also hurt one another, and tank attacks from these.

That makes sense, but is there undeniable, 100% proof? When?

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

The Egg Wizard seems extremely confusing.

Isn't this the same invention that had "blow up a planet" as a super-powerful last resort attack?

 

[The_Everlasting]

I frankly have issues with the Super characters having a Variable tier, to be honest.

 

[Wokistan]

I thought the regular final boss was the one that had the planet busting as pinch mode. If it was egg wizard, I guess that's what happens when authors don't realize that the random background nonsense is actually far more impressive stats wise than the intended feat lol

 

[The_Everlasting]

I'm also lke 90% sure the Egg Wizard is explicitly more powerful than the Chaos and Sol Emeralds.

 

[Wokistan]

I think part of Solaris's thing is that it has magic/whatever attacks that are confirmed 2-C and can also do stuff like physically whack the superforms and damage them. Physical stats scale to durability by default, unless the specific example expressly doesn't treat it this way, or the character actually does hurt itself from using that much force.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

The Egg Wizard was defeated by Super Sonic and co. so they should still scale.

But yeah, the same 2-C energy that energizes the Egg Wizard's AP can be interchangeably applied to its dura as the Jeweled Scepter gave a general boost in physical stats.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

@Ever

Was it? It still lost to Sonic and Blaze in their super forms, iirc.

 

[The_Everlasting]

@Azzy

Explicitly as in it's stated to be, not that it's demonstrated to be.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

@Ever

...Yeah that sounds about right in terms of modern Sonic statements.

 

[The_Everlasting]

@Ever
...Yeah that sounds about right in terms of modern Sonic statements.

I wanna hear what you mean by this because it sounds hilarious.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

It's really just a lot of minor stuff.

Like in Sonic Unleashed when Eggman built the Egg Dragoon and was like, "This robot is powered by Dark Gaia! Now you're ******, Sanic!"

And then Sonic beat him.

And then Dark Gaia slapped him away even harder.

The robot could have been powered by skim milk and it really wouldn't have made a difference. Eggman just kinda threw that part in there to make it sound more intimidating.

 

[Phoenix821]

Maybe Eggman should of used Flex tape that would of kept it together.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

>Seeking Logic

>In Sonic, the series where the tectonic structure of the continents reality-warps itself every few games, and the moon's been blown up twice.

 

[Wokistan]

For a man with an alleged doctorate and IQ of 300+, Eggman isn't that smart

 

[The_Everlasting]

>Seeking Logic
>In Sonic, the series where the tectonic structure of the continents reality-warps itself every few games, and the moon's been blown up twice.

Go home Dark Gaia, you're drunk

 

[The_Everlasting]

In all seriousness, I really feel like the Super Forms being variable is just an attempt to excuse outliers.

 

[Wokistan]

There's more tier 2 feats than 4-A feats though. Honestly its probably because it makes less sense for tier 2 everyone, but its not especially inconsistent for super forms especially since super forms haven't ever lost excluding when Eggman tricked sonic into letting his guard down to have the emeralds stolen.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

@Wok

I think there's like...two 4-A feats, one of which is from Sonic Battle and belongs to Eggman's tech with zero emeralds, which in itself is weird and kinda contradictory to pretty much every other portrayal of Eggman's unamped tech.

Super Forms are weird in that they're almost always Tier 5 or Tier 2, because sega really can't seem to decide.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Even the Tier 5 stuff is like

Eggman splitting the planet into seven with one Emerald.

 

[Wokistan]

"Planet, universe, basically the same thing anyways, not like anyone cares about semantics like that"-Sega

 

[CrimsonStarFallen]

Sonic is such a damn mess in consistency.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

@Azzy, I think you spelled one wrong. It's spelled one, not two. ovo

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

For once in his life Cal is correct. I forgot this bitch was High 4-C. Unless there's another 4-A feat I'm forgetting.

 

[The_Everlasting]

Legit the feats for Super Forms are either 5-A, 4-A, Low 2-C or 2-C, with nothing in-between.

 

[CrimsonStarFallen]

I forgot this bitch was High 4-C.

Whomst'd've is that?

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

• Tier 5 shizz: The Eclipse Cannon destroying part of the moon and threatening to destroy Earth, Dark Gaia's feats, one Chaos Emerald shattering the planet into seven pieces, the Finalhazard threatening to crash into Earth and smash it apart

• Tier 4 shizz: The Final Egg Blaster, the Eclipse Canno able to said to be able to destroy stars

• Tier 2 shizz: The Egg Wizard, Solaris, the Time Eater, the Egg Salamander, and the Sol Emeralds threatening to destroy two universes

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Whomst'd've is that?

Final boss from Sonic and the Black Knight.

 

[CrimsonStarFallen]

I just realized i never watched Sonic and the black knight to the end. Wow.

Also, nice meme

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

If we are doing Variable should be Variable from 5-A to 2-C and not 4-A to 2-C.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

If we are doing Variable should be Variable from 5-A to 2-C and not 4-A to 2-C.

Honestly? Yeah. Cutting out the multiple 5-A enemies fought by Super Sonic entirely is kinda weird.