Patrick Bateman Iq and Lifting strength downgrade

[G.O.A.T_Enjoyer]

I think he would fit best at “At least Above Average Human” unless he’s shown some weight training in the media. Also you’d need to prove he has better LS than the female Ghostfaces. Speaking of which, i should’ve included them in my revision for Scream’s LS since Amber and Nancy’s feats don’t even look like Athletic Human.

I am not even talking about Jill, whose only feat is overpowering weakend Sidney briefly.

 

[G.O.A.T_Enjoyer]

But I think Patrick's profile needs more edits, I will explain the downgrades and upscales one by one.
First he should get Breaking The Fourth Wall since he talks to audience and also Charisma for his Social Influencing, now I can start with downscales:
Speed(Travel): He is straight Athletic Human because his only feats are fitness and running the whole street in some minutes.
Durability: Straight Athletic Human, his only feats are yet again fitness and recieving a kick from an average woman to his face.
Upscales:
Attack Potency with weapons: If we consider all the murders are really happened (Even the director said at least some of the murders are real.) we must also calculate how much energy did Patrick create in the scene when he fought the cops that is he destroyed and exploded 2 police cars.
Speed(Attack or Combat) with weapons: Attacks people before they could react or dodge, killed janitor while revolving gate is turning. If we consider he attacks people they could react or dodge that means he attacks before eye could realize thus scales to Subsonic.
Striking Strength: Street Level; killed a dog in two stomps (Others were just to enjoy from it.), tore woman's breast by biting it, told he can break bones in one of his feats; higher with melee weapons. Higher than Gale Weathers, Sidney Prescott, Samantha Carpenter and Tara Carpenter who are also Street Level.
Stamina: Peak Human or At least Athletic Human, likely Peak Human; Patrick's 1000 crunches feat outscales straight Athletic Level. Here a site calculates a person's standards for crunches, keep in my mind while calculating it: Patrick is 190 IBS and is 27 years old. Also if you try to insert 1000 repetitions on calculator, it will not accept it.
What do you think?

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

But I think Patrick's profile needs more edits, I will explain the downgrades and upscales one by one.
First he should get Breaking The Fourth Wall since he talks to audience and also Charisma for his Social Influencing, now I can start with downscales:

That's just narration. That doesn't count as breaking the 4th wall. If Patrick turned to the audience & started speaking to them with his actual mouth, then that would be breaking the 4th wall. But no, it's just narration. And by that logic, any character that narrates their own story or tells it from a 1st person POV should have 4th wall breaking. Simply being the narrator of your movie doesn't give you 4th wall awareness

Speed(Travel): He is straight Athletic Human because his only feats are fitness and running the whole street in some minutes.

I don't think that's enough on its own to classify for Athletic Human. Running down a street isn't that hard. Unless he did it super fast or something, then I don't think he should have it

Durability: Straight Athletic Human, his only feats are yet again fitness and recieving a kick from an average woman to his face

Taking a kick from a regular person is only support for Human level. I agree with Athlete level because he's in very good shape, but just taking a kick from a normal untrained woman isn't enough to qualify for that

Attack Potency with weapons: If we consider all the murders are really happened (Even the director said at least some of the murders are real.) we must also calculate how much energy did Patrick create in the scene when he fought the cops that is he destroyed and exploded 2 police cars

1. We don't know if that scene is even real or not
2. He exploded it becaue he hit the gas tank of the car, not because his guns are that powerful. He can't just cassually throw out Small Building level explosions anytime he wants in a normal fight (also that has already been calculated, a cars gas tank exploding is Small Building level)

Speed(Attack or Combat) with weapons: Attacks people before they could react or dodge, killed janitor while revolving gate is turning. If we consider he attacks people they could react or dodge that means he attacks before eye could realize thus scales to Subsonic

No, that's not how it works at all. To classify for subsonic, you have to move litteraly as fast as a blur to the point where the human eye can't process it. Their eyes are processing his attacks just fine, they just aren't reacting to it fast enough. The human eye can process things shown in front of it for 13 ms, while it takes 200 ms for your average person to react. That's a 187 ms difference between being able to see something and being able to react to it.

Attacking people before they can react is something martial artists do all the time. People like Bruce Lee did it with other professional fighters constantly. This wouldn't qualify for anything above Athlete - Peak Human reaction & combat speeds.

This also isn't even accounting for the fact that litteraly every single person in those clips didn't know that they were about to be attacked. If you're off guard and don't know that the guy you're looking at is about to attack you (like litteraly every person in the clips you've shown) then your reaction time is going to be WAY slower, to the point where I think any normal person with Average Human reaction & combat speed could preform the same speed feats Patrick does

So no, this wouldn't be even close to Subsonic. I honestly don't think that this would classify for anything higher than Average Human reaction & combat speed

Striking Strength: Street Level; killed a dog in two stomps (Others were just to enjoy from it.), tore woman's breast by biting it, told he can break bones in one of his feats; higher with melee weapons. Higher than Gale Weathers, Sidney Prescott, Samantha Carpenter and Tara Carpenter who are also Street Level.

Absolutely not

Firstly, the dog thing. That was a small dog, it wouldn't take too much effort to kill it. If it was a big dog like a German Shephard or a Husky or something, then I could see some justification for that. But that dog was a very small dog not even fighting back. I've talked before in previous threads how even larger dogs just barely qualify for Human level & can be killed by most regular humans. I can link some of my previous sources I've used in past threads if you want

For the biting through flesh, normal people can do worse. A single google search shows that biting through flesh enough for it to profusely bleed is very common for humans. I've worked in hospitals before, and I've seen human bites. You'd be amazed at what a determined human can do with their bites to another human. This isn't too impressive

The bone breaking feat would be 9-C, if it ever happened in the movie. It might've & I might just be forgetting it, but from what I remember, Patrick never breaks anyones bones in the movie. I think that's just a book feat that needs to be removed since composite characters aren't allowed. If it did actually happen in the movie, then yes, he'd be Street level for bone breaking

As for the scaling to Scream characters, stop it. They're different verses. And you have no proof that he's stronger than them. You have to actually give proof that Patrick is stronger than characters like Sidney Prescott. You can't just say "well he's obviously stronger than them so he should scale to them" They're from different verses with different feats and power levels. There is litteraly no proof that Patrick is stronger than them other than your opinion. If we're playing that game, then I actually think Patrick Bateman should be 10-B because I personally think that Arthur Fleck is stronger than him, it's obvious, and Arthur Fleck is 10-A, so thus Patrick should be 10-B. So boom, 10-B Patrick Bateman (although Arthur Fleck unironically deserves Street level but that's a whole different conversation for a whole different CRT)

Stamina: Peak Human or At least Athletic Human, likely Peak Human; Patrick's 1000 crunches feat outscales straight Athletic Level. Here a site calculates a person's standards for crunches, keep in my mind while calculating it: Patrick is 190 IBS and is 27 years old. Also if you try to insert 1000 repetitions on calculator, it will not accept it

I don't know what this site is on, it's really easy to do 100 crunches. I've done 500 before and I'm sure as hell not elite or "Peak Human" in stamina. I think most people that work out at least semi-regularly can slam at least 200 (though who knows I might just be overestimating your average gym-goer)

The world record is 20,000 crunches in 5 hours, so I'd say you'd have to get at least somewhere around that in order to qualify for Peak Human stamina. In the meantime though, I think "Athletic Human" stamina should be fine as again, Patrick is in good shape and didn't seem very fatigued after killing people, which takes a lot of energy... I think. Idk I've never killed someone. But I have done plenty of crunches before and it's not that hard.

 

[G.O.A.T_Enjoyer]

That's just narration. That doesn't count as breaking the 4th wall. If Patrick turned to the audience & started speaking to them with his actual mouth, then that would be breaking the 4th wall. But no, it's just narration. And by that logic, any character that narrates their own story or tells it from a 1st person POV should have 4th wall breaking. Simply being the narrator of your movie doesn't give you 4th wall awareness

I don't think that's enough on its own to classify for Athletic Human. Running down a street isn't that hard. Unless he did it super fast or something, then I don't think he should have it

Taking a kick from a regular person is only support for Human level. I agree with Athlete level because he's in very good shape, but just taking a kick from a normal untrained woman isn't enough to qualify for that

1. We don't know if that scene is even real or not
2. He exploded it becaue he hit the gas tank of the car, not because his guns are that powerful. He can't just cassually throw out Small Building level explosions anytime he wants in a normal fight (also that has already been calculated, a cars gas tank exploding is Small Building level)

No, that's not how it works at all. To classify for subsonic, you have to move litteraly as fast as a blur to the point where the human eye can't process it. Their eyes are processing his attacks just fine, they just aren't reacting to it fast enough. The human eye can process things shown in front of it for 13 ms, while it takes 200 ms for your average person to react. That's a 187 ms difference between being able to see something and being able to react to it.

Attacking people before they can react is something martial artists do all the time. People like Bruce Lee did it with other professional fighters constantly. This wouldn't qualify for anything above Athlete - Peak Human reaction & combat speeds.

This also isn't even accounting for the fact that litteraly every single person in those clips didn't know that they were about to be attacked. If you're off guard and don't know that the guy you're looking at is about to attack you (like litteraly every person in the clips you've shown) then your reaction time is going to be WAY slower, to the point where I think any normal person with Average Human reaction & combat speed could preform the same speed feats Patrick does

So no, this wouldn't be even close to Subsonic. I honestly don't think that this would classify for anything higher than Average Human reaction & combat speed

Absolutely not

Firstly, the dog thing. That was a small dog, it wouldn't take too much effort to kill it. If it was a big dog like a German Shephard or a Husky or something, then I could see some justification for that. But that dog was a very small dog not even fighting back. I've talked before in previous threads how even larger dogs just barely qualify for Human level & can be killed by most regular humans. I can link some of my previous sources I've used in past threads if you want

For the biting through flesh, normal people can do worse. A single google search shows that biting through flesh enough for it to profusely bleed is very common for humans. I've worked in hospitals before, and I've seen human bites. You'd be amazed at what a determined human can do with their bites to another human. This isn't too impressive

The bone breaking feat would be 9-C, if it ever happened in the movie. It might've & I might just be forgetting it, but from what I remember, Patrick never breaks anyones bones in the movie. I think that's just a book feat that needs to be removed since composite characters aren't allowed. If it did actually happen in the movie, then yes, he'd be Street level for bone breaking

As for the scaling to Scream characters, stop it. They're different verses. And you have no proof that he's stronger than them. You have to actually give proof that Patrick is stronger than characters like Sidney Prescott. You can't just say "well he's obviously stronger than them so he should scale to them" They're from different verses with different feats and power levels. There is litteraly no proof that Patrick is stronger than them other than your opinion. If we're playing that game, then I actually think Patrick Bateman should be 10-B because I personally think that Arthur Fleck is stronger than him, it's obvious, and Arthur Fleck is 10-A, so thus Patrick should be 10-B. So boom, 10-B Patrick Bateman (although Arthur Fleck unironically deserves Street level but that's a whole different conversation for a whole different CRT)

I don't know what this site is on, it's really easy to do 100 crunches. I've done 500 before and I'm sure as hell not elite or "Peak Human" in stamina. I think most people that work out at least semi-regularly can slam at least 200 (though who knows I might just be overestimating your average gym-goer)

The world record is 20,000 crunches in 5 hours, so I'd say you'd have to get at least somewhere around that in order to qualify for Peak Human stamina. In the meantime though, I think "Athletic Human" stamina should be fine as again, Patrick is in good shape and didn't seem very fatigued after killing people, which takes a lot of energy... I think. Idk I've never killed someone. But I have done plenty of crunches before and it's not that hard.

Arthur Fleck>Patrick Bateman? Yeah, okay I will stop this or else I will lose my mind and won't sleep well. I mean a skinny, mentally loner man vs buffed serial killer.
Also do you really think stomping with heels to Roman's foot>stomping dog's skull, if so this thing is going even absurd place.

 

[Employe]

Arthur Fleck>Patrick Bateman? Yeah, okay I will stop this or else I will lose my mind and won't sleep well. I mean a skinny, mentally loner man vs buffed serial killer.
Also do you really think stomping with heels to Roman's foot>stomping dog's skull, if so this thing is going even absurd place.

Buffs does not necessarily proves anything, feats does, especially in the satirical fiction with a clearly exaggerated setting (Which is what American Psycho)

I can agree with Peak Stamina argument, but everything else were appropriately refuted

And stop acting hysterical like these rankings determinates your life and targeting completely foreign characters as means to uphold your position. This is just obnoxious, and you only embarass youself with such bursts in my and everone else's eyes

 

[HorrorHistory]

Only thing I’m getting from this thread that seems changeable is his LS at At least Above Average Human and his stamina at somewhat around Peak Human from what I see.

 

[Employe]

Only thing I’m getting from this thread that seems changeable is his LS at At least Above Average Human and his stamina at somewhat around Peak Human from what I see.

And that profile should be completely revised and preferably split into 3 different ones

And remove wrong information from IQ section

 

[G.O.A.T_Enjoyer]

And that profile should be completely revised and preferably split into 3 different ones

And remove wrong information from IQ section

Yeah, also if he didn't break any bones in movie that should be removed too. I said it because I also claimed he's street level due to breaking bones feat.

 

[Employe]

Yeah, also if he didn't break any bones in movie that should be removed too. I said it because I also claimed he's street level due to breaking bones feat.

Need to replace Law School with Business School

Also, by the way, is there any thoughtful reason to provide him rating of "10-A, likely higher" and not just bare "10-A", taking into accounting lack of feats?

There is absolutely nothing to indicate that he scales at Tier 9 and deserves such evaluation

 

[G.O.A.T_Enjoyer]

Need to replace Law School with Business School

Also, by the way, is there any thoughtful reason to provide him rating of "10-A, likely higher" and not just bare "10-A", taking into accounting lack of feats?

There is absolutely nothing to indicate that he scales at Tier 9 and deserves such evaluation

No, he is nice as higher Athlete level. Durability and Speed also mentioned as ''At least and likely higher'' and don't forget he will have Peak Human Stamina with PHPC after upload that's enough for him if he won't get Street Level.

 

[Employe]

No, he is nice as higher Athlete level. Durability and Speed also mentioned as ''At least and likely higher'' and don't forget he will have Peak Human Stamina with PHPC after upload that's enough for him if he won't get Street Level.

He has 9-C stamina but that's about it

Being "Higher into Athlete level" is still gets marked as plain 10-A

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

Arthur Fleck>Patrick Bateman? Yeah, okay I will stop this or else I will lose my mind and won't sleep well. I mean a skinny, mentally loner man vs buffed serial killer.
Also do you really think stomping with heels to Roman's foot>stomping dog's skull, if so this thing is going even absurd place.

1. That's not the point here, I'm just showing you that your logic is flawed

2. This isn't real life. This is fiction. And in fiction, you can make your characters as strong/weak as you want and give them any physique you want because it's made up. They could make Arthur Fleck a twig but as strong as the damn Hulk if they wanted. Arthur has numerous feats that are far above what a normal person can do and in the movie he overpowers and restraigns Alfred, who's pretty stocky in this universe, as well as wrestles with police officers & overpowers them and overpowers and kills a very large man, bashing his head against a wall hard enough to kill him. I'm not going to go too in-depth on this since this isn't what the thread is about, but this video explains why Arthur curbstomps Patrick pretty well

3. The Scream verse has feats that are Street level+. Any ghostface or scream protagonist one-shots Patrick Bateman dozens of times over

I can agree with Peak Stamina argument, but everything else were appropriately refuted

1,000 crunches isn't peak human stamina at all. You do know how easy a crunch is right? It's this. It's like the easiest workout on the planet. The world record is 20,000. Patrick isn't even 1/20th of a peak human in stamina. I have no idea what drugs that one website was on. Unless you have a f*cking health defect or something any normal person who has never seen a gym in their life can easily do bare minimum like 10 - 20

 

[Qawsedf234]

Intelligence: Above Average (Is a quite intelligent person, despite his insanity, and bears knack of creativity at murders and tortures. Able to manipulate own peers and get away from commited crimes, though he primary does it through nepotism and own status, as well as due to general apathy and ignorance of people around)

Well we can just look at the page for this

Above Average: Characters that show greater cognitive ability than the norm, but do not particularly stand out in any intellectual or academic fields.

Gifted: Characters who demonstrate high reasoning ability, can master difficult concepts with few repetitions, and display high performance capability or notable mastery in intellectual or specific academic fields, which makes them equivalent to real-world experts in these areas.

Bateman doesn't show himself to have any of the qualifications for Gifted afaik other than power scaling him (for some reason) to other Havard graduates.

Above Average however, would be supported by the Harvard thing and his general ability to manipulate others/creativity.

So personally I think the downgrade is warranted, but imo the Harvard thing should still be included.

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

No, he is nice as higher Athlete level. Durability and Speed also mentioned as ''At least and likely higher'' and don't forget he will have Peak Human Stamina with PHPC after upload that's enough for him if he won't get Street Level.

You need to be street level to have Peak Human Physical Characteristics. That's like, the whole point of Street level. If you aren't Street level, you don't get peak human physical characteristics. Those 2 are pretty much the same thing. 2 peas in the same pod. You can't have one but not the other (unless you're really high Street level in which case you got Superhuman Physical Characteristics). So that would need to be removed too

 

[Employe]

1. That's not the point here, I'm just showing you that your logic is flawed

2. This isn't real life. This is fiction. And in fiction, you can make your characters as strong/weak as you want and give them any physique you want because it's made up. They could make Arthur Fleck a twig but as strong as the damn Hulk if they wanted. Arthur has numerous feats that are far above what a normal person can do and in the movie he overpowers and restraigns Alfred, who's pretty stocky in this universe, as well as wrestles with police officers & overpowers them and overpowers and kills a very large man, bashing his head against a wall hard enough to kill him. I'm not going to go too in-depth on this since this isn't what the thread is about, but this video explains why Arthur curbstomps Patrick pretty well

3. The Scream verse has feats that are Street level+. Any ghostface or scream protagonist one-shots Patrick Bateman dozens of times over

1,000 crunches isn't peak human stamina at all. You do know how easy a crunch is right? It's this. It's like the easiest workout on the planet. The world record is 20,000. Patrick isn't even 1/20th of a peak human in stamina. I have no idea what drugs that one website was on. Unless you have a f*cking health defect or something any normal person who has never seen a gym in their life can easily do bare minimum like 10 - 20

Your notion is fair, but I now wish to focus attention on his overall rating

Repeating my question: Here any substantial reasoning to give Bateman "10-A, likely Higher" instead of just "10-A"?

 

[Employe]

Well we can just look at the page for this

Bateman doesn't show himself to have any of the qualifications for Gifted afaik other than power scaling him (for some reason) to other Havard graduates.

Above Average however, would be supported by the Harvard thing and his general ability to manipulate others/creativity.

So personally I think the downgrade is warranted, but imo the Harvard thing should still be included.

I think you can say "Gifted in terms of academics, Above Average in common sense/problem-solving skills". Dude prior me literally said that it can be argued as such