Pokémon Physiology: The Finalist's Finalest Final Reckoning

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Several years ago, I set out to make a Powers and Abilities profile meant to define the very physiology of what it means to be a Pokémon. I eventually got far enough that I was descending on my final draft of the project.

We were several threads in on revisions, which alone took months, then came the threads meant to hopefully get it approved... needless to say, my patience was out the window, and I just couldn't wait any longer to get this done. After doing something on this site I'm not proud of, and losing friends in the process, I spent a long time away to gather my thoughts.

Now that I'm back to this site full time, I decided, "What the heck, why not finish it." I actually got some more major revisions in, updated it with better scans, I even found some brand new abilities to add to the rest.

It's so complete now that I've decided it's worthy for the staff to take a look at it. I'm super proud of how it turned out, and I hope every single one of you finds it bare minimum to be a good read. Let's get this approved... I hope.

The profile

 

[Antvasima]

@Starter_Pack @SamanPatou @GyroNutz @LordTracer @Elizhaa @Colonel_Krukov @Firestorm808 @Everything12 @FinePoint

What do you thInk about this?

 

[PlozAlcachaz]

This thread will most likely need to be put on hold. While your work is admirable on this topic, a lot of it draws upon the different continuities of the franchise. There is an ongoing thread that is attempting to undo the split at this moment. Some things may be inapplicable to other continuities unless that thread is passed with an affirmative majority.

 

[Bobsican]

Knowledgeable member on the verse and in verse-specific P&A standards here, let's see... (assuming that nearly everything goes back to being canonically usable)

- Superhuman Physical Characteristics: You're using the first stage of a pseudo-legendary line as an example for this with no statemetns to properly generalize this to all species, I would recommend to at least use other examples from less notable, and preferably wild, Pokémon species for something like this.

- Statistics Amplification: I'd avoid using the second scan as it's from an ad, thus being dubious at best, I'd recommend to clarify that this is merely on combined attacks rather than a proper stat amp like when two Pokémon with the Plus ability team up, I'd also remove the human bit as that's way too specific and not really part of the physiology of Pokémon in general (in fact very few characters in the series fall there).

- Pressure Points: Would also note that Critical Hits also ignore defensive Statistics Amplification and Forcefield Creation (Reflect, Light Screen, Aurora Veil) from the target.

- Adaptation: Should note that the regional variant stuff is not combat applicable as this is divergent evolution, meaning that while a species eventually adapts to an enviroment, it does not do so as an individual, but rather each generation of descendants eventually changes according to the area, also Pokémon merely eating human food with no statements leaning to this being an adaptational trait leans to that not being some proof to feature, the rest is fine.

- Accelerated Development: Wouldn't recommend to mention that them eating food grants them Exp, as Exp in itself is a game mechanic, at least please justify it further to not fall as such. The book stuff is in an ad, I wouldn't recommend using it as ads tend to disregard canon for the sake of promoting something, and the second ad is talking to the reader in a blatantly figurative sense by nature, so that's rather unvalid as well, the rest is fine.

- Rage Power: For one, Shuffle isn't canon, secondly the other scan does not actually confirm (with some statement, as otherwise this is speculation) that emotions in particular made Pikachu stronger.

- Toon Force: Quite sure that if they just elastically compress, they don't have any injuries to regenerate in the first place (thus saying "regenerate" is inappropiate), especially as they don't restore health by turning back to normal stricly speaking.

- Regeneration: The second scan should note that this is not combat applicable as this basically requires outside assistance by definition, let alone the timeframe, also I'd think restoring back from a skeleton is High-Mid, not Mid-High, also unsure on if the Mystery Dungeon scan is a game mechanic, is this consistent behavior in other MD games or so?

- Non-Physical Interaction: IIRC we currently don't think that Ghost-types are normally intangible to anything but Normal- and Fighting-type moves to begin with? Otherwise this'd be fine.

- Self-Sealing: Should also include Size Manipulation as IIRC Legends Arceus confirms that they actually shrink to enter Poke Balls and similar.

- Resistance to Acid Manipulation: Patent game mechanics, would prefer a non-game scan for claims of this sort.

- Resistance to Absolute Zero: Should note that they still faint normally, so it's not a full resist, nor a practical one.

- Resistance to Fragrance Manipulation: Would remove the Poison Gas bit as that's not how the move works for these purposes, it only inflicts a status condition (poisoning), and in fact it affects all species not resistant to poisoning normally.

- Resistance to Biological Manipulation: Unsure if there being no negative biological downsides to incest qualify as that.

- Resistance to Sealing: Would recommend to bring scans for the while frozen in ice or sleeping bits, normally I would think these are game mechanics, but I'm sure the chances for catching do account specifically for each status effect, so this should be fine.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

- Superhuman Physical Characteristics: You're using the first stage of a pseudo-legendary line as an example for this with no statemetns to properly generalize this to all species, I would recommend to at least use other examples from less notable, and preferably wild, Pokémon species for something like this.

It being a first stage Pokemon… is exactly why I’m using it. Also Gible is garbage in every format except Little Cup, and that’s because of the Eviolite.

- Statistics Amplification: I'd avoid using the second scan as it's from an ad, thus being dubious at best, I'd recommend to clarify that this is merely on combined attacks rather than a proper stat amp like when two Pokémon with the Plus ability team up, I'd also remove the human bit as that's way too specific and not really part of the physiology of Pokémon in general (in fact very few characters in the series fall there).

It being an ad doesn’t make everyone’s statements untrue. I didn’t say that because it isn’t necessarily true; it would be more accurate to say it affects their attack power.

- Pressure Points: Would also note that Critical Hits also ignore defensive Statistics Amplification and Forcefield Creation (Reflect, Light Screen, Aurora Veil) from the target.

It does? How?

- Adaptation: Should note that the regional variant stuff is not combat applicable as this is divergent evolution, meaning that while a species eventually adapts to an enviroment, it does not do so as an individual, but rather each generation of descendants eventually changes according to the area, also Pokémon merely eating human food with no statements leaning to this being an adaptational trait leans to that not being some proof to feature, the rest is fine.

I actually made sure of this, there is no evidence that adaptation in Pokémon is generational. In fact there are multiple ways to grab a Pikachu from Kanto or Hoenn and evolve it only for it to be an Alolan Raichu.

- Accelerated Development: Wouldn't recommend to mention that them eating food grants them Exp, as Exp in itself is a game mechanic, at least please justify it further to not fall as such. The book stuff is in an ad, I wouldn't recommend using it as ads tend to disregard canon for the sake of promoting something, and the second ad is talking to the reader in a blatantly figurative sense by nature, so that's rather unvalid as well, the rest is fine.

The EXP system is a game mechanic, but the effect it has on Pokémon (making them stronger) is a very universal concept.

- Rage Power: For one, Shuffle isn't canon, secondly the other scan does not actually confirm (with some statement, as otherwise this is speculation) that emotions in particular made Pikachu stronger.

I mean, if you saw the movie, it’s kind of obvious that emotions made Pikachu stronger. And why would Shuffle not be canon?

- Toon Force: Quite sure that if they just elastically compress, they don't have any injuries to regenerate in the first place (thus saying "regenerate" is inappropiate), especially as they don't restore health by turning back to normal stricly speaking.

By “regenerate” I just mean they snap back into their original shape, shrugging off the pain of being flattened. It can be slightly misleading depending on how you want to take it but I don’t know how It could be worded better.

- Regeneration: The second scan should note that this is not combat applicable as this basically requires outside assistance by definition, let alone the timeframe, also I'd think restoring back from a skeleton is High-Mid, not Mid-High, also unsure on if the Mystery Dungeon scan is a game mechanic, is this consistent behavior in other MD games or so?

It doesn’t necessarily say that they won’t regenerate if they’re not put back. Also I believe there are multiple ways to get trapped in lava in MD games, this one was just the most impressive as he was transmuted into an item first.

- Non-Physical Interaction: IIRC we currently don't think that Ghost-types are normally intangible to anything but Normal- and Fighting-type moves to begin with? Otherwise this'd be fine.

First I’ve heard of that.

- Self-Sealing: Should also include Size Manipulation as IIRC Legends Arceus confirms that they actually shrink to enter Poke Balls and similar.

He did say that, didn’t he? But that wouldn’t really be Sealing.

- Resistance to Acid Manipulation: Patent game mechanics, would prefer a non-game scan for claims of this sort.

We use mechanics like these for Mario and Luigi/Paper Mario games all the time. Besides, Gastro Acid is pretty straightforward, and I could also say Corrosive Gas can melt an entire pair of boots, a whole umbrella, a large gold nugget, or a full chestplate.

- Resistance to Absolute Zero: Should note that they still faint normally, so it's not a full resist, nor a practical one.

I did note that they faint.

- Resistance to Fragrance Manipulation: Would remove the Poison Gas bit as that's not how the move works for these purposes, it only inflicts a status condition (poisoning), and in fact it affects all species not resistant to poisoning normally.

They are affected by the poison part, but not the gas part like humans IRL are.

- Resistance to Biological Manipulation: Unsure if there being no negative biological downsides to incest qualify as that.

One of the reasons the Omnitrix has Biological Manipulation is because it fixed the damage from the Highbreeds’ inbreeding. Humorously, this can be construed to mean humans technically have limited Biological Manipulation via incest.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

This thread will most likely need to be put on hold. While your work is admirable on this topic, a lot of it draws upon the different continuities of the franchise. There is an ongoing thread that is attempting to undo the split at this moment. Some things may be inapplicable to other continuities unless that thread is passed with an affirmative majority.

If the split did happen, it still hasn’t affected any existing profiles, so it would change nothing were it accepted now or later.

 

[Omegabronic]

If the split did happen, it still hasn’t affected any existing profiles, so it would change nothing were it accepted now or later.

Because the thread deciding the new ratings is still ongoing, the split itself was accepted

 

[Arceus0x]

Yeah this doesn't adhere the canon split and has several issues.
Currently there is a thread going on trying to unsplit the canon but it isn't finished yet.

 

[Antvasima]

So what should we currently do here then?

 

[Arceus0x]

So what should we currently do here then?

close it til the other thread is done

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. You can request to re-open this thread in our all-purpose thread afterwards then.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Alright, it's reopened! Now we can talk about posting this again!!!

 

[Antvasima]

I personally do not mind this revision, but am not a good person to ask.

 

[Bobsican]

It being a first stage Pokemon… is exactly why I’m using it. Also Gible is garbage in every format except Little Cup, and that’s because of the Eviolite.

If we go by competitive Gible still manages to be banned from Do Not Use and Sippy Cup, but that's rather irrelevant as in-game stats have no real relevance for indexing out of patent game mechanics, such as Stakataka being among the slowest Pokemon in-game yet lore-wise being MFTL+. At least go with a proper statement, or just use something like Magikarp, Wishiwashi or Goomy as a baseline instead, remember that this stuff shouldn't be dubious so it ages well and requires minimal maintenance in the future.

It being an ad doesn’t make everyone’s statements untrue. I didn’t say that because it isn’t necessarily true; it would be more accurate to say it affects their attack power.

It does make the canonicity/usability of it more dubious, at least it shouldn't be the main reasoning, plus that could also have issues on multipliers relying on combining hits, which is usually a no by default without more specific evidence. This also appears to concede the point regarding Mystery Dungeon, so that should be removed accordingly.

It does? How?

It's consistent behavior in the mainline series, namely since Generation 3.

I actually made sure of this, there is no evidence that adaptation in Pokémon is generational. In fact there are multiple ways to grab a Pikachu from Kanto or Hoenn and evolve it only for it to be an Alolan Raichu.

I meant for species whose entire evolutionary line is separated by a regionalisms, for example a Johtonian Wooper can't evolve into Clodsire, nor can a Paldean Wooper evolve into Quagsire. At the very least such limitations should be brought up. In fact it's possible to, for example, breed a Paldean Tauros outside Paldea and get Kantonian Tauros, for instance.

The EXP system is a game mechanic, but the effect it has on Pokémon (making them stronger) is a very universal concept.

Yeah, I agree on this, but the arguments could be improved on as explained previously.

I mean, if you saw the movie, it’s kind of obvious that emotions made Pikachu stronger. And why would Shuffle not be canon?

Well, then feature the relevant scene that implies so for Pikachu. As for Shuffle, it has no plot and is strictly a casual game, at most what can be used is stuff in the Trozei series as that does have a plot tying to proper Pokemon.

By “regenerate” I just mean they snap back into their original shape, shrugging off the pain of being flattened. It can be slightly misleading depending on how you want to take it but I don’t know how It could be worded better.

Looks like this has been handled by now.

It doesn’t necessarily say that they won’t regenerate if they’re not put back. Also I believe there are multiple ways to get trapped in lava in MD games, this one was just the most impressive as he was transmuted into an item first.

Well, citing one or two more would do the trick here.

First I’ve heard of that.

With the canon split undone this may be up to debate, given that any Ghost-type can bypass walls in Conquest, @ProfessorKukui4Life may know more details on this topic, however.

He did say that, didn’t he? But that wouldn’t really be Sealing.

Then what it'd be? Size Manipulation and limited Flight of sorts?

We use mechanics like these for Mario and Luigi/Paper Mario games all the time. Besides, Gastro Acid is pretty straightforward, and I could also say Corrosive Gas can melt an entire pair of boots, a whole umbrella, a large gold nugget, or a full chestplate.

And Mario keeps getting concerns over P&As, so I wouldn't use that series as a good precedent unless you can cite a recent CRT where that kind of stuff passed. In any case the resistance would have to be tame considering they're still vulnerable by default (leaving types/abilities/items at a side) to stuff like Acid and Acid Spray.

I did note that they faint.

Well then.

They are affected by the poison part, but not the gas part like humans IRL are.

"IRL" doesn't hold up well here, we'd need to see humans in-universe being directly damaged first (not just being poisoned), otherwise this is extrapolating on the potency of something beyond its portrayal.

One of the reasons the Omnitrix has Biological Manipulation is because it fixed the damage from the Highbreeds’ inbreeding. Humorously, this can be construed to mean humans technically have limited Biological Manipulation via incest.

Well then, although "IV breeding" won't really mean much at all for those not into the series, could just bring up Shiny Pokemon instead as a simpler practical and explicitly intended explanation.

Also, it may be ideal to standarize what every single move and ability does, given there's often double standards to how each one is indexed per profile, and that'd help to streamline the process a lot, while also making clearer the capabilities of stuff like Trace, Sketch, Transform/Imposter, Good as Gold, Magic Guard, Magic Bounce, Neutralizing Gas, and Wonder Guard.

 

[Omegabronic]

• Resistance to Precognition: The future in Pokémon is constantly changing based on actions, choices, and efforts, meaning that even if the opponent has precognition, it won’t guarantee a certain outcome

This is not a pokemon ability, but seeminly just how the future works in the Pokemon setting, aka anyone else in another universe where the future doesn't work like that would still be able to precog them if fate/future is set in stone. So this should be removed

• Resistance: Every single type of Pokémon is resistant or immune to at least one type of elemental attack, though this usually means they will also be weak against different types

Stellar Type is not resistant nor immune to any elemental attack, so this should be removed

• Resistance to Fear Manipulation and Disease Manipulation: Multiple Pokémon have seen Mimikyu’s true form without dying of fright or to a fatal disease, both of which happen to, and kill, a normal human if they look

in both cases the Pokemon who saw it were utterly terrified, so Fear manip shouldn't be here

• Resistance to Sense Manipulation: Can casually eat Nomel Berries, which are so sour they can cause a human to be unable to taste anything for 3 days straight

Proof that the pokemon who eats it does not also get 3 days without being able to taste anything? also this would be rather minor imo

• Resistance to Poison Manipulation: Strong poison in a Pokémon's bloodstream is treated as less potent once outside of battle, and poison that would normally knock out a Pokémon mid-fight will instead go away after draining most of their stamina. In newer installments, Pokémon are not affected by poison at all unless in battle
  • Pokémon can easily fight in environments filled with ozone, which is too poisonous for their trainers to do the same

seems more like minor healing since they are still suffering from the poison, they can just cure it after a while if they aren't in a battle. For the Pokemon Adventures scan... first of all it doesn't work, second of all was there a thread about the scalling thread that changed the fact that was agreed that no scalling between continuities would happen still since alternate universes? if there was could you link it?

• Resistance to Ice Manipulation: It's hard to freeze a Pokémon, and it is impossible to do so under harsh sunlight

should be minor as they can still get frozen, it is a known stat condition

• Resistance to Transmutation: Pokémon can come back from being transformed into an item

Same question for the Pokemon Adventures manga one here

• Resistance to Biological Manipulation: All Pokémon are immune to the negative effects of inbreeding, regardless of how much a trainer inbreeds them (This is a standard step in IV breeding)

Pretty sure we can't use irl concepts such as IV breeding as actual reasonings, otherwise i guess it is ok? dunno if it should be minor or not

• Resistance to Information Analysis: Pokémon cannot be measured with machine analysis and cannot be expressed with numbers

I mean... for him to know this machine worked then it must have worked when he analysed other Pokemon, the fact that he mentions the trainer himself as another thing that couldn't be measured, plus the "power" he is talking about here, which seeminly implies it cause of the trainer + pokemon combo, makes me believe this isn't completely a pokemon ability they have on their own but a thing of the bond between human and pokemon, as such shouldn't be on the physiology page as it would be a phenomena that Pokemon can't create on their own. I might be missing context tho

• Resistance to Sealing: Catching a Pokémon is never a sure thing, and they can escape from being caught even while asleep, frozen solid in a block of ice, rendered immobile, nearly unconscious, or a number of these put together; and once caught they can still leave their Poké Ball whenever they want

How do we know this is a feat of the pokemon and not just the pokeballs being flawless by nature?

• Powerful enough Pokémon cannot be caught at all unless the opposing Trainer is a skilled battler
• Scan of this?
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• Once caught, Pokémon can never be caught again by an outside source unless released

Same question for the Pokemon Adventures scans here, also this is dependent on the Pokeballs, not on the pokemon themselves. Should be removed

• Superhuman Physical Characteristics: Pokémon are generally much stronger than any human

Same question for using another continuity here, altho this prob can be substituted for any of the other bajilion statements about pokemon being >> Humans, Legends Arceus has them the most iirc

• Statistics Amplification: When Pokémon team up, their power is multiplied
• The TCG is canon? since when? and... why? regarldless, for both of those, i ask the same i did for the Pokemon Adventures scans
  • It is somewhat implied that if a human has been transformed into a Pokémon, they will be stronger than an ordinary member of that species
• This doesn't apply to normal pokemon at all, so this shouldn't be here
  • Fusionism for their attacks: When teamed up Pokémon use even slightly similar attacks, they will fuse together into a single attack

Same questions i had for the Pokemon Adventure manga scans

• Pressure Points: The original Japanese text refers to scoring a critical hit as hitting the opponents' pressure points

if Critical hits are pressure point strikes, then their addition in the Damage boost section should be removed, as the reason for the extra damage would be the pressure point being hit

• Pokémon can get people excited just by using their moves

isn't this true for any animal doing any tricks at all? even irl?

• Adaptation: Pokémon can adapt over time to live in different environments, even without evolving
• How long does this take? irl creatures can do this as well if given enough time for natural evolution to take place
  • While it takes ordinary terrestrial creatures millions of years to evolve into different forms, Pokémon can evolve radically in a very short time span via their equivalent of growing up
• Same question for the Pokemon Adventures manga scans
  • Pokémon can eat anything humans can

What does this prove exactly? Why wouldn't they be able to eat human food?

• People who train Pokémon will also get smarter and more skilled with every book they read, and become a stronger trainer as well

ok, outside of the same question as the Pokemon Adventure Manga scans, why would the add of the dub of the anime even be usable? Also... yeah, when you read books you usually learn stuff... why would this give AD? also seriously since when is the TCG canon?

• Rage Power: Pokémon get stronger when they are angry
• Same question as always for other continuities for the first scan... but for the second... what is "stage level"?
  • which will make them harder to reach emotionally

Same question as always for the scans of other continuities

• Magic: Pokémons' tears are filled with magic that no evil can stop

Same question about using other continuities' scans

• Non-Physical Interaction: All Pokémon can affect ghosts with a vast majority of their attacks

Same question as always for other continuities being used

• Minor Fate Manipulation: The greatest thing that affects the course of the future, literally, is bonds between Pokemon and between humans

Aka something Pokemon on their own do not have and that isn't inherent to them, but to the bond they may or may not have with humans... so shouldn't be here tbh

• Automatic Translation: Each species of Pokémon speaks their own language and they can all understand one another, which also extends to human languages
• Is this... book even canon to begin with?
  • In turn, Trainers who have bonded with a Pokémon can sense what their Pokémon are saying, and possibly even hear them as though they're speaking English

hum... this is a good feat for humans sure... not for the pokemon tho, i really don't know why it is here

• Pokémon who can Mega Evolve, or evolve into a Pokémon who can Mega Evolve, will sense their Mega Stone if it’s nearby and stop what they’re doing to seek it out

Same question for using other continuities scans here

• Self-Size Manipulation: Poké Balls do not actually shrink Pokémon; Pokémon can shrink themselves to a tiny size to heal from injuries

Need scans

• Limited Self-Sealing: Pokémon can re-enter their Poké Balls whenever they want

How to know this isn't a mechanism of the Pokeball and not the Pokemon?

• Minor Self-Resurrection and self-Empathic Manipulation: As long as a Pokémon wants to live, even just a little, it will regenerate its life force over time, which is the will to live

Same question as always for other continuities being used

btw if there is a thread that made it so that other continuities could be cross scaled to the games again and i didn't knew, just tell me and ignore all the times i asked about it here

 

[Bobsican]

btw if there is a thread that made it so that other continuities could be cross scaled to the games again and i didn't knew, just tell me and ignore all the times i asked about it here

Here

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

If we go by competitive Gible still manages to be banned from Do Not Use and Sippy Cup, but that's rather irrelevant as in-game stats have no real relevance for indexing out of patent game mechanics, such as Stakataka being among the slowest Pokemon in-game yet lore-wise being MFTL+. At least go with a proper statement, or just use something like Magikarp, Wishiwashi or Goomy as a baseline instead, remember that this stuff shouldn't be dubious so it ages well and requires minimal maintenance in the future.

Huh. I was not aware of those formats. If I find a significant feat from a weaker species, I'll add it.

It does make the canonicity/usability of it more dubious, at least it shouldn't be the main reasoning, plus that could also have issues on multipliers relying on combining hits, which is usually a no by default without more specific evidence. This also appears to concede the point regarding Mystery Dungeon, so that should be removed accordingly.

Oh, then yeah, there should be a clarification that it is for their attack power.

It's consistent behavior in the mainline series, namely since Generation 3.

Huh. I didn't know that. I don't think there would be a way to get a scan of it, though.

I meant for species whose entire evolutionary line is separated by a regionalisms, for example a Johtonian Wooper can't evolve into Clodsire, nor can a Paldean Wooper evolve into Quagsire. At the very least such limitations should be brought up. In fact it's possible to, for example, breed a Paldean Tauros outside Paldea and get Kantonian Tauros, for instance.

Oh, I see the confusion. The reason for the adaptation has to be present for the adaptation to take place. For example the Pikachu would have to be in Alola to become an Alolan Raichu.

Yeah, I agree on this, but the arguments could be improved on as explained previously.

Alright, I think I fixed it.

Well, then feature the relevant scene that implies so for Pikachu. As for Shuffle, it has no plot and is strictly a casual game, at most what can be used is stuff in the Trozei series as that does have a plot tying to proper Pokemon.

That IS the scene that implies so. That is true about Pokemon Shuffle, but it's one of the most straightforward examples of them having Rage Power.

With the canon split undone this may be up to debate, given that any Ghost-type can bypass walls in Conquest, @ProfessorKukui4Life may know more details on this topic, however.

There's a lot more examples than Conquest.

Then what it'd be? Size Manipulation and limited Flight of sorts?

Self-Size Manipulation, which I did update the profile with.

And Mario keeps getting concerns over P&As, so I wouldn't use that series as a good precedent unless you can cite a recent CRT where that kind of stuff passed. In any case the resistance would have to be tame considering they're still vulnerable by default (leaving types/abilities/items at a side) to stuff like Acid and Acid Spray.

Remember, Resistance doesn't mean they don't take damage from a source; it means they take less damage than they should.

"IRL" doesn't hold up well here, we'd need to see humans in-universe being directly damaged first (not just being poisoned), otherwise this is extrapolating on the potency of something beyond its portrayal.

So you don't like the Poison Gas example?

Well then, although "IV breeding" won't really mean much at all for those not into the series, could just bring up Shiny Pokemon instead as a simpler practical and explicitly intended explanation.

Why would Shiny Pokemon be better?

Also, it may be ideal to standarize what every single move and ability does, given there's often double standards to how each one is indexed per profile, and that'd help to streamline the process a lot, while also making clearer the capabilities of stuff like Trace, Sketch, Transform/Imposter, Good as Gold, Magic Guard, Magic Bounce, Neutralizing Gas, and Wonder Guard.

I don't know how that would make sense to add on a physiology page.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

• Resistance to Precognition: The future in Pokémon is constantly changing based on actions, choices, and efforts, meaning that even if the opponent has precognition, it won’t guarantee a certain outcome

This is not a pokemon ability, but seeminly just how the future works in the Pokemon setting, aka anyone else in another universe where the future doesn't work like that would still be able to precog them if fate/future is set in stone. So this should be removed

It's still something they get as a Pokemon.

• Resistance: Every single type of Pokémon is resistant or immune to at least one type of elemental attack, though this usually means they will also be weak against different types

Stellar Type is not resistant nor immune to any elemental attack, so this should be removed

Stellar isn't natural to Pokemon, they can only become it via outside help.

• Resistance to Fear Manipulation and Disease Manipulation: Multiple Pokémon have seen Mimikyu’s true form without dying of fright or to a fatal disease, both of which happen to, and kill, a normal human if they look

in both cases the Pokemon who saw it were utterly terrified, so Fear manip shouldn't be here

Resistance doesn't mean they don't take damage from a source; it means they take less damage than they should.

• Resistance to Sense Manipulation: Can casually eat Nomel Berries, which are so sour they can cause a human to be unable to taste anything for 3 days straight

Proof that the pokemon who eats it does not also get 3 days without being able to taste anything? also this would be rather minor imo

They can still taste Poffins, PokeBlocks, etc like they normally do even after eating a Nomel Berry.

• Resistance to Poison Manipulation: Strong poison in a Pokémon's bloodstream is treated as less potent once outside of battle, and poison that would normally knock out a Pokémon mid-fight will instead go away after draining most of their stamina. In newer installments, Pokémon are not affected by poison at all unless in battle
  • Pokémon can easily fight in environments filled with ozone, which is too poisonous for their trainers to do the same

seems more like minor healing since they are still suffering from the poison, they can just cure it after a while if they aren't in a battle. For the Pokemon Adventures scan... first of all it doesn't work, second of all was there a thread about the scalling thread that changed the fact that was agreed that no scalling between continuities would happen still since alternate universes? if there was could you link it?

They didn't cure the poison, it just fizzled out in their bloodstream. Bobsican just linked it. Cross-scaling is allowed now.

• Resistance to Ice Manipulation: It's hard to freeze a Pokémon, and it is impossible to do so under harsh sunlight

should be minor as they can still get frozen, it is a known stat condition

Well, if they were physically incapable of being frozen, it would be an immunity, not a resistance.

• Resistance to Biological Manipulation: All Pokémon are immune to the negative effects of inbreeding, regardless of how much a trainer inbreeds them (This is a standard step in IV breeding)

Pretty sure we can't use irl concepts such as IV breeding as actual reasonings, otherwise i guess it is ok? dunno if it should be minor or not

The process doesn't have a unique name ingame, but everyone knows it as IV breeding.

• Resistance to Information Analysis: Pokémon cannot be measured with machine analysis and cannot be expressed with numbers

I mean... for him to know this machine worked then it must have worked when he analysed other Pokemon, the fact that he mentions the trainer himself as another thing that couldn't be measured, plus the "power" he is talking about here, which seeminly implies it cause of the trainer + pokemon combo, makes me believe this isn't completely a pokemon ability they have on their own but a thing of the bond between human and pokemon, as such shouldn't be on the physiology page as it would be a phenomena that Pokemon can't create on their own. I might be missing context tho

It never says a human needs to be involved; the last scans also doesn't seem to mention a human.

• Resistance to Sealing: Catching a Pokémon is never a sure thing, and they can escape from being caught even while asleep, frozen solid in a block of ice, rendered immobile, nearly unconscious, or a number of these put together; and once caught they can still leave their Poké Ball whenever they want

How do we know this is a feat of the pokemon and not just the pokeballs being flawless by nature?

Poke Balls have never failed against something other than a Pokemon, iirc. Also escaping from Sealing while frozen in a block of ice wouldn't make sense for 99% of fiction.

• Powerful enough Pokémon cannot be caught at all unless the opposing Trainer is a skilled battler
• Scan of this?
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• Once caught, Pokémon can never be caught again by an outside source unless released

Same question for the Pokemon Adventures scans here, also this is dependent on the Pokeballs, not on the pokemon themselves. Should be removed

Only Pokemon are affected this way.

• Statistics Amplification: When Pokémon team up, their power is multiplied
• The TCG is canon? since when? and... why? regarldless, for both of those, i ask the same i did for the Pokemon Adventures scans

I mean, the statement's pretty cut and dry.

• It is somewhat implied that if a human has been transformed into a Pokémon, they will be stronger than an ordinary member of that species
• This doesn't apply to normal pokemon at all, so this shouldn't be here

The human still exists as a Pokemon.

• Pressure Points: The original Japanese text refers to scoring a critical hit as hitting the opponents' pressure points

if Critical hits are pressure point strikes, then their addition in the Damage boost section should be removed, as the reason for the extra damage would be the pressure point being hit

But critical hits do boost damage.

• Pokémon can get people excited just by using their moves

isn't this true for any animal doing any tricks at all? even irl?

Social Influencing exists IRL too.

• Adaptation: Pokémon can adapt over time to live in different environments, even without evolving
• How long does this take? irl creatures can do this as well if given enough time for natural evolution to take place
  • While it takes ordinary terrestrial creatures millions of years to evolve into different forms, Pokémon can evolve radically in a very short time span via their equivalent of growing up
• Same question for the Pokemon Adventures manga scans
  • Pokémon can eat anything humans can

What does this prove exactly? Why wouldn't they be able to eat human food?

You kinda answered your own question with the first part, and that's The Electric Tale of Pikachu.

Animals being able to eat food meant for humans is considered Adaptation on this site.

• People who train Pokémon will also get smarter and more skilled with every book they read, and become a stronger trainer as well

ok, outside of the same question as the Pokemon Adventure Manga scans, why would the add of the dub of the anime even be usable? Also... yeah, when you read books you usually learn stuff... why would this give AD? also seriously since when is the TCG canon?

You might learn, but it wouldn't make you stronger.

• Rage Power: Pokémon get stronger when they are angry
• Same question as always for other continuities for the first scan... but for the second... what is "stage level"?

It means the boss gets harder.

• Minor Fate Manipulation: The greatest thing that affects the course of the future, literally, is bonds between Pokemon and between humans

Aka something Pokemon on their own do not have and that isn't inherent to them, but to the bond they may or may not have with humans... so shouldn't be here tbh

Pokemon should still get it via following their own verse's rules.

• Automatic Translation: Each species of Pokémon speaks their own language and they can all understand one another, which also extends to human languages
• Is this... book even canon to begin with?

Yes, it's part of the anime timeline.

• In turn, Trainers who have bonded with a Pokémon can sense what their Pokémon are saying, and possibly even hear them as though they're speaking English

hum... this is a good feat for humans sure... not for the pokemon tho, i really don't know why it is here

Because they affect humans this way by existing.

• Self-Size Manipulation: Poké Balls do not actually shrink Pokémon; Pokémon can shrink themselves to a tiny size to heal from injuries

Need scans

Fixed that!

• Limited Self-Sealing: Pokémon can re-enter their Poké Balls whenever they want

How to know this isn't a mechanism of the Pokeball and not the Pokemon?

Because you have to touch the Poke Ball for the Poke Ball to do what you want.

 

[Omegabronic]

It's still something they get as a Pokemon.

Not it isn't as it isn't a resistance to begin with, it is simply how the future and fate works in the Pokemon Timeline/world

This would apply to absolutely everyone inside said world, not being the same outside of said world

Stellar isn't natural to Pokemon, they can only become it via outside help.

Your point being?

Resistance doesn't mean they don't take damage from a source; it means they take less damage than they should.

"Damage"? Regardless, thing is that they still get scared, a lot, so fear manip would still work on them

They can still taste Poffins, PokeBlocks, etc like they normally do even after eating a Nomel Berry.

and what is the proof that their sense of taste still remains?

Also please scans of them eating them, that is always nescesary

They didn't cure the poison, it just fizzled out in their bloodstream.

Aka they cured it and it isn't in their blood anymore

Well, if they were physically incapable of being frozen, it would be an immunity, not a resistance.

Nope as that is entirely dependend on the temperature

The process doesn't have a unique name ingame, but everyone knows it as IV breeding.

breeding... that is the name

It never says a human needs to be involved; the last scans also doesn't seem to mention a human.

You ignored the part where i pointed out that the machine must have worked before for him to know it works in the first place

Regardless, yes it does, as the dude mentions that he can't use the machine on the Human and Pokemon, since the whole point is a power he couldn't analyse, and tge fact that he must have tested and used the machine in the past, would likely means it works on Pokemon but not on the power between human and pokemon, as the Human there, as a factor mentioned by him

Poke Balls have never failed against something other than a Pokemon, iirc.

Scans, also not true, Humans are immune

Also escaping from Sealing while frozen in a block of ice wouldn't make sense for 99% of fiction.

why not? Again, why can't this be due to the Pokeball being incapable of 100% catches?

Only Pokemon are affected this way.

SCans please

I mean, the statement's pretty cut and dry.

... this doesn't answer what i asked

The human still exists as a Pokemon.

Irrelevant, normal pokemon still do not have this

But critical hits do boost damage.

they deal more damage for hitting pressure points, not for being more powerful

Social Influencing exists IRL too.

Ok

You kinda answered your own question with the first part,

If it take millions of years than it isn't adaptation, it is normal evolution as we know it

Animals being able to eat food meant for humans is considered Adaptation on this site.

Pokemon are mystical creatures, there is no precedent that they shouldn't be able to eat Human food to begin with

You might learn, but it wouldn't make you stronger.

you ignored my question about the dub to be canon. outside of this being an effect on human and not on the pokemon

It means the boss gets harder.

in what way?

Pokemon should still get it via following their own verse's rules.

No as they wouldn't follow these rules of they weren't in their verse's setting, as it isn't a power they have, it is simply how their world functions in regarda to the future, so it wouldn't translate to them if they were in a world where the future is set in stone

Yes, it's part of the anime timeline.

Ok

Because they affect humans this way by existing.

... and this isn't power bestowal instead of a super natural sense of the pokemon because? They aren't the ones with such senses

Fixed that!

ok

Because you have to touch the Poke Ball for the Poke Ball to do what you want.

Scans

 

[GlaceonGamez471]

• Resistance: Every single type of Pokémon is resistant or immune to at least one type of elemental attack, though this usually means they will also be weak against different types

Stellar Type is not resistant nor immune to any elemental attack, so this should be removed

The only way a Pokémon can be Stellar type still leaves them with their base type matchups, as Stellar Tera doesn't change a Pokémon's defensive type matchups (Bar Stellar moves bonking Terastallized mons in general for super effective).
Meaning that, as far as is currently known, a Pokémon's typing will always have a resistance of some kind. Until this fact changes, I think this bit is fine

in what way?

They get more health and their "disruptions" (how they attack in this game) can improve in some way. This is from Pokémon Shuffle's Escalation Battles. You can see how they change for each Pokemon through here (bulbapedia doesn't seem to have pattern stuff for these battles documented, at a quick glance)

Edit: did not notice this was under staff discussion, my b

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Not it isn't as it isn't a resistance to begin with, it is simply how the future and fate works in the Pokemon Timeline/world

This would apply to absolutely everyone inside said world, not being the same outside of said world

The world would include them.

Your point being?

...So they're not gonna access it on a physiology page.

"Damage"? Regardless, thing is that they still get scared, a lot, so fear manip would still work on them

Oh, I see the confusion. Essentially because they "resist" it, it effects them less than it reasonably should, for example while they are still frightened, they don't die of fright like humans do.

and what is the proof that their sense of taste still remains?

Also please scans of them eating them, that is always nescesary

There are flavors that all Pokemon like and dislike (i.e. liking spicy foods), and they will still react positively or negatively to those flavors.

Aka they cured it and it isn't in their blood anymore

That's not how bodies get rid of poison. The blood dilutes it until it's not harmful anymore.

Nope as that is entirely dependend on the temperature

Well yeah, that's typical of fiction. You'd need a colder temperature to freeze someone who's resistant to ice. That doesn't make them un-resistant.

breeding... that is the name

I can't believe I'm typing this, but that terminology doesn't guarantee that incest is taking place.

You ignored the part where i pointed out that the machine must have worked before for him to know it works in the first place

Regardless, yes it does, as the dude mentions that he can't use the machine on the Human and Pokemon, since the whole point is a power he couldn't analyse, and tge fact that he must have tested and used the machine in the past, would likely means it works on Pokemon but not on the power between human and pokemon, as the Human there, as a factor mentioned by him

There are dozens of things that could explain that, like it working on things that aren't Pokemon, or him being absolutely sure the settings were right.

Pasio has no wild Pokemon, he's analyzing trainer battles. He's not saying trainers are in the mix because they matter to what he's studying.

Scans, also not true, Humans are immune

A Poke Ball captured a jelly donut in the Primeape episode.

why not? Again, why can't this be due to the Pokeball being incapable of 100% catches?

Nothing in fiction is considered 100% capable of Sealing no matter what unless they transcend the target.

SCans please

They're the only thing that Poke Balls seem to have this connection to. Other things when caught don't do this. There's a reason this is a bullet point and not one of the main arguments

... this doesn't answer what i asked

Yeah, we consider the TCG to be canon enough to use. It's basically blanket feats for all Pokemon.

Irrelevant, normal pokemon still do not have this

They aren't inherently stronger, but existing as a Pokemon will still cause this if transformed into one.

they deal more damage for hitting pressure points, not for being more powerful

In the Japanese translation only. Not inherently. You can use both.

If it take millions of years than it isn't adaptation, it is normal evolution as we know it

It explicitly doesn't take millions of years, that's why it is adaptation.

Pokemon are mystical creatures, there is no precedent that they shouldn't be able to eat Human food to begin with

Many Pokemon are based on IRL animals. Growlithe are dogs yet they can eat as many chocolate PokePuffs as they want.

you ignored my question about the dub to be canon. outside of this being an effect on human and not on the pokemon

Well, obviously the dub would be canon. Why would "being stronger in battle" not affect Pokemon?

No as they wouldn't follow these rules of they weren't in their verse's setting, as it isn't a power they have, it is simply how their world functions in regarda to the future, so it wouldn't translate to them if they were in a world where the future is set in stone

They are still the ones changing the future based on choices. Also, VSBW uses verse equalization for their VS matches.

... and this isn't power bestowal instead of a super natural sense of the pokemon because? They aren't the ones with such senses

That's why I have it in a bullet point for the first part. Also it's impossible to know if the same would happen the other way around because they would already understand their Trainer.

Scans

For example, many Pokemon who want to be owned will touch the Poke Ball's button to be pulled inside it and caught. To leave or re-enter the ball once caught, they don't have to interact with the ball at all.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Edit: did not notice this was under staff discussion, my b

It's fine! Staff Discussion is just where people usually post Verse-Specific Powers and Abilities for review.

 

[Omegabronic]

The world would include them.

Not how this works, the future works like this in the world of Pokemon, not because of the pokemon, it is just how fate works there, if they are in anothet universe where fate is set in stone then they will be precoged easily enough, as it isn't something inherent to them that is making the future always change

Oh, I see the confusion. Essentially because they "resist" it, it effects them less than it reasonably should, for example while they are still frightened, they don't die of fright like humans do.

so it still affects them, hence it should be minor resistance and not a full one

There are flavors that all Pokemon like and dislike (i.e. liking spicy foods), and they will still react positively or negatively to those flavors.

ok, grab scans and put it there then

That's not how bodies get rid of poison. The blood dilutes it until it's not harmful anymore.

so exactly as i said?

I can't believe I'm typing this, but that terminology doesn't guarantee that incest is taking place.

... so? Inbreeding

There are dozens of things that could explain that, like it working on things that aren't Pokemon, or him being absolutely sure the settings were right.

... that could explain what? The machine as far as the scan shows serves to analyse pokemon exclussively, he even has Pokemon himself, why assume he only tested on random other things and not what he wanted to analyse?

Pasio has no wild Pokemon, he's analyzing trainer battles.

That's my point

He's not saying trainers are in the mix because they matter to what he's studying.

he says that the trainer can't analysed as well, the trainer explain that it is cuz of the power they make between them and pokemon... seems clear to me

A Poke Ball captured a jelly donut in the Primeape episode.

scans are needed

Nothing in fiction is considered 100% capable of Sealing no matter what unless they transcend the target.

not my point, doesn't address it, Pokeball being not 100% means it can be due to the pokeball unless proven otherwise

They're the only thing that Poke Balls seem to have this connection to. Other things when caught don't do this. There's a reason this is a bullet point and not one of the main arguments

still need scans regardless

They aren't inherently stronger, but existing as a Pokemon will still cause this if transformed into one.

... why put a case of a hyper specific thing as a human becoming a pokemon in a general page for standard pokemon?

In the Japanese translation only. Not inherently. You can use both.

japanase takes precedence, so we go by what it says

Many Pokemon are based on IRL animals. Growlithe are dogs yet they can eat as many chocolate PokePuffs as they want.

Based =/= equal

Still mytical creatures, there is nothing that say they should be inherently incapable of eating human food

Well, obviously the dub would be canon.

... "obviously" because? The original language is canon, that is the obvious

Why would "being stronger in battle" not affect Pokemon?

Is it talking about the trainer or the pokemon?

They are still the ones changing the future based on choices.

because of how future works in verse, not cuz of a power they have, it wouldn't in a a neutral universe where the future doesn't work lile that

Also, VSBW uses verse equalization for their VS matches.

Doesn't apply here

That's why I have it in a bullet point for the first part.

... ?

Also it's impossible to know if the same would happen the other way around because they would already understand their Trainer.

So you admit we don't know? Do we have aby evidence that it would apply to that?

For example, many Pokemon who want to be owned will touch the Poke Ball's button to be pulled inside it and caught.
To leave or re-enter the ball once caught, they don't have to interact with the ball at all.

And we know this isn't simply how the pokeball works, allowing the Pokemon to leave if they want, because? If they could unseal themselves at will, they would never bw caught to begin with

 

[PlozAlcachaz]

Would the Shadow Pokémon page be added if this is accepted given you are treating it as a subsection? I made it around 4-5 years ago at this point, but it's nice to see something done with it.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Would the Shadow Pokémon page be added if this is accepted given you are treating it as a subsection? I made it around 4-5 years ago at this point, but it's nice to see something done with it.

Hypothetically, yeah. It just wouldn't be its own profile.

 

[Lou_change]

"Damage Boost: Pokémon's moves are massively superior to their regular physicals, with fully evolved Pokémon's moves (for example Slash) being able to defeat opponents strong enough to rival them in power with only a single attack, receiving no damage at all in return"
It just says rivals not that they rivaled it in power and there's also the fact some moves don't deal damage.

"Adaptation: Pokémon can adapt over time to live indifferent environments, even without evolving"
Exeggutor and Marowak both had to evolve and there are also explanations that are pretty particular to them. Exeggutor is just getting more sunlight which is reaffirmed in pokedexes from Kanto and Galar. Marowak is implied to have gained a sixth sense as a cubone and some pokedex entries imply the cubone's dead mom is involved.
Sun's says, "The bones it possesses were once its mother's. Its mother's regrets have become like a vengeful spirit protecting this Pokémon."

Let's go games say, "It has transformed the spirit of its dear departed mother into flames, and tonight it will once again dance in mourning of others of its kind."

If a third party is involved I don't think we can consider this as representing something all pokemon can do.

Grimer has the most evidence for it being a transform that happens over the course of one lifetime and that has a pokemon made of trash transform because the trash it was eating changed its body composition given they end up producing crystals made of poison as a result of their diet that might be because grimer is a weird exception to the rule.

Galarian slowpoke explicitly took generations.

Galarian corsala all died and came back as ghost. I don't think we consider becoming a ghost after dying adaptation.

"While it takes ordinary terrestrial creatures millions of years to evolve into different forms, Pokémon can evolve radically in a very short time span via their equivalent of growing up"
The first references normal animals which have been reconned from the franchise and we know Pokemon evolution is not as simple as them adapting to their surroundings.

The second is surrounded by members of the treecko the line that proved aging is a separate process

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

We’re never getting this posted, are we

"Damage Boost: Pokémon's moves are massively superior to their regular physicals, with fully evolved Pokémon's moves (for example Slash) being able to defeat opponents strong enough to rival them in power with only a single attack, receiving no damage at all in return"
It just says rivals not that they rivaled it in power and there's also the fact some moves don't deal damage.

That’s the same thing. And obviously boosts to damage won’t apply to attacks that don’t deal damage (Although they all technically damage, since MechaMew2 was able to KO a Venusaur with Poison Powder somefuckinghow by amping the move)

"Adaptation: Pokémon can adapt over time to live indifferent environments, even without evolving"
Exeggutor and Marowak both had to evolve and there are also explanations that are pretty particular to them. Exeggutor is just getting more sunlight which is reaffirmed in pokedexes from Kanto and Galar. Marowak is implied to have gained a sixth sense as a cubone and some pokedex entries imply the cubone's dead mom is involved.
Sun's says, "The bones it possesses were once its mother's. Its mother's regrets have become like a vengeful spirit protecting this Pokémon."

Let's go games say, "It has transformed the spirit of its dear departed mother into flames, and tonight it will once again dance in mourning of others of its kind."

If a third party is involved I don't think we can consider this as representing something all pokemon can do.

Grimer has the most evidence for it being a transform that happens over the course of one lifetime and that has a pokemon made of trash transform because the trash it was eating changed its body composition given they end up producing crystals made of poison as a result of their diet that might be because grimer is a weird exception to the rule.

Galarian slowpoke explicitly took generations.

Cubone isn’t actually the only one to evolutionarily adapt to souls being involved. White-Striped Basculin actually grew timid solely so that the surviving members of their schools would evolve together into Basculegion. Adaptation isn’t exactly a third party thing to begin with, third parties are just a reason to adapt.

Galarian corsala all died and came back as ghost. I don't think we consider becoming a ghost after dying adaptation.

Galarian Corsola didn’t exactly “die”. For example, Primapes who reach the peak of their anger will die, but if they can survive it and move past it they will “partially” die and become Annihilape and become the Ghost type. Galarian Corsola had a similar thing happen but without the anger.

"While it takes ordinary terrestrial creatures millions of years to evolve into different forms, Pokémon can evolve radically in a very short time span via their equivalent of growing up"
The first references normal animals which have been reconned from the franchise and we know Pokemon evolution is not as simple as them adapting to their surroundings.

It can still apply to humans. It is true that they got rid of non-Pokemon animals, but the fanmade notion that everything is now either a human or a Pokemon is a falsehood. For example microbes, germs, and other microscopic organisms still exist, but aren’t Pokemon.

The second is surrounded by members of the treecko the line that proved aging is a separate process

It won’t load, but I know the picture. Getting older and growing up are two different things. “Growing up” means maturing, essentially.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

I also see the other guy replied, I can get to that too.

 

[Lou_change]

That’s the same thing.

No, meowth and pikachu are sometimes considered rivals but pikachu consistently stomps the guy and is clearly stronger.

Cubone isn’t actually the only one to evolutionarily adapt to souls being involved. White-Striped Basculin actually grew timid solely so that the surviving members of their schools would evolve together into Basculegion. Adaptation isn’t exactly a third party thing to begin with, third parties are just a reason to adapt.

I forgot about that but it seems more like the third party was actively contributing to the transformation.

Galarian Corsola didn’t exactly “die”. For example, Primapes who reach the peak of their anger will die, but if they can survive it and move past it they will “partially” die and become Annihilape and become the Ghost type. Galarian Corsola had a similar thing happen but without the anger.

I think we are told they were wiped out.

Pretty everything else is good it's just a few things are more open to interpretation.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

No, meowth and pikachu are sometimes considered rivals but pikachu consistently stomps the guy and is clearly stronger.

Team Rocket's Meowth does, yeah. If both are wild though, the Meowth usually has a better chance. Or there are episodes like A Frenzied Factory Fiasco! where Meowth just fights evenly with post-Mega Lucario Pikachu for some reason.

I forgot about that but it seems more like the third party was actively contributing to the transformation.

That wouldn't mean Pokemon or even Marowak are incapable of adapting, however.

I think we are told they were wiped out.

"Sudden climate change wiped out this ancient kind of Corsola." They weren't regular Corsola that were killed, per se; they were already like that but faced extinction.

 

[Deleted member 40129]

Seems to be controversial. Will look through all the abilities once again.

 

[Lou_change]

That wouldn't mean Pokemon or even Marowak are incapable of adapting, however.

I agree Cubone is implied to have gained a 6th sense, but it seems to me that an outside influence actively helped allow this transformation to even be possible


The Bagon -> Shelgon -> Salamence line is probably a better example

"Sudden climate change wiped out this ancient kind of Corsola." They weren't regular Corsola that were killed, per se; they were already like that but faced extinction.

It refer to them as being wiped out which wouldn't make sense if they were still alive. The Sword and Shield website says "It’s said that this form arose from the Corsola that lived in the sea surrounding the Galar region in the ancient past and that lost their lives due to a meteorite impact in the area. They are often found living in places that were once seabeds, and it’s said that they sometimes attack humans and Pokémon that they come in contact with."
The reason the Pokedex calls them an "ancient kind of Corsola" is because they are the presumably ancient ghosts of ancient Corsola that due to being ghosts are considered their own kind of Corsola.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

I agree Cubone is implied to have gained a 6th sense, but it seems to me that an outside influence actively helped allow this transformation to even be possible


The Bagon -> Shelgon -> Salamence line is probably a better example

I don't see what I'd have to change here.

It refer to them as being wiped out which wouldn't make sense if they were still alive. The Sword and Shield website says "It’s said that this form arose from the Corsola that lived in the sea surrounding the Galar region in the ancient past and that lost their lives due to a meteorite impact in the area. They are often found living in places that were once seabeds, and it’s said that they sometimes attack humans and Pokémon that they come in contact with."
The reason the Pokedex calls them an "ancient kind of Corsola" is because they are the presumably ancient ghosts of ancient Corsola that due to being ghosts are considered their own kind of Corsola.

Oh, so the Pokedex entry is just wrong. Yeah, that makes sense.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Oh, yeah, I should mention that the best way to get this profile eventually made is to mention that, even outside of what you think should be taken out, you agree with it. If people agree with it, the mods might actually, like, care about letting me post it.

 

[Lou_change]

Oh, yeah, I should mention that the best way to get this profile eventually made is to mention that, even outside of what you think should be taken out, you agree with it. If people agree with it, the mods might actually, like, care about letting me post it.

I thought that would be implied. I guess I should say it outright, I agree with most of this.
That said I also just remembered the snag machine exists so I think the sealing resistance might be wrong at the very least the "Once caught, Pokémon can never be caught again by an outside source unless released" part is technically wrong.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

I thought that would be implied. I guess I should say it outright, I agree with most of this.
That said I also just remembered the snag machine exists so I think the sealing resistance might be wrong at the very least the "Once caught, Pokémon can never be caught again by an outside source unless released" part is technically wrong.

Pretty sure those games are noncanon to the rest of the series. Also that's why it's not an immunity.

 

[Lou_change]

Pretty sure those games are noncanon to the rest of the series. Also that's why it's not an immunity.

They don't contradict anything and are official there's little to no reason they wouldn't be canon.

 

[Bobsican]

Colosseum and XD have ties to the core series as they are transfer-compatible to Gen 3, so they'd be usable even before the canon un-split.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Colosseum and XD have ties to the core series as they are transfer-compatible to Gen 3, so they'd be usable even before the canon un-split.

Transferability isn't considered canon till Gen 4; for example FRLG trading with Emerald would be a remake interacting with an original game which wouldn't make sense.

 

[Bobsican]

I mean, chronologically speaking Gen 1 happens at the same time as Gen 3, so that's not an issue in itself, I could also go over the whole multiverse deal allowing cross-universe scaling/relationships of sorts already as settled in the canon un-split thread regardless.