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Pokemon Discussion Thread lV

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Anime4Life2020 said:
The real cal howard said:
Because I can catch this Dragon Ball GT level reality warped known as Beheeyem on route 14.
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I thought we didnt use Game Mechanics as a reference here?
Besides, if its catchable then it only means its AP is low as heck. It wouldn't affect its reality warping. In addition to this, I believe this feat can only be done by that specific Beheeyem from the B/W anime.
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If only done by that one Beheeyem in the anime, then wouldn't it be largely inconsistent with all other Beheeyem? But regardless, we COULD put it as "Possibly 4-A with Reality Warping" and specifiy in the Weakness section that it doesn't use it's Reality Warping in battle too often, meaning that it wouldn't really be applicable in any fights we'd use it in on this wiki.

Does that sound alright, or are there still objections?
 
GimmyJibbsJr said:
If only done by that one Beheeyem in the anime, then wouldn't it be largely inconsistent with all other Beheeyem? But regardless, we COULD put it as "Possibly 4-A with Reality Warping" and specifiy in the Weakness section that it doesn't use it's Reality Warping in battle too often, meaning that it wouldn't really be applicable in any fights we'd use it in on this wiki.

Does that sound alright, or are there still objections?
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I dont think it would be inconsistent because most Beheeyem in general arent implied to have reality warping powers on the level of this Beheeyem. Or more specifically, average Beheeyem. This Beyeehem used by the Dream Thief is consistently recognized to use reality warping to make pocket worlds based on its victims dreams and memories and manipulate them for their purposes. He tried doing that to Ash and his friends to steal Meowth and Pikachu. And it would have worked yet again if it wasnt for Dream Specialist Officer Jenny coming in to save them.

Or if you want to go deeper, you could say its because all other Beheeyem are wild ones, so they dont have the same capabilities as this speciifc Beheeyem whos trained by a specialist. Kinda like the Pikachu treatment. Also im not sure on the "not using reality warping in battle often" as Ash and his friends were seemingly put in one of his dream worlds from the start of the episode.

I have no issues with using Possibly, I just feel its unfair to discard it totally when really nothing inconsistent or ridiculous pops up from this like with Gothitelle.
 
You can even check the episode itself if you want

Everything said about Beheeyem is completely true. It's been shown to be above Ash and co. in every possible way while inside its dream world, they were powerless to even touch Beheeyem.
 
Got a noivern via GTS, are these good stats?

level 59 attack 101 defense 104 sp attack 120 sp defense 118 speed 158
 
FanofRPGs said:
It also has Pokérus (what is that?)
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@Fan Put it it a pokemon bank now.

Pokerus is a disease in Pokemon that that lets you garner EVs (Maybe experience aswell) faster.

Any Pokemon in a party with that Noivern will contract the disease as well but it only lasts for a limited amount of time.
 
I'm not sure about the other 2 but Poke bank is the only sure fire way I know to not lose it, this way you can spread the disease to another game.

Edit: Keep it in the PC box, it spreads and never goes away while thee in there.

It only lasts a few days/hours (don't remember exactly how long but differs from pokemon to pokemon), though you can extend it's time by putting other pokemon in a party with the one thats infected to it spreads.

It only affects EV, maybe IVs and experience but i'm not sure.
 
@Anime just drop the Beheyem subject. He will not be 4-A end of story. No regular pokemon will be that strong as it is inconsistent and nonsensical. If Beheyem was a legendary that would be different but he is no. Like Cal said drop this topic completely. Never bring it up again either. It gets kinda annoying since we have already said ratings like that for normal pokemon is just flat out outlierish.

However, Pikachu should be 6-C due to the manga feat.
 
In response to Anime's suggestion for situationally 4-A Beheeyem:

I don't think we should include it. Freddy Krueger doesn't get to be 5-B for creating a planet in the dream world, and he has the same dream manipulating powers you're stating Beheeyem to have. And creating a dimension or alternate reality is a straight up attack potency feat, so Beheeyem having the power to create that kind of dimension is blatantly contradicted by his power outside of it.

I think Beheeyem should be "Unknown" in the dream world, given the same treatment as Freddy Krueger.
 
Question, If Pokemon can learn moves like Mach Punch or Bullet Punch, couldn't we calc AP via a KE calc just like Metagross and the other Pokemon that can learn Meteor Mash?


For example, Breloom is rated as Street Level now. But since Mach Punch could possibly be taken at Mach 1, we get 343 m/s, and 39.2 kilograms.

KE = 0.5*39.2*343^2

KE = 2305.9204 Kilojoules, or Wall Level with Mach Punch.
 
Not to get off-topic, but since when did Freddy ever create a planet-sized pocket dimension? Whether it's a horror movie like Nightmare on Elm Street or a video game like Pokemon, you need some sort of proof, or at least probable cause, to assume the size of a pocket dimension, and I've never so much as heard of that happening.
 
Well, if you want to do something about it I'd recommend making a new thread, rather than steering this one even more off-topic than I've unfortunately caused it to go.
 
So a week ago I got a Phione via wondertrade. Assuming it is real, does it have any trade value?
 
GimmyJibbsJr said:
Question, If Pokemon can learn moves like Mach Punch or Bullet Punch, couldn't we calc AP via a KE calc just like Metagross and the other Pokemon that can learn Meteor Mash?


For example, Breloom is rated as Street Level now. But since Mach Punch could possibly be taken at Mach 1, we get 343 m/s, and 39.2 kilograms.

KE = 0.5*39.2*343^2

KE = 2305.9204 Kilojoules, or Wall Level with Mach Punch.
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I don't want to be pushy, but I want to see what everyone else thinks.
 
Wall level Breloom sounds fine to me. I wonder if it has better feats in the manga or anime.
 
Well, if the attack is literally called Mach Punch, I don't see what else that is supposed to mean other than Mach speeds, it's not like this is a verse where that would be hyperbole (it's pretty low-end for the verse)

I imagine that would also translate to Transonic combat speed? If we're assuming it's only Mach 1, that is.
 
Also, since we don't seem to have anything for Gen 4 starters right now (Although they could be scaled from the fake Kyogre Manga feat), Infernape can learn mach Punch, and therefore have something to scale to Empoleon and Torterra.

@Dark I only really remember one fighting a Niobat and Combusken in the anime, honestly.
 
Well, I mean, we could assume it is higher then that, but I used Mach 1 because it is the only Speed that is utterly confirmed to be within the range of this attack's speed. If we take the word "Mach" seriously, then it has to at least be Mach 1, but we don't really know how much higher it could specifically be, and that would just be mere guessing as to what a higher speed could be.

Mach 1 is really the only "confirmed" speed for this attack.
 
We shouldn't assume mach punch is supersonic because of its name. Going by that logic, light-speed flash(One Punch Man) should be SOL.
 
The difference here is that, in One Punch Man, no actual light-speed feats were ever exhibited, even by people above Lightspeed flash on the metaphorical food chain, whereas many Pokemon supposedly as strong as or even weaker than Breloom have superior feats, making it consistent. It's no different from any other statement, given the circumstances.
 
Could you check the Japanese name to see if it really is match punch? Since it could very well be a fancy name given by the translation.
 
PaChi2 said:
Could you check the Japanese name to see if it really is match punch? Since it could very well be a fancy name given by the translation.
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Yes it is. Mach Punch (Òâ×ÒââÒâÅÒâæÒâ│Òâü)
 
@Fan High end is around 32 Tons, low end is around 5 Tons. It varies on the weight of the Pokemon though.
 
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