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Pokemon Discussion Thread - Red & Blue arc

Ebihara said:
I am asking genuinelly. did you read anything ive typed? Ive said since my OP that i dont want it used in scaling.
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Why are you trying to entertain it then?

I dont need the 'fun facts: levels were actually mentioned once in the 1000+ episode anime series!', and then trying to use that to justify a level-based power system is used for the anime. Cause thats blatantly just not true

Ebihara said:
your responses are acting like I want it used in scaling. so again please read what others type before you respond.
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Stop entertaining it then. I did read your responses, but i dont see why you're trying to diverge it when its very obvious that the anime doesn't fw levels, just because a few old episodes mentioned it.

Pazdera will quite literally take it and run. He's already sitting here trying to say that Pikachu is apparently level 70 in Gen 4-era because of some random event distribution, we dont need that.
 
I am not enteratining it being used. saw this topic was brought up so decided to go find the episode I remembered mentioned it. its the pokemon dissucsion thread, I like talking about pokemon. Wont make the mistake of trying to talk to you again.
 
Ebihara said:
I am not enteratining it being used. saw this topic was brought up so decided to go find the episode I remembered mentioned it. its the pokemon dissucsion thread, I like talking about pokemon. Wont make the mistake of trying to talk to you again.
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There's a very good reason why I've stopped putting my projects on the discussion thread lol
 
Ebihara said:
I am not enteratining it being used. saw this topic was brought up so decided to go find the episode I remembered mentioned it. its the pokemon dissucsion thread, I like talking about pokemon. Wont make the mistake of trying to talk to you again.
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Good, im trying to talk about the actual scaling issues of Pokemon here. I already knew it was briefly mentioned, but thats no reason to act like the anime gives af about levels
 
Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera said:
There's a very good reason why I've stopped putting my projects on the discussion thread lol
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Dude, you can't complain people for judging you harshly when you put this as your Profile Description:

The Pokemon franchise is going through a tough break. Now is the worst time to be a fan of the verse than ever before, and the debaters of other monster franchises are huffing the stench of our weakness at our doorstep. But it's through tough times like these that the greatest heroes will rise up. I, Sean Pazdera, volunteer to be such a hero. I've heard others ask, "Sean, how could you possibly save Pokemon debating as just a mere man?" The same way the Iron Man of old got out of all his problems. By building armor. Armor not around me, not around VS Battles Wiki, not even around the community. My armors belong around the franchise of Pokemon itself. With enough of them, I might just singlehandedly breathe new life into Pokemon debating. See for yourself the breath I've taken already:
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You come off as a dick
 
Jinx666 said:
Like any Pokemon whose level is stronger than the box-legendary's static encounter being stronger than it.

Or dumb stuff like Purugly being faster than Arceus

You DO need to be aware of a verse's inconsistencies and contradictons in order to be good at scaling it btw.
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9-C Arceus? Damn actual Magikarp Victim.
 
LegendariumOfLies said:
Dude, you can't complain people for judging you harshly when you put this as your Profile Description:


You come off as a dick
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😭 😭 😭

Like obviously ive got no right to stop anyone from contributing and participating in a verse they enjoy and like scaling, but Pazdera's narrow mindedness and obsession with trying to scale Pokemon to a composited extreme, all for the sake of 'building his army' against Digimon, is genuinely harming this verse. He's not to blame for all of it, but hes really trying to make it as confused as possible, and thats not helping. And theres sady no way of getting that through to him
 
Jinx666 said:
😭 😭 😭

Like obviously ive got no right to stop anyone from contributing and participating in a verse they enjoy and like scaling, but Pazdera's narrow mindedness and obsession with trying to scale Pokemon to a composited extreme, all for the sake of 'building his army' against Digimon, is genuinely harming this verse. He's not to blame for all of it, but hes really trying to make it as confused as possible, and thats not helping.
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Death Battle buck broke this man
 
Jinx666 said:
Like any Pokemon whose level is stronger than the box-legendary's static encounter being stronger than it.

Or dumb stuff like Purugly being faster than Arceus

You DO need to be aware of a verse's inconsistencies and contradictons in order to be good at scaling it btw.
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I'm not saying we should use stuff like base stats. Levels being similar in the same game just has a basic meaning that one's not overwhelmingly superior to the other.
 
Jinx666 said:
😭 😭 😭

Like obviously ive got no right to stop anyone from contributing and participating in a verse they enjoy and like scaling, but Pazdera's narrow mindedness and obsession with trying to scale Pokemon to a composited extreme, all for the sake of 'building his army' against Digimon, is genuinely harming this verse. He's not to blame for all of it, but hes really trying to make it as confused as possible, and thats not helping. And theres sady no way of getting that through to him
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It's not a real army, I just think of the pages laid out like one. And, again, this is on behalf of Pokemon, not anti-Digimon.
 
Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera said:
I'm not saying we should use stuff like base stats. Levels being similar in the same game just has a basic meaning that one's not overwhelmingly superior to the other.
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Base stats are in the exact same vein as another game-mechanic used to balance. They arent representative of canonical strength

Levels dont have any meaning other than game-mechanic and progression. They're not representative of actual canonical power, like apparently Maylenes Lucario being the strongest gym leader ace because its '1 level higher'. Use feats and scaling instead
 
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Jinx666 said:
Base stats are in the exact same vein as another game-mechanic used to balance. They arent representative of canonical strength

Levels dont have any meaning other than game-mechanic and progression. They're not representative of actual canonical power, like apparently Maylenes Lucario being the strongest gym leader ace because its '1 level higher'. Use feats and scaling instead
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You literally fight people with a similar level to you all the time in Pokemon games. In fact, you can literally orchestrate some of the real fights, for example by taking an untouched Mewtwo and fighting Red with him.
 
Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera said:
You literally fight people with a similar level to you all the time in Pokemon games. In fact, you can literally orchestrate some of the real fights, for example by taking an untouched Mewtwo and fighting Red with him.
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Not really? As the player, canonically and not considering the skill of the actual player, you're a 10 year old prodigy that swept the league, defeated the evil boss and took down a legendary within one journey lol. There are not many characters with any actual proof that they're on your level or a challenge for you with game mechanics in mind.

You're trying to just composite and cherry pick the strongest possible outcomes and scaling features, like acting as if Maylene is capable of contending and posing an actual challenge to the player using Creation-trio-avatar-level strength. Just not the case whatsoever.
Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera said:
It's honestly just Jinx. He's ruined a lot of projects here that are still getting fixed.
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I havent spoke on any of your 'projects' whatsoever. You were actively breaking rules using non canon Masters scaling and trying to put it over the mainline games, then getting hysterical about it.
LegendariumOfLies said:
Well, why don't you try using him instead of working against him? Use him as a stress test for your CRTs
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Im good on that 😭 I'd rather we cleaned up the verse formatting and its scaling philosophy before we started making the huge composite Tier 2-across-the-board stuff Pazdera wants
 
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Jinx666 said:
Not really? As the player, canonically and not considering the skill of the actual player, you're a 10 year old prodigy that swept the league, defeated the evil boss and took down a legendary within one journey lol. There are not many characters with any actual proof that they're on your level or a challenge for you with game mechanics in mind.

You're trying to just composite and cherry pick the strongest possible outcomes and scaling features, like acting as if Maylene is capable of contending and posing an actual challenge to the player using Creation-trio-avatar-level strength. Just not the case whatsoever.
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Damn I can't believe Ash became the Alolan League Champion in one journey lol. Pokemon journeys never end. The games have a day/night cycle, so we have definitive, in-universe proof that their adventure lasts like months/years.
Jinx666 said:
I havent spoke on any of your 'projects' whatsoever. You were actively breaking rules using non canon Masters scaling and trying to put it over the mainline games, then getting hysterical about it.
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We didn't consider it noncanon... until you showed up.
Jinx666 said:
Im good on that 😭 I'd rather we cleaned up the verse formatting and its scaling philosophy before we started making the huge composite Tier 2-across-the-board stuff Pazdera wants
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Honestly I'd rather shower with a bear than downgrade the verse until you're satisfied.
 
I really dk why you're using Ash as an example when we're talking about the video game protagonists? Keep Ash and his scaling separate from the games, he doesnt scale to of the player characters whatsoever

Please explain how a day and night cycle in the games (Which is based on your system's recorded timezone, not an in-universe day/night cycle) being a thing definitively proves that the canon journey lasted 'months/years'. Maybe it took you that long to complete the main story but that doesnt mean thats the canon go-about

Yh im not gonna be doing this again, but i literally do not see any other person that agrees with you that Masters EX should be considered canon over the mainline, just for the sake of letting all the characters scale to Tier 2 just because a mon like Palkia or Giratina shows up. You were only getting away with it because no one was checking up on it, that doesnt mean everyone agrees w/ you
 
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Jinx666 said:
I really dk why you're using Ash as an example when we're talking about the video game protagonists? Keep Ash and his scaling separate from the games, he doesnt scale to of the player characters whatsoever
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What, there's not a day/night cycle in the anime?
Jinx666 said:
Please explain how a day and night cycle in the games (Which is based on your system's recorded timezone, not an in-universe day/night cycle) being a thing definitively proves that the canon journey lasted 'months/years'. Maybe it took you that long to complete the main story but that doesnt mean thats the canon go-about
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The game doesn't stop when you've beaten the League Champion. The game doesn't even stop when you 100% the game. The game stops when you never play it again. Countless days will have passed by that point.
Jinx666 said:
Yh im not gonna be doing this again, but i literally do not see any other person that agrees with you that Masters EX should be considered canon over the mainline, just for the sake of letting all the characters scale to Tier 2 just because a mon like Palkia or Giratina shows up. You were only getting away with it because no one was checking up on it, that doesnt mean everyone agrees w/ you
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The thing I don't talk about except to you because of how bad you made the discussion around it? Yeah, so weird you don't see people agree because they never talk. Besides, people constantly got scaled to Tier 2 for that same reason long before I starting doing things FOR the Pokemon verse, like Elio for example. Pokemon Masters just has people scale to them AND to the Legendaries instead.
 
Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera said:
What, there's not a day/night cycle in the anime?
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Can you make sure you're replying to the right things please?

Idk where you're getting this from or why this is meant to prove a point, but no, the length of Ash's journey is not representative of the length of the journey in-game. If anything...Ash is still 10-11 years old lol, so he pretty much did clear and surpass most of every region's league within 1 year.
Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera said:
The game doesn't stop when you've beaten the League Champion. The game doesn't even stop when you 100% the game. The game stops when you never play it again. Countless days will have passed by that point.
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Wha 😭

You do realise that we're talking about the canonicity right? Not your exact playthrough.
Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera said:
The thing I don't talk about except to you because of how bad you made the discussion around it? Yeah, so weird you don't see people agree because they never talk. Besides, people constantly got scaled to Tier 2 for that same reason long before I starting doing things FOR the Pokemon verse, like Elio for example. Pokemon Masters just has people scale to them AND to the Legendaries instead.
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Idk why you're trying to use Elio as an example, i dont think we should have that page either lmao.

Masters EX isnt canon or representative, especially not if youre trying to retcon the actual mainline story for the sake of it
 
Jinx666 said:
Can you make sure you're replying to the right things please?

Idk where you're getting this from or why this is meant to prove a point, but no, the length of Ash's journey is not representative of the length of the journey in-game. If anything...Ash is still 10-11 years old lol, so he pretty much did clear and surpass most of every region's league within 1 year.
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Can you? We were talking about days passing.
Jinx666 said:
Wha 😭

You do realise that we're talking about the canonicity right? Not your exact playthrough.
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Correct. Unless you think a 100% speedrun of the game is somehow "more canon".
Jinx666 said:
Idk why you're trying to use Elio as an example, i dont think we should have that page either lmao.

Masters EX isnt canon or representative, especially not if youre trying to retcon the actual mainline story for the sake of it
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Well, I do.

Lol, every single point I make you just default back to "It's noncanon so what you said doesn't matter".
 
Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera said:
Lol, every single point I make you just default back to "It's noncanon so what you said doesn't matter".
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Yes, on this wiki we only use reliable and canon information when scaling the characters, and make separate profiles for non-canon or alternate versions of said character.

We arent here to make everything Tier 2 so you can 'build your armors' and be the 'Hero of Pokemon'.
 
Jinx666 said:
Yes, on this wiki we only use reliable and canon information when scaling the characters, and make separate profiles for non-canon or alternate versions of said character.

We arent here to make everything Tier 2 so you can 'build your armors' and be the 'Hero of Pokemon'.
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Then start doing that.

Yeah, that's my job.
 
Thats what we're trying to do if you could stop making it difficult and compositing/deciding your own canon
 
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