Percy Jackson Speed Upgrade

[Mazdoesstuff]

Him not being able to perceive or see something that is tens of thousands of times slower than him if he is rel+ is a joke
You are not getting out of this one it was blatantly stated he had trouble parrying those bullets

Regardless this argument wouldn’t apply as it was pre-AC Percy. The Achilles Curse massively increases ones capabilities, which is obvious considering he was able to overpower Hades’ physical form and fight on par with Titans; something nobody but Jason could do

 

[Mazdoesstuff]

Was the bullet behind him? Since if it was then obviously Percy couldn't see it

Idk abt being behind but the way the scan describes it has nothing to do with his reactions capabilities, it could be either

1. Being out of his field of view
2. He simply wasn’t paying attention to the bullet

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Idk abt being behind but the way the scan describes it has nothing to do with his reactions capabilities, it could be either

1. Being out of his field of view
2. He simply wasn’t paying attention to the bullet

You clearly have not read the chapter we are referencing, and that is a bad look when you’re trying to dynamically upgrade a verse off a single feat. The Titan’s Curse chapter 12 is where he doesn’t see the bullet but blocks it.

“They stepped from the trees on either side of the road. Instead of gray camouflage, they were now wearing blue New Mexico State Police uniforms...They drew their handguns. The first skeleton fired. Time slowed down. I won't say I could see the bullet, but I could feel its path, the same way I felt water currents in the ocean. I deflected it off the edge of my blade and kept charging.”

He was staring dead at the skeleton, charging at it even, when it shot a gun at him. He then admits he didn’t see the bullet but felt it’s path, so he managed to block it.

You’re crying for scans but don’t provide any yourself.

The only other bullet dodging feat in this scuffle with skeletons is when he tries to pull up his cloak to protect himself after they fire, but is helped by the angels instead. If he could perceive bullets, and was thousands of times faster than them, he would be easily blocking all the attacks from these skeletons and seeing them in slow motion, not needing to tell a bullet’s path.

I’m not even calling for a downgrade here because the cast has feats higher than this bullet feat, but you’re attempting to claim they’re massively above everything else we’ve seen in the series with a terrible misinterpretation of a simple look away from something suddenly burning bright.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

You clearly have not read the chapter we are referencing, and that is a bad look when you’re trying to dynamically upgrade a verse off a single feat. The Titan’s Curse chapter 12 is where he doesn’t see the bullet but blocks it.

“They stepped from the trees on either side of the road. Instead of gray camouflage, they were now wearing blue New Mexico State Police uniforms...They drew their handguns. The first skeleton fired. Time slowed down. I won't say I could see the bullet, but I could feel its path, the same way I felt water currents in the ocean. I deflected it off the edge of my blade and kept charging.”

That implies Percy did reacted to the bullet, as he was well aware of its trajectory and could deflect it before it made contact with him

 

[Kingofwolves999]

That implies Percy did reacted to the bullet, as he was well aware of its trajectory and could deflect it before it made contact with him

incorrect, he couldn’t perceive it and therefore had to feel it’s path to hit it. Meaning it was comparable if not faster than his perception, but his training/instincts let him know where it was going to land, so he could block it.

Going from that to “he is actually several thousands of times faster than that bullet” is ridiculous.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

He goes from on guard, fully expecting gunfire from these skeletons, and needing to feel the bullets path to hit it, to “easily dodges light speed rays he didn’t know were coming with no issue”? That screams inaccurate interpretation.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

incorrect, he couldn’t perceive it and therefore had to feel it’s path to hit it. Meaning it was comparable if not faster than his perception, but his training/instincts let him know where it was going to land, so he could block it.

You still need to react in time, otherwise Percy wouldn't be able to lift a finger before the bullet would hit him. Besides, knowing the trajectory isn't enough, he needed to actually pull the sword at the right moment for him to deflect it

 

[Kingofwolves999]

You still need to react in time, otherwise Percy wouldn't be able to lift a finger before the bullet would hit him. Besides, knowing the trajectory isn't enough, he needed to actually pull the sword at the right moment for him to deflect it

Cool.

So how does that in any way imply he is over 800,000x faster than this bullet he couldn’t perceive.

 

[Mazdoesstuff]

He goes from on guard, fully expecting gunfire from these skeletons, and needing to feel the bullets path to hit it, to “easily dodges light speed rays with no issue”?

Putting words in my mouth lol

Going from that to “he is actually several thousands of times faster than that bullet” is ridiculous.

Massive distinction between pre-AC and post-AC Percy

He was staring dead at the skeleton, charging at it even, when it shot a gun at him. He then admits he didn’t see the bullet but felt it’s path, so he managed to block it.

Are you reading what you’re saying? This is still a bullet time feat, and doesn’t provide an anti feat for a MUCH STRONGER VERSION OF PERCY

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Cool.

So how does that in any way imply he is over 800,000x faster than this bullet he couldn’t perceive.

It doesn't. But you argued he couldn't percieve the bullet, which is wrong. He could definitely feel it and know where it was going, as well as react in time to avoid taking damage

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Um ….. while the feat is bunk as explained above, Imma just say that Percy is not only older but also amped by the Curse of Achilles against Hyperion so using a feat from Percy 2 years prior really doesn’t debunk relativistic (if it were actually true). A proper example of Percy not being relativistic is his fight against Hades right after getting the Curse when he looks at himself after and sees his clothes full of bullet holes from the undead army.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Putting words in my mouth lol

Massive distinction between pre-AC and post-AC Percy



Are you reading what you’re saying? This is still a bullet time feat, and doesn’t provide an anti feat for a MUCH STRONGER VERSION OF PERCY

Words in your mouth? You’re attempting to claim that Percy reacted to a Titan’s light show before the rays hit him because the sentence says he turned away and still got blinded.

Massive distinction? No where is it stated that Percy received an amp even comparable to over 800,000x his speed in the titan’s curse. The best that happened was the Achilles curse, and even then he was still getting tagged by several characters. Heck the first showing has him getting several hits made against and on him by Hades army, and him just bull rushing through them because he’s invincible, not because his speed increased so much he can blitz them. He LITERALLY GETS HIT BY BULLETS after getting the Achilles curse. “Massive distinction”? Not really.

When is it stated his speed got such a massive increase from the curse? And what if when he loses the curse? Is Percy now massively slower than he was with it?

You bring this up but not the fact that an even stronger version of Percy couldn’t even blitz lightning timers? Or that there are NO other relativistic feats in the verse? Or that your interpretation of the scene is simply incorrect in assuming he saw the light rays before they hit him and turned before as well? All off of 2 short sentences?

It doesn't. But you argued he couldn't percieve the bullet, which is wrong. He could definitely feel it and know where it was going, as well as react in time to avoid taking damage

He couldn’t perceive it, but he could react to it. Which means he has higher reaction speed. And still doesn’t mean anything for him being relativistic.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

He couldn’t perceive it, but he could react to it. Which means he has higher reaction speed. And still doesn’t mean anything for him being relativistic.

I never said anything about relativistic. I just said he definitely scales to the bullet feat since he actually reacted to it

 

[Armorchompy]

Um ….. while the feat is bunk as explained above, Imma just say that Percy is not only older but also amped by the Curse of Achilles against Hyperion so using a feat from Percy 2 years prior really doesn’t debunk relativistic (if it were actually true). A proper example of Percy not being relativistic is his fight against Hades right after getting the Curse when he looks at himself after and sees his clothes full of bullet holes from the undead army.

You could explain that as Percy just not caring about the bullets which would make sense considering he was in a sort of rage and was also bulletproof. But also, the feat still don't work.

 

[Mazdoesstuff]

But also, the feat still don't work.

Wish there was more context besides the individual sentence, I can’t really get much off of it

But Percy’s clothes being riddled with bullet holes isn’t a speed debunk either because it literally states that he wasn’t paying attention while he was fighting, he was just slashing and swinging and stabbing due to his invulnerability

 

[Cryo123]

Yeah supposedly there’s 6-C downgrades (which I don’t fully disagree with but eh), but now someone is senselessly trying to downscale the gods back to 6-A.

Regardless, a lot of “anti feats” I am capable of refuting

Ouch, I'm almost offended lmao

 

[Mazdoesstuff]

Ouch, I'm almost offended lmao

Lmao it’s not just you, there’s been a lot of attempted downgrades over the past few months for PJO

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Wish there was more context besides the individual sentence, I can’t really get much off of it

But Percy’s clothes being riddled with bullet holes isn’t a speed debunk either because it literally states that he wasn’t paying attention while he was fighting, he was just slashing and swinging and stabbing due to his invulnerability

So are you just going to ignore the rest of my points?

Is Percy massively slower without the curse of Achilles after losing it in Son of Neptune?

If so, why can’t Annabeth, who is comparable to Percy in speed while he has the curse, absolutely blitz him? Heck, doesn’t that make Annabeth the fastest Demigod out there? Was Annabeth thousands of times faster than Percy before he got the curse?

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Also, again, the feat itself isn’t even relativistic because you can’t prove he reacted before the rays hit him. There is no where near enough information to make that claim.

 

[Cryo123]

Also, again, the feat itself isn’t even relativistic because you can’t prove he reacted before the rays hit him. There is no where near enough information to make that claim.

We could use the graphic novel to see if there's evidence of him reacting before the attack happened.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

We could use the graphic novel to see if there's evidence of him reacting before the attack happened.

The graphic novel skipped the fight and only has 2 panels of Percy fighting Hyperion

 

[Cryo123]

The graphic novel skipped the fight and only has 2 panels of Percy fighting Hyperion

L

 

[InfiniteSped]

Either he moved his head a moment too late, or his neck muscles can move his head at close to the speed of light.

You don't need to try to find feats in everything, guys.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

L

Bigger L is that Annabeth is apparently capable of blitzing Percy and any of his enemies hundreds of thousands of times over but chooses not to because reasons I guess

 

[Violatas]

Anyways, we done here?
Feat is unfortunately bunked. I'd love rela Percy but the "feat" here is too shaky to use

 

[Cryo123]

Anyways, we done here?
Feat is unfortunately bunked. I'd love rela Percy but the "feat" here is too shaky to use

I think so sadly. I will mourn the Relativistic Percy that was never born

 

[Mazdoesstuff]

Is Percy massively slower without the curse of Achilles after losing it in Son of Neptune?

I need to reread it so can’t answer it yet

If so, why can’t Annabeth, who is comparable to Percy in speed while he has the curse, absolutely blitz him?

Annabeth is not comparable in speed to Percy with the curse lol. They were relative before, but it’s simply untrue that Annabeth is close to Percy in speed

 

[Mazdoesstuff]

Anyways, we done here?
Feat is unfortunately bunked. I'd love rela Percy but the "feat" here is too shaky to use

Yeah probably, I’m gonna look for some more feats anyways

 

[Cryo123]

Yeah probably, I’m gonna look for some more feats anyways

That's the spirit!

 

[Kingofwolves999]

I need to reread it so can’t answer it yet

Annabeth is not comparable in speed to Percy with the curse lol. They were relative before, but it’s simply untrue that Annabeth is close to Percy in speed

Prove this statement about Annabeth.

Together they fought Cacus in the Staff of Hermes and were relative to each other, and that was Percy with the Curse, right before The Lost Hero.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

And where is it ever stated she was slower than him after the curse to even affirm he got a speed amp? Was a speed amp even stated? Where is the belief he got faster even coming from now that I think about it?

 

[Mazdoesstuff]

Prove this statement about Annabeth.

Annabeth is literally unable to land any hits on Kronos in the fight with Percy

 

[Cryo123]

Annabeth is literally unable to land any hits on Kronos in the fight with Percy

Could Percy be amped by adrenaline moreso than the curse? Humans can move a lot faster/stronger while stressed, and Percy is not holding back.

Annabeth's entire deal was that she was slower and weaker, but smarter than the rest of the cast, so she could be tagging a Percy not trying, and get blitzed by a serious Percy. That's what's implied at least.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Annabeth is literally unable to land any hits on Kronos in the fight with Percy

You mean the fight where he had time magic and was demonstrably stomping on all 3 of the people there including Percy? The one where she didn’t even try to really fight Kronos because she wanted to get through to Luke? That fight? Where she never tried like Percy did?

 

[Cryo123]

Could Percy be amped by adrenaline moreso than the curse? Humans can move a lot faster/are stronger while stressed, and Percy is not holding back.

Annabeth's entire deal was that she was slower and weaker, but smarter than the rest of the cast, so she could be tagging a Percy not trying, and get blitzed by a serious Percy. That's what's implied at least.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

“Annabeth is far slower than Kronos and Percy”

“Kronos whirled to face her and slashed with Backbiter, but somehow Annabeth caught the strike on her dagger hilt. It was a move only the quickest and most skilled knife fighter could've managed. Don't ask me where she found the strength, but she stepped in closer for leverage, their blades crossed, and for a moment she stood face-to-face with the Titan lord, holding him at a standstill.”

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Annabeth is literally one of the strongest and dealiest demigods alive. She survived the horros of Tartarus as much as Percy does, held the sky too and managed to keep up with the likes of Percy many times, even if she's physically weaker than him

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Annabeth is literally one of the strongest and dealiest demigods alive. She survived the horros of Tartarus as much as Percy does, held the sky too and managed to keep up with the likes of Percy many times, even if she's physically weaker than him

I know she’s one of the strongest. But does that = being 800,000x faster than Percy

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Uh no. She scales to him, or would actually be slower

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Uh no. She scales to him, or would actually be slower

For this assumption of relativistic to work, that is the difference of speed necessary.

It’s either she’s far, far faster than Percy is without his curse, or he didn’t get faster at all, in which case he should have absolutely lolblitzed a bullet from a skeleton.