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Pokemon Discussion Thread - Red & Blue arc

Jinx666 said:
Yeah thats for the best and i have 0 regrets. Next time dont use non-canonical scaling disguised as a mainline

Im not finishing any of your profiles
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I figured your rants were coming from a place of hatred for Pokemon. When it comes time to do actual work of course you're conveniently missing every time. It didn't even use Pokemon Masters* scaling, all of it came from PLA.

We're not deleting any profiles, by the way.
 
Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera said:
I figured your rants were coming from a place of hatred for Pokemon. When it comes time to do actual work of course you're conveniently missing every time. It didn't even use Pokemon Masters* scaling, all of it came from PLA.

We're not deleting any profiles, by the way.
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Theres no hatred for Pokemon on my end, and you blaming anyone who disagrees with you for that is hindering.

I've got a life and more important shit to do tbh. This isnt my job and i have no ties to it. I do make Pokemon profiles and i format them the best way i can, even though i heavily disagree with the stats most of the time.

I had nothing to do with your Galaxy team stuff. the Staff decided that independently, i just took issue with Calem and Gloria so you can quit being pissy @ me thanks


Yeah and im not forcing it on anyone, its merely a suggestion. But this verse deff needs to downsize until we can actually figure out how to maintain it.
And either way, you dont solely speak for this verse so dont use 'We' plz
 
Jinx666 said:
Yeah and this is the reason ppl dont take this site seriously sometimes negl. Like i get joke profiles but we deadass scaling a lawnmower to relativistic?
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This is a lawnmower capable of outright killing Pokemon. Ofc it's gonna scale to their reactions. That's like asking if we're actually gonna scale a Terminator to soldier's reaction speeds.
 
Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera said:
It should genuinely just be deleted instead cause that's not even where we have Quest lol
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From what I can tell, there hasn't been any Quest discussion. I made the Mewtwo profile years ago, assuming it couldn't scale to the mainline games due to how different in lore it was. I assume it'd be scaled to the mainline one now though
 
Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera said:
This is a lawnmower capable of outright killing Pokemon. Ofc it's gonna scale to their reactions. That's like asking if we're actually gonna scale a Terminator to soldier's reaction speeds.
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Its not killing anything, and all it dealt with were first stage mons from the anime.
And as we know, Ash's Pikachu is wildly too inconsistent. Like, this is a joke
 
Jinx666 said:
Theres no hatred for Pokemon on my end, and you blaming anyone who disagrees with you for that is hindering.

I've got a life and more important shit to do tbh. This isnt my job and i have no ties to it. I do make Pokemon profiles and i format them the best way i can, even though i heavily disagree with the stats most of the time.

I had nothing to do with your Galaxy team stuff. the Staff decided that independently, i just took issue with Calem and Gloria so you can quit being pissy @ me thanks


Yeah and im not forcing it on anyone, its merely a suggestion. But this verse deff needs to downsize until we can actually figure out how to maintain it.
And either way, you dont solely speak for this verse so dont use 'We' plz
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Complains about profiles until they're taken down

Tries to make plans to delete more just for the hell of it

Refuses to make or help with any profiles involving Pokemon

I sure wonder why we think that. I don't remember saying you did that on purpose, by the way.
 
Lou_change said:
I mean people are working towards a move list and a physiology after that we just find individual showings for Pokemon. After using the physiology and move list to cover pretty much everything else.
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Well lets see how that turns out ig but we should stick to mainline things, hopefully.
 
Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera said:
Complains about profiles until they're taken down

Tries to make plans to delete more just for the hell of it

Refuses to make or help with any profiles involving Pokemon
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A) Its not my fault your profiles were using wrong canon, and i had no say or even talked about your 'Team Galaxy one'

B) I haven't made a plan, i literally just suggested it

C) Ive made loads of Pokemon profiles lmao. Most of the ones you've made are spinoff stuff and lawnmowers
 
Jinx666 said:
A) Its not my fault your profiles were using wrong canon, and i had no say or even talked about your 'Team Galaxy one'

B) I haven't made a plan, i literally just suggested it

C) Ive made loads of Pokemon profiles lmao. Most of the ones you've made are spinoff stuff and lawnmowers
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Ooh, "wrong canon", there's another one.

Yes, you didn't succeed in making the plans.

Yes, like Anime Cynthia which can mostly just be copied from the games page, and... Eelektross. Not the evolutionary line, just Eelektross.
 
Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera said:
Ooh, "wrong canon", there's another one.

Yes, you didn't succeed in making the plans.
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??? I literally brought it up less than an hour ago lmfao
Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera said:
Yes, like Anime Cynthia which can mostly just be copied from the games page, and... Eelektross. Not the evolutionary line, just Eelektross.
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Er no, actually it cant. Anime and Games are completely separate.

Look at both pages and then tell me i copied it lmfao Maybe thats how you do your pages lazily but not me thx

Yeah, evolution line is unnecessary, its literally just weaker forms nobody cares abt, use the thing at full power.
 
Jinx666 said:
The anime does NOT treat evolutions the same as games would. Like, we should know this.

A Bayleef isnt relativistic. Your only saving grace is reaction speed, and even then its a lawnmower. Pure hyperbole
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"We have it like that on the site, but it's not ACTUALLY like that bro trust me, like it's not REALLY that OP bro like don't read the scaling dude"
 
Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera said:
"We have it like that on the site, but it's not ACTUALLY like that bro trust me, like it's not REALLY that OP bro like don't read the scaling dude"
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Yeah, a Lawn mower isnt Relativistic are you drunk?

Neither are base pokemon just because a Golem has a dodge animation on a Pokemon Go mobile game (who tf thinks this is canon)
 
Ight idk i think im done here for tonight, i cant keep arguing when its just so pointless abt this guy.
 
Jinx666 said:
Neither are base pokemon just because a Golem has a dodge animation on a Pokemon Go mobile game (who tf thinks this is canon)
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Go directly connects to the Pokemon Let's Go games, so that's why it's canon (and the Let's Go games are treated by Game Freak as mainline, and they connect to the other mainline games through Pokemon Home).
 
Jinx666 said:
??? I literally brought it up less than an hour ago lmfao
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Correct.
Jinx666 said:
Er no, actually it cant. Anime and Games are completely separate.

Look at both pages and then tell me i copied it lmfao Maybe thats how you do your pages lazily but not me thx

Yeah, evolution line is unnecessary, its literally just weaker forms nobody cares abt, use the thing at full power.
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Wrong again, they've crossed over enough that we know they use similar scaling. That's why the anime versions of the Creation Trio are even above Universal.

I didn't say you copied it, I said CAN be copied because of how similar her progression is. Except Dynamax Togekiss.

We are an indexing site. Actually list your stuff or leave it off the public domain.
 
ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn said:
Go directly connects to the Pokemon Let's Go games, so that's why it's canon (and the Let's Go games are treated by Game Freak as mainline, and they connect to the other mainline games through Pokemon Home).
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That actually isn't why they're connected, LGPE is an alternate universe too. It's because you can send Pokemon directly from GO to mainline games, and said transfer is canon.
 
ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn said:
Go directly connects to the Pokemon Let's Go games, so that's why it's canon (and the Let's Go games are treated by Game Freak as mainline, and they connect to the other mainline games through Pokemon Home).
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Please say sike.

Lets Go are 'mainline', but they're separate timelines at best. They don't follow R/B and arent comparable to the rest of the actual games. Mfing Trace is the champion

Lets Go was made in order to drag the casual huge fanbase of Pokemon Go into the games. It is NOT a reason to be scaling a mobile game meant to take place in real life as if thats mainline. Its literally just a money-grabbing added mechanic, its got no consideration of lore or implications.

And even if it was, what makes you think that because a Golem has a default dodging animation, much like every other pokemon, thats scaled and animated independently to a Solar Beam animation...that this now scales EVERY rando base pokemon to FTL-Massively FTL levels of speed.

Like i deadass can't believe this is what we are using to scale things with. Why are we trying to do this with Pokemon???
 
Lou_change said:
I mean we don't have a visual example in mainline games but affection/friendship exists
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If you mean how Pokemon can dodge moves like Solar Beam out of 'affection', then yh thats not really enough.

Not only like you said, do we not get visual aid, but there was obviously no lore-given thought or context when making the implications of like, lets say a Slugma, dodging light.

Otherwise Solar Beam is another 100% accuracy move in game terms (And evasion is based on things like Double Team and Minimize which imply they simply miss the target rather than the target being able to dodge them). We really shouldnt be using the game mechanics to scale like this.
 
Jinx666 said:
Please say sike.

Lets Go are 'mainline', but they're separate timelines at best. They don't follow R/B and arent comparable to the rest of the actual games. Mfing Trace is the champion

Lets Go was made in order to drag the casual huge fanbase of Pokemon Go into the games. It is NOT a reason to be scaling a mobile game meant to take place in real life as if thats mainline. Its literally just a money-grabbing added mechanic, its got no consideration of lore or implications.

And even if it was, what makes you think that because a Golem has a default dodging animation, much like every other pokemon, thats scaled and animated independently to a Solar Beam animation...that this now scales EVERY rando base pokemon to FTL-Massively FTL levels of speed.

Like i deadass can't believe this is what we are using to scale things with. Why are we trying to do this with Pokemon???
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Now you know how I feel sometimes.
 
We already went over how the canon works, the current policy accepts anything remotely connected to the core series of games, notably including the anime and the manga per general statements for the purposes of indexing wild species, as well as anything that is meant to expand the worldview of Pokemon (which includes nearly anything official with a plot). Only trainer profiles and specific Pokemon pages (say, Ash's Pikachu of the anime) would be limited to their own continuity in particular as each one is an specific character by nature, bar those playable in the core series for the reasons discussed before.
 
TartaChocholate said:
Yeah, some stuff I can think of that could speed things a little bit is to standarize formats for the species profiles and then fill them like a form of sorts.

I mean, that's also a possibility? I can see something. Maybe call the page "Player Character (Pokémon)", split the profile images between the generational duos that you can choose from (Brendan and May, Calem and Serena, so on). Regional gimmicks such as Mega Evolution and Dynamax can be split into tabs or keys or something, but specify when they can't be had at the same time. The issue I can also see is that their own feats would be mixed up. Or maybe not, given they are pretty standaraized among the series' human characters.

Their rival counterparts can get their own profiles given they do have standard sets. Something like Rival Lucas/Dawn (Pokemon) or whatever name works better.
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I'd think multiple profiles would still be better as often such characters are unrelated identity-wise, just cross-link as needed to simplify indexing (say, "can have any Pokemon transfered from Trainer X, Trainer Y, Trainer Z...").
 
Jinx666 said:
Please say sike.
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Nope.

Well, I will say that I forgot the main reason Go is canon is because you can directly connect to it with Pokemon Home and send Pokemon from it to the mainline games (that's actually one of the only ways to get Meltan and Melmetal, after all).
Jinx666 said:
Lets Go are 'mainline', but they're separate timelines at best. They don't follow R/B and arent comparable to the rest of the actual games. Mfing Trace is the champion
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Let's Go is more of a Pokemon Yellow remake than Red & Blue, and honestly, they aren't that different from Yellow. The main difference is Trace, and that's about it.
Jinx666 said:
Lets Go was made in order to drag the casual huge fanbase of Pokemon Go into the games. It is NOT a reason to be scaling a mobile game meant to take place in real life as if thats mainline. Its literally just a money-grabbing added mechanic, its got no consideration of lore or implications.
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So? You may not like it, and you may think it doesn't add anything of value, but that doesn't change that it's canon.
Jinx666 said:
And even if it was, what makes you think that because a Golem has a default dodging animation, much like every other pokemon, thats scaled and animated independently to a Solar Beam animation...that this now scales EVERY rando base pokemon to FTL-Massively FTL levels of speed.
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I never brought up anything about scaling.
Jinx666 said:
Like i deadass can't believe this is what we are using to scale things with. Why are we trying to do this with Pokemon???
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There are other feats, too. I'm pretty sure Golem's being the only ones on pages was just a result of Pokemon canon being split for a year or two.
 
Jinx666 said:
The mainline games, like Red-Blue - SV
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...Red-Green
What about Pokemon ranger and manaphy
Jinx666 said:
If you mean how Pokemon can dodge moves like Solar Beam out of 'affection', then yh thats not really enough.
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Yea, and how is it not enough.
Jinx666 said:
but there was obviously no lore-given thought or context when making the implications of like, lets say a Slugma, dodging light.
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I am pretty sure that the lore implicition is that friendship is awesome and your friendship motivates your friends to aim for higher heights.
Jinx666 said:
Otherwise Solar Beam is another 100% accuracy move in game terms (And evasion is based on things like Double Team and Minimize which imply they simply miss the target rather than the target being able to dodge them). We really shouldnt be using the game mechanics to scale like this.
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Why?
 
The_2nd_Existential_Seed said:
Literalmente no podemos asumir eso sin pruebas, amigo. La gente puede entrenar sin que se muestre directamente en la pantalla. Si el Kukui actual ha demostrado que escala al nivel del Pikachu actual, entonces sí que escala en Journeys. Pero no podemos asumir que el Kukui anterior escala sin una declaración de Kukui o Ash de que el Kukui anterior podría haber seguido el ritmo del Ash/Pikachu actual.
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However, the same episode only shouts that gladion and kiawe and we know tapu koko is treated sm as better kukui and even sm we have statements that leave well Eos sm ash and kukui as
I want to say some summaries sm it is stated
An unprecedented battle begins now!! Kapu Kokeko VS Pikachu, Pikachu vs Koko has no precedent in the series

There is also another claim that was made about Kukui.

useful and tough. That's right. It's the
strongest among all the Pokemon trainers
 
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