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How do they scale?
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Pokemon Discussion Thread - Red & Blue arc
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Ah, gotcha. I thought there was some important lore bit in SV that I had missed
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He's probably going to scale them to Dialga/Palkia Raids or something.
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Do we consider Raids canon?
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Ah, sweet.
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Obviously I don't consider them all canon since that would make pre-Raihan Gloria 5-B, so things that aren't Raids should be considered as well.
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Why do they scale SV characters if it's not too much of a problem?
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Professor Sada makes it clear that Area Zero (the only area where Paradox Pokémon can be naturally found) are really strong even for both the player and Arven, of note is that by this time the player is already considered a Champion-level trainer, and Arven also thinks that they'd need support of another Champion-level trainer.
More importantly, Nemona is also regarded as directly comparable to the player, she has fought Red in Masters, and with Gen 9 happening chronologically after Gen 7, this'd have to be involving a Red that already has tier 2 Pokemon.
More importantly, Nemona is also regarded as directly comparable to the player, she has fought Red in Masters, and with Gen 9 happening chronologically after Gen 7, this'd have to be involving a Red that already has tier 2 Pokemon.
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Professor Sada makes it clear that Area Zero (the only area where Paradox Pokémon are found naturally) is truly tough, even for the player and Arven. It's worth noting that by then, the player is already considered a Champion-level trainer, and Arven also believes they would need the support of another Champion-level trainer.
More importantly, Nemona is also considered directly comparable to the player: she battled Red in Masters, and since Generation 9 occurs chronologically after Generation 7, this would involve a Red who already has Level 2 Pokémon.
We're certain of this by using
Master EX in the mainline, considering that Master EX implies Gloria and Victor are inferior. Leon, things that make absolutely no sense in the games, also seems to be decanonized.
The Victoria Gold thing about Red in the later game.
They also separate BW and BW 2, two different lines, even though the games are in the same world.
Another Champion-level trainer. Also, how does this work? It's a scale. I don't think such a thing exists. People with this rank are comparable to each other. Even other trainers are comparable to them. Anime has cases of trainers comparable to them. Who are they comparable to, exactly? Iris or Leon. Rank doesn't imply everything is comparable.
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You used Google Translate, didn't you? The wording around seems odd and it looks like you also took what I brought up and passed it on that then included it there to lead to an even weirder result.
Anyways...
At this pace I'll have to request a discussion rule to avoid any further back and forth when I bother doing the CRT for this stuff.
Anyways...
We've already gone over the usage of Masters, it's a sort of secondary canon like basically every sort of Pokemon media, especially as they still are intended to portray the capabilities of the characters, even if they may be separate individuals between one timeline and another, it's not like other series where we only rate them on a vacuum, that goes against the general agreement for how Pokemon canon is meant to be treated as.
At this pace I'll have to request a discussion rule to avoid any further back and forth when I bother doing the CRT for this stuff.
See here
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Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera
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"Champion-level" means a different thing in S/V than in all the other games.
Nemona treated him as being >>>> her Pokemon, Masters is noncanon on this site, as this wouldn't scale to the wild Legendaries.
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This site doesn't recognize Masters as canon. Even if we did, for example even the Bugsy in Masters shitstomps his HGSS appearance so a wild Legendary's not gonna scale.
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A sort of secondary canon, like virtually all Pokémon media, especially since its goal is to represent the characters' abilities, even if they're separate individuals between one timeline and another. It's not like other series, where we only rate them individually, which contradicts the general consensus on how Pokémon canon should be treated.
A sort of secondary canon, like virtually all Pokémon media, especially since its goal is to represent the characters' abilities, even if they're separate individuals between one timeline and another. It's not like other series, where we only rate them individually, which contradicts the general consensus on how Pokémon canon should be treated.
At this point, I'll have to request a discussion rule to avoid further back-and-forth when I bother to analyze this topic. Well, Master Ex, even the wiki talks about character interactions; they're canon for the games. That all implies the creators, and there are blatant contradictions.
It makes no sense that the 8th generation protagonists are weaker than Leon. Every Leon, throughout every game, eventually finds someone better than him. Your victory, literally, is the most important point, which literally contradicts what main canon dictates here.
Why do you deny Gold defeated Red when it's literally a consistent feature in remakes and classic games?
But Master Ex denies it. You're giving more weight to the secondary game directly to the main games.
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This is almost a word salad, I can barely get the idea of what you want to say, and please don't include what I'm saying in your reply as that just comes off as an attempt to misrepresent my arguments (especially given the patent mistranslations obtained by machine translation over just keeping the text as is, even more so when it's not within a quote box).
What'd be pertinent from Masters for our purposes would be scaling, what a character does in one timeline over the other is irrelevant for this purpose unless it's implicit that their stats should be different from the norm to begin with.
That's not really a source, that's just a claim, if you mean a concern over what @Jinx666 has been pushing then that can wait for the proper CRT.
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What would be relevant about Masters for our purposes would be scaling; what a character does in one timeline relative to another is irrelevant for this purpose, unless it's implied that their stats should be different from normal from the start
Friend, Gold Master Ex is directly the same as the one from the remakes where you consistently beat Red post-game.
But Master Ex directly says that he never beat Red and that they even knew each other.
How is that not a blatant contradiction to the game itself?
It's not even an alternative timeline. It's Gold from Heart, Gold, and Soul, Silver.
Friend, Gold Master Ex is directly the same as the one from the remakes where you consistently beat Red post-game.
But Master Ex directly says that he never beat Red and that they even knew each other.
How is that not a blatant contradiction to the game itself?
It's not even an alternative timeline. It's Gold from Heart, Gold, and Soul, Silver.
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That's not true. The only talk of Masters being unsuable was in this thread. It was never applied in a CRT, so it's usuable (just, don't try to argue that Sword & Shield's DLC is non-canon because of it).
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Profiles are getting deleted because they mention Masters and people are allowed to freely delete sections with Masters scans. We treat it as noncanon.
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I don't think that's why your profiles were deleted.
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It was the only reason they were even on the deletion thread.
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Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera
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Yes. In one episode, Jessie and James trained a Paras this way.
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Wait, really? Which episode was that?
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Which episode
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That was just answered.
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Cool, thanks.
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Covers some pretty interesting topics.
Notably, one brought up earlier is that the Ruins of Alph puzzles depicts forms of Fossil Pokemon as they would be known based on their modern day resurrection. But, particularly in the case of Aerodactyl, those revived forms are, in-universe, deemed very likely to be inaccurate to how the Pokemon originally existed before it became extinct.
Yet the Ruins of Alph were made by a people that have since disappeared long ago, no? Seemingly with cooperation or insight from Unown, right?
Ergo, could this be an indication Unown showed the people of what is now the Ruins of Alph perspectives of the future -Information- such as what those Pokemon would look like after resurrection using modern technology.
In other words, can Unown show or otherwise give information about the future?
It's a long video, so it covers lots of interesting topics. Hopefully others find it interesting, helpful &/or appreciable, too.
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Is there a thread for CRTs that don't get attention?
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Yes,
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Well, I've got 4 CRTs going by now and nobody seems to give a **** about them.
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Anime Terapagos should easily be 5-B—it tanked Dragon Ascent from a Rayquaza it had empowered, all while not even at full strength or having fully recovered its power. Stellar Terapagos should massively upscale
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However, this Rayquaza does not have any 5B feat and the only reason Rayquaza game 5B is because of the Delta Meteorite that does not exist in the Anime.
