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This CRT has been made to discuss a contentious point in the Persona franchise, specifically around Persona 2 since let's be honest who here actually knows anything about Persona 2
Philemon states on occasion that he is an "incarnation of the collective unconscious", as shown here:
The important question being asked is how this statement would actually scale Philemon to the CU itself. The CU is fully capable of creating entirely new realities, as shown through statements like this one.
On top of that, statements like these:
seem to suggest that the Collective Unconscious has made many, many different realities before. It's from this, and other similar statements, that the Collective Unconscious is sometimes considered to be 2-B in its entirety.
The problem here is actually somewhat separate; the issue being whether or not Philemon actually scales to this at all. As mentioned before, Philemon is considered to be an "incarnation of the Collective Unconscious". One assumption made with this in mind is that he scales to all of it, or that he's comparable to it, but it's extremely debatable whether this statement would confirm such a thing at all.
As such, this thread has been created to openly discuss and debate the topic as a whole. Given the scaling of P2, the decision of whether Philemon is considered comparable to the CU is extremely impactful and could lead to major tier changes.
Philemon states on occasion that he is an "incarnation of the collective unconscious", as shown here:
The important question being asked is how this statement would actually scale Philemon to the CU itself. The CU is fully capable of creating entirely new realities, as shown through statements like this one.
On top of that, statements like these:
seem to suggest that the Collective Unconscious has made many, many different realities before. It's from this, and other similar statements, that the Collective Unconscious is sometimes considered to be 2-B in its entirety.
The problem here is actually somewhat separate; the issue being whether or not Philemon actually scales to this at all. As mentioned before, Philemon is considered to be an "incarnation of the Collective Unconscious". One assumption made with this in mind is that he scales to all of it, or that he's comparable to it, but it's extremely debatable whether this statement would confirm such a thing at all.
As such, this thread has been created to openly discuss and debate the topic as a whole. Given the scaling of P2, the decision of whether Philemon is considered comparable to the CU is extremely impactful and could lead to major tier changes.