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Plot Manip is overrated

Plot Manipulation is that kind of ability that lets you control the plot itself it’s so boring it makes the character even more of a mary sue/gary sue then a already broken Reality Warper.
 
Eyy what gives you said “threat manipulation” and my mind thought it had to do with overpowered bullying but I clicked the link and it says “thread manipulation”

Ohhhh and now it makes sense.
 
Plot Manipulation is just meta reality warping. It's not special. Any No Limits Fallacy argument you can make about could easily be made about Reality Warping. It does not deserve all the hype it gets and it can easily be counted just by having better Reality Warping/Fate/Causality/whatever hax.

Also, some character have powers that exist solely to give Plot Hax the middle finger, which no one seems to bring up: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/John_Egbert
 
Plot Manipulation is just meta reality warping. It's not special. Any No Limits Fallacy argument you can make about could easily be made about Reality Warping. It does not deserve all the hype it gets and it can easily be counted just by having better Reality Warping/Fate/Causality/whatever hax.

Also, some character have powers that exist solely to give Plot Hax the middle finger, which no one seems to bring up: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/John_Egbert
Fax, and the worse thing about it is because people think that a fodder type of plot hax can deal with Abstract Beings, even without feats
 
I kinda wanna see what these people have to say to characters who resist plot manip. I do remember one character (I think it was SCP) who survive getting erased by someone who can control the entire narrative, by doing something like: "Lol no" And then they murdered said narrative controller
 
If Plot Manipulation is overrated, Mathematics manip is underrated. Plot manip is generally used as a form of meta reality warping, but it has other uses, such as time and fate manip. Still, a stronger-end power.
 
Verse equalization kinda makes even decent plot manipulation REALLY all encompassing; because everything is just an aspect of the plot including reality itself and fate. So unless your reality warping/fate manip includes the plot, it really would fall by the wayside of true plot manipulation in most cases. And powers like those, that include plot manip, would just be considered plot manipulation anyway kek.

It's like how causality and probability are just aspects of fate; so in most cases decent fate manipulation is superior. Unless your probability can control fate, in which case it would be considered fate manipulation anyway.
 
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