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PGR Massive Upgrade

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Vietthai96 said:
i will look at this tomorrow, since in my timezone it is midnight already. there is a lot to take in, ngl.
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Regarding the higher dimensions specifically, the most important issue is that even if we assume the "countless dimensions" are spatial dimensions (MalefAzelb is not a staff member so his translation can't be used as proof iirc), there is no proof that these extra dimensions are actually "non-insignificant." The only evidence that would even remotely imply this is that two of the extra dimensions were accepted as significant, but it would be fallacious to extrapolate from that and assume that every one of these "countless" extra dimensions is also significant.

In fact, according to that same CRT, at least one of the extra dimensions in the verse is insignificant. Despite having 7D HDE, Ishmael only has 6D AP. She is accepted to have 3 extra dimensions in addition to height/width/time/depth, but one of those three is insignificant and does not affect her AP. It would be stupid to assume that all of the countless extra dimensions in the verse are significant considering the fact that the verse does have at least one insignificant extra dimension.
 
Ngl, even though i'm a gacha game player, powerscaling and evaluating gacha games is tiresome
 
After reading the last thread referenced in OP, and the OP itself, I can agree with countless 1-B

OblivionCiffer2202 said:
One question, wouldn't this be 1-A Low? Transcending time and dimensions, it qualifies as such. But is that the only statement there is, I guess not, but it is left up in the air.
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I was thinking the same, but am not an expert.

I will read the "misc" part later.
 
Anyway, countless D is fine. 维度 is indeed referring to spatial dimension, or dimensionality, so there's no point denying this

However, is there proof for all of these dimensions being significant??

Telomera said:
(MalefAzelb is not a staff member so his translation can't be used as proof iirc)
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He not being a staff member (translation helper) doesn't mean I'm going to dismiss his translation. I already went through and did some research on some Chinese sources, and his translation is indeed correct; sometimes context could change things around, but I just evaluate based on what OP show me
 
Vietthai96 said:
Anyway, countless D is fine. 维度 is indeed referring to spatial dimension, or dimensionality, so there's no point denying this

However, is there proof for all of these dimensions being significant??
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Can you be a little more precise in the form of proof you're asking for? I don't personally know how I'd go about proving every one of the countless dimension are individually significant, but our source of proof is the Gate already being accepted as such. The countless dimensions scan states that the Primal Projection was created by the Gate and had a portion of it's power given by Ishmael. If you can tell me generally what kind of evidence you're looking for I can see what I can find though.
 
AlipheeseXIV said:
Can you be a little more precise in the form of proof you're asking for? I don't personally know how I'd go about proving every one of the countless dimension are individually significant, but our source of proof is the Gate already being accepted as such. The countless dimensions scan states that the Primal Projection was created by the Gate and had a portion of it's power given by Ishmael. If you can tell me generally what kind of evidence you're looking for I can see what I can find though.
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Need so sleep, but if you could find proofs that dimensions are universal or infinite in size then it is qualify for tier upgrade, of course countless D HDE is fine since for HDE you don't need dimensions to be significant in size
 
Vietthai96 said:
Need so sleep, but if you could find proofs that dimensions are universal or infinite in size then it is qualify for tier upgrade, of course countless D HDE is fine since for HDE you don't need dimensions to be significant in size
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The Gate has statements that imply infinite sizes. These are already linked in OP and in the past thread discussing the higher dimensions.
 
Vietthai96 said:
Anyway, countless D is fine. 维度 is indeed referring to spatial dimension, or dimensionality, so there's no point denying this

However, is there proof for all of these dimensions being significant??
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Well, I'm not exactly an expert of the series as of now but we do have a scan that says the beings that resides at higher dimensions sees time as nothing but pages on a book or so. Similarly, The Hetero tower (mainly the Gate that resides in there) also sees lower dimension as maps in comparison to itself.

Soo the chances of dimensions being insignificant is quite unlikely from a perspective.

Vietthai96 said:
Need so sleep, but if you could find proofs that dimensions are universal or infinite in size then it is qualify for tier upgrade, of course countless D HDE is fine since for HDE you don't need dimensions to be significant in size
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We have countless scans to prove infinite size of the universe itself but that's all about it.
 
Vietthai96 said:
Need so sleep, but if you could find proofs that dimensions are universal or infinite in size then it is qualify for tier upgrade, of course countless D HDE is fine since for HDE you don't need dimensions to be significant in size
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The concepts of "beginning" and "end" do not exist in this dimension. Time is like building blocks, existing solely for the entertainment of the owner of the dimension
To those beings who dwell in a higher dimension, the stars may just resemble toys, spinning around in their hands like music boxes
 
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Vietthai96 said:
Need so sleep, but if you could find proofs that dimensions are universal or infinite in size then it is qualify for tier upgrade, of course countless D HDE is fine since for HDE you don't need dimensions to be significant in size
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Sure, the aforementioned scan from Hayato above my reply is one.
 
LephyrTheRevanchist said:
The Gate has statements that imply infinite sizes. These are already linked in OP and in the past thread discussing the higher dimensions.
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The Gate being of infinite size isn't enough. It has to extend infinitely along each of its extra dimensions, and that's not something you can assume just because the Gate is infinitely sized. That's not something that's been substantiated in any of the previous threads nor has it been substantiated here. In fact, it's been accepted that there's at least one case where an extra dimension in the verse isn't significant.
 
Telomera said:
The Gate being of infinite size isn't enough. It has to extend infinitely along each of its extra dimensions, and that's not something you can assume just because the Gate is infinitely sized. That's not something that's been substantiated in any of the previous threads nor has it been substantiated here. In fact, it's been accepted that there's at least one case where an extra dimension in the verse isn't significant.
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It has been explained in a previous thread and this one lol, your tenaciousness in trying so hard to use the lower level of the Hetero Tower as a way to contest the Gate's scaling is never going to work. You're comparing apples to oranges with the silver lining of them both being fruits at that point.
 
AlipheeseXIV said:
It has been explained in a previous thread and this one lol, your tenaciousness in trying so hard to use the lower level of the Hetero Tower as a way to contest the Gate's scaling is never going to work. You're comparing apples to oranges with the silver lining of them both being fruits at that point.
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This thread is where all the info regarding significant extra dimensions was supposedly given (you said it yourself that you wouldn't go over it on this thread), but all that was ever "explained" was that the Gate has two significant extra dimensions. That's it. That is not something that you can extrapolate to all of its other countless extra dimensions, that would be stupid.
 
Telomera said:
This thread is where all the info regarding significant extra dimensions was supposedly given (you said it yourself that you wouldn't go over it on this thread), but all that was ever "explained" was that the Gate has two significant extra dimensions. That's it.
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That was before the countless dimension scan was translated, so of course since this source of information was not in my hands at the time I naturally wasn't able to mention it. This is a live service game, it ordinarily shouldn't be this hard to wrap your head around the fact that new chapters release, with new feats and statements that can and have reinforced older characters, powers, abilities or in this case higher dimensional constructs. That's not limited to just live service games, that's fiction in general. If you wanna argue against that fact you are free to go and debunk this entire wiki.
Telomera said:
That is not something that you can extrapolate to all of its other countless extra dimensions, that would be stupid.
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And who are to say that? A knowledgeable member of the series? A staff member? You're neither, I can extrapolate it and I have proof to do so. Now, whether you believe that to be stupid can personally be explained to the 2 staff who agreed. Have fun.
 
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