Popeye: Low 2-C Downgrade

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Some months ago @Flashlight237 made a thread to downgrade Popeye's Low 2-C key on his base, since it stopped getting attention, i will try to remake it

What's the Problem?
The current reasoning for Low 2-C is based on The Animator having R>F Transcendence over Popeye's world and Popeye being strong enough to knock him out with a rock, as pointed out by his profile and the upgrade thread

Quoting the Tiering System's FAQ regarding Qualitative Superiority and Reality-Fiction Transcendence:

Q: Are there any disqualifiers for qualitative superiority?​

A: The potential disqualifiers largely revolve around the aforementioned aspect of inaccessibility: A qualitative superiority is completely irreducible to anything lesser than itself, and conversely, it cannot be reached by any additive process whatsoever.

The first practical effect of this fact is that the power of a 1-A character cannot be dispersed so much that it reaches into a lower tier. Since there is no conceivable extension of any lower tier that can yield equality to a 1-A structure, neither can there be any subdivision (Even an infinite subdivision) of 1-A that reduces down into such tiers. Unless, of course, this division is somehow non-quantitative in nature (i.e. The results of the division are not actually numerical "chunks" of the character's power); however, this should be made reasonably clear by statements or through background context.

Secondly, a 1-A level cannot be attained by a process in which the lower level quantitatively "adds up" to itself to break through into the higher one, due to the total lack of structural continuity between the two; the higher level cannot be attained, nor expressed by, any expansions of the lower one, and therefore things from the latter cannot interfere with the former by means of their own lower existences. Put simply: A non-1-A cannot reach the level of 1-A by appealing to another non-1-A
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Popeye breaks the above rules pretty hard, since he can attack The Animator and even interacts with the former's plane of existence without any kind of external help

It should be noted, though, that the upgrade thread was made before the R>F Standards changed

Note: While i'm proposing the "Low 2-C via Toon Force" rating to be removed, the Low 2-C rating for him with spinach should be fine to stay given it's based on Popeye literally tearing reality apart with his punches. We currently use a GIF with bad quality for this feat, here's an actual video for it, coming from the short "Goonland"

So yeah, simple as that.

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Agree: @DarkDragonMedeus @DimeUhDozen @Bernkastelll @Dark_Soul20189 @SJG13673 @Phoenks @ActuallySpaceMan42 @Tonygameman @LuffyRuffy46307

Disagree:

Neutral:

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Looks simple enough, I agree

 

[DimeUhDozen]

Yeah, I agree.

 

[Bernkastelll]

I agree

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

I agree

 

[SJG13673]

Self-Sustenance also gotta be replaced with Space Survival and resistance to Existence Erasure moved in Spinach key, since he said in the scan that he ate spinach.

Agree btw

 

[Phoenks]

Agree, but he is still Saitama's victim.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

resistance to Existence Erasure moved in Spinach key, since he said in the scan that he ate spinach.

Read this thread:

Thread 'Little Popeye Downgrade'

May 9, 2024

Popeye has this in his Key "Without Spinach"

• Resistance to Existence Erasure (Was unaffected by his entire universe being erased from existence)

"I eats me spinach"

He resisted because he ate the spinach, so the resistance should be moved to the other key

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I don't plan on touching on abilities per now, the entire profile deserves a clean-up on that part tbh

Agree, but he is still Saitama's victim.

Try to get him a good Season 3 first before messing with the OG Bald man

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Agree

 

[Flashlight237]

Agree. In all honesty, this doesn't seem too different from my downgrade proposal; just that our reasonings were different.

 

[Tonygameman]

Clear to agree with.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

I agree

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

2 Staff already approved this revision, so i'm gonna apply it

Just a side note, on the original upgrade thread it was said that the writers very likely didn't know what terms like "4D" and such meant while writing the Popeye stories

Well:

 

[Livinmeme]

2 Staff already approved this revision, so i'm gonna apply it

Just a side note, on the original upgrade thread it was said that the writers very likely didn't know what terms like "4D" and such meant while writing the Popeye stories

Well:

D-Doesn't that retroactively make popeye 9-D feat valid?

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

D-Doesn't that retroactively make popeye 9-D feat valid?

Maybe