Piccolo's Speed in Dragon Ball Super

[Pikachu942]

I understand the need to keep all his other stats in Super currently in the unknown category, but shouldn't Piccolo's speed be MFTL+ in Dragon Ball Super, as he was able to react to and block many of Frost's punches with his hands, who in turn could keep up with Goku.

 

[Antoniofer]

Both Frost and Goku's speed remain as unknown, the lacks of feats make it difficult to determinate

EDIT: I was refering to base Goku or any form that isn't SSJG or SSB

 

[Alexcar3000]

Frost moved so fast Piccolo could not react, while Goku and the other top tiers could... so Piccolo is definitely faster, but not as fast as the hundreds of billions x FTL the top tiers (currently) are.

 

[Lina_Shields]

Remember that you only have to be around 1000x faster than light to fit into the MFTL+ category. If Piccolo was able to react to Frost's attacks somewhat (who should be nearing a trillion C), it makes sense for Piccolo to have somewhat comparable speed as well.

 

[TheMightyRegulator]

Which form did Frost defeat? We already decided any form that's not SSGSS or SSG will not be scaled to decrease inconsistencies.

 

[Antoniofer]

^final form Frost was stomped by SSJ Goku, whose speed remain as Unknown, and Piccolo was, in some way, comparable to Frost; but again, we haven't feats that determinate the speed of Frost

 

[AidenBrooks999]

U6 Characthers, and Goku and Vegeta Base/SSJ post god ki are Unknown (at the very least Solar System level in term of powers) due to be "featless" but stills, I mean, FTL+ was reached in Frieza Saga, they're surely MFTL (if not Low End MFTL+) in the mencioned forms

 

[TheMightyRegulator]

Why? The range involving FTL+ is massive. You also don't need to be several times faster than someone to blitz them. Even a small difference in speed matters.

 

[TheMightyRegulator]

^final form Frost was stomped by SSJ Goku, whose speed remain as Unknown, and Piccolo was, in some way, comparable to Frost; but again, we haven't feats that determinate the speed of Frost

Then they should probably remain unknown in speed for now. Or "Likely At Least FTL+"

 

[Antoniofer]

I would say that SSJ Goku and Vegeta are mid 4-B, but don't known about the speed, I don't even known about the speed of top tier DBZ characters...

 

[Faisal_Shourov]

If Piccolo was MFTL+, the whole fight would be over in an instant. We're ignoring the inconsistenties during the tournament and keeping the chars unknown. Otherwise there would be plenty of downgrade

Once we get impressive feats again, then it would be appropiate to scale

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

I find it funny that we end going to having legit Galaxy to even Universe Busting power for Dragon Ball only to end up with another problem or two on this. :/

 

[AidenBrooks999]

If Piccolo was MFTL+, the whole fight would be over in an instant.

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[AidenBrooks999]

The difference between FTL+ and MFTL isn't abismal

And they FAR superior to their Buu Saga Self

 

[Faisal_Shourov]

If Piccolo was MFTL+, the whole fight would be over in an instant.

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Logically that's what it would look like to the viewers like Bulma and Chi Chi who're regular human to superhuman in reaction time. Obviously Piccolo didn't demonstrate any FTL feat during the fight.

For Dragon Ball, we always go by scaling for Dragon Ball so many inconsistencies are ignored

 

[Faisal_Shourov]

I find it funny that we end going to having legit Galaxy to even Universe Busting power for Dragon Ball only to end up with another problem or two on this. :/

I personally was keen on upgrading the characters actually, but Ant decided not to until we see actual feats. I even put Magetta at 3-B initially

So yeah, let us see if we get actual good feats again or not (from people other than Beerus and Vados).

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

@Faisal: Fair enoug, yeah...

 

[AidenBrooks999]

For Dragon Ball, we always go by scaling for Dragon Ball so many inconsistencies are ignored

DBZ was always like that

I mean, filler Human can't see then

The main can barely see them

 

[Antvasima]

As others have mentioned, and I am sick and tired of repeating at this point, we do not know for certain how swift and powerful that Goku and Vegeta currently are in their regular and super saiyan forms.

If characters stand up to their "god forms" that is another matter.

And the tournament has been very unimpressive so far, with Super Saiyan Vegeta seriously threatened by lava.