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[AlipheeseXIV]

26 Dimensions nearly always refer to Bosonic String Theory, which involves dimensions that are not infinite in size and are instead strings of atoms that are bent to go into higher dimensional space. This would never grant you higher dimensional AP.

I've seen other series use string theory so I don't understand this, but regardless this isn't relevant anymore as the main proposal is the focus right now so this can be completely ignored.

For the Gate, it containing countless dimensions while being vaguely large in size can warrant a 1-B rating. But really, the points that @Telomera brought up all seem valid to me. Just because Gate is big and can stretch into extra dimensions, doesn't mean that it does so to an infinite degree.

Yeah but it's not vaguely large in size, as shown with Sonic's reply above, we have statements that both imply infinite size (such as the Gate having no concept of beginning or end and it being unrestricted by spatial rules) and statements that verbatim refers to the Gate itself as a universe (here, here and here). However, if you have already read them and still vote possibly then that's fine.

The quotes for transcending time and space don't pass the hyperbolic test in my view, so I'm against a Low 1-A rating.

What? We were never trying to vote for L1A.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

But we do have it:

Having "concept" of neither having "beginning nor end" do not "exist in this dimension" should be more than enough since it’s describing the fundamental quality of the dimension itself. I don’t think this should be limited only to time especially when the Gate is portrayed as the very highest point beyond all countless spatial dimensions and even time itself.

It also shouldn't be limited because "the concepts of beginning and end do not exist in this dimension." and "time is like building blocks, existing solely for the entertainment of the owner of the dimension." are 2 separate sentences and aren't strictly referencing one over the other, what changes that is the evidence that we have.

 

[Qawsedf234]

We were never trying to vote for L1A.

I mean, the guy before you is arguing for it right now.

Having "concept" of neither having "beginning nor end" do not "exist in this dimension" should be more than enough since it’s describing the fundamental quality of the dimension itself

It's not, because having an endless or infinite concept can be achieved with any Type 2 Concept.

top of that, the Gate’s dimension is explicitly said to be unrestricted by spatial rules which strongly implies its transcendence quality. So, don’t you think it already checks off all the key points without much issue?

No, I think all of them being infinite from a human perspective is not enough to indicate that they're equivalent to a Vonn Neumann Universe set. We even notes explicitly in the FAQ that being unbound by things is not evidence

Moreover, it should also be noted that simply existing in some alternate state of existence that lacks time and/or space is not really grounds for any tier in particular, as predating or lacking such things does not translate to being superior to them, and would most often overlap with abilities like Acausality or Nonexistent Physiology. A good example of a case like this is Dormammu (Marvel Cinematic Universe), who is stated to exist in a realm "far beyond time," yet never actually displays any superiority over it, and is in fact vulnerable to time-based abilities due to his timeless nature.

So like I said, I'm fine with possibly 1-B for the countless dimensions stuff. Not fine with using the 26D statement or the Low 1-A proposal.

 

[Qawsedf234]

I've seen other series use string theory so I don't understand this

Assuming those franchises aren't mis-tiered, which is very common, then they're usually backed up by a dimensional membrane statement or evidence that every aspect of the cosmology is infinite.

String dimensions on their own do not qualify for Tier 1 ratings.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

"Possibly 1-B" seems fine to apply then.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

I mean, the guy before you is arguing for it right now.

Uhh...I don't think that was their intent, if you're referring to them stating that L1A dimensions are no exceptions I think it was simply to highlight a point rather than make that the crux of an argument.

Assuming those franchises aren't mis-tiered, which is very common, then they're usually backed up by a dimensional membrane statement or evidence that every aspect of the cosmology is infinite.

String dimensions on their own do not qualify for Tier 1 ratings.

Okay, well I wasn't trying to strictly imply that string dimensions on their own qualify for tier 1 ratings. So that's fine.

So like I said, I'm fine with possibly 1-B for the countless dimensions stuff. Not fine with using the 26D statement or the Low 1-A proposal.

Okay, well that's 3 votes then.

 

[Vietthai96]

Okay, well that's 3 votes then.

Remember the Countless D HDE is solid rating regardless of dimension is big or not, and this also attribute to Extradimensional rating, of course who get these thing is the issue on your end, i don't play the game so idk

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Remember the Countless D HDE is solid rating regardless of dimension is big or not, and this also attribute to Extradimensional rating, of course who get these thing is the issue on your end, i don't play the game so idk

I'm sorry can you elaborate a bit more on that? Everything here only scales specifically to characters who can create/destroy/heavily affect this stuff.

 

[Vietthai96]

I'm sorry can you elaborate a bit more on that? Everything here only scales specifically to characters who can create/destroy/heavily affect this stuff.

HDE is Higher-Dimensional Existence, as long as you possesses more than 3 basic dimensions then you get the ability, regardless of their size

Extradimensional is range rating, mean you can reach to extral dimensions

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

HDE is Higher-Dimensional Existence, as long as you possesses more than 3 basic dimensions then you get the ability, regardless of their size

Extradimensional is range rating, mean you can reach to extral dimensions

Oh okay, I see what you mean yeah.

 

[SuperSonicTL]

I mean, the guy before you is arguing for it right now.

Uhhh... Nobody here is trying to argue Low 1-A? If you are referring to me then that was only an example I was providing to justify boundary argument.

It's not, because having an endless or infinite concept can be achieved with any Type 2 Concept.

So you agree the realm in question is infinite?

 

[SuperSonicTL]

Anyways, I think it's fine to apply it like this. Thanks for taking your time here, everyone. Have a nice day to y'all.

 

[Vietthai96]

Uhhh... Nobody here is trying to argue Low 1-A? If you are referring to me then that was only an example I was providing to justify boundary argument.

You arguing for beyond the boundaries of dimension or space, whatever it is, is arguing for Low 1-A

 

[SuperSonicTL]

You arguing for beyond the boundaries of dimension or space, whatever it is, is arguing for Low 1-A

I never meant to imply that though... I think I should’ve been clearer earlier. What I was really trying to say is that the Gate represents the end point of all the dimensions and time we currently experience, not something beyond all dimensionality. In other words, I see it as the last spatial dimension not as something outside of space and dimensional structure entirely.

 

[Hayato5652]

okay, well that's 3 votes then.

Do the character pages need to be opened now for the changes to be applied?

• Ishmael
• Lee

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Do the character pages need to be opened now for the changes to be applied?

• Ishmael
• Lee

I opened Ishmael, Lee was already opened

 

[Hayato5652]

Thank you very much, I’m grateful to all those who helped in this CRT

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

I opened Ishmael, Lee was already opened

Thank you, also can close this.

 

[Vietthai96]

Thank you, also can close this.

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