Patrick Bateman downgrade

[Employe]

Director confirms at least some of the murders happened, and you can't prove it's one of them or not. Scientists prove 120+ IQ people could he creativity but still not a sign of intelligience. Also he literally aimed where he shoot and if still not, this doesn't change the fact he outskilled them. And also about bringing irrevalent characters, it's about comparing the character to other characters. And it's even easier to defend my idea.

It is doesn't matter whether some murder happened or not, especially since attornery could've covered everything

Outskilling two featless cops is not sufficient for Gifted intelligence (He didn't even actually outskilled them, because he just made car explode from several shots, which is by itself absurd and makes this scene questionable)

And what feats estimates him as holder of 120 IQ?

 

[G.O.A.T_Enjoyer]

It is doesn't matter whether some murder happened or not, especially since attornery could've covered everything

Outskilling two featless cops is not sufficient for Gifted intelligence (He didn't even actually outskilled them, because he just made car explode from several shots, which is by itself absurd and makes this scene questionable)

And what feats estimates him as holder of 120 IQ?

I think these feats are enough if we consider The Creeper scaled as gifted with only having bus feat.

 

[Employe]

I think these feats are enough if we consider The Creeper scaled as gifted with only having bus feat.

First

Creeper has way more feats than just it

Second

Stop flooding our dialogue with useless comparisons

And I can use same rhetoric and show characters with more impressive feats (Rick O'connel, Norman Bates and etc.) and they are just "Above Average"

 

[G.O.A.T_Enjoyer]

Oh yeah but there is only 1 feat and that one also why would I stop it? We both give our evidences to prove both of us wrong, now I have to give another evidences like this it's an effective way to prove I am right. You claim that you debunked my feats and I claim you didn't and then, Stalemate. So I have to give some different evidences such as comparing to other characters.

 

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[HorrorHistory]

I mean if he graduated from Harvard Law School, I don’t see how he wouldn’t be Gifted since Harvard is like a really hard school to get into with like a 3% acceptance rate.

If not then maybe just “At least Above Average, likely Gifted”

Patrick is very well built and does apparently 1000 crunches for exercise everyday. So he would most definitely be around the At least Above Average or maybe Athletic Human.

 

[Da3ggman]

Yeah, tbh connections are only really useful for getting into Ivy League colleges like Harvard. Nothing in the movie even hints at him having used his vague connections to “cheat” his way through Harvard lol. Just by graduating he should probably automatically become Gifted due to having taken and completed some of the hardest and best law programs in the entire world necessary to get his degree.

But I’m not apposed to Above Average, likely Gifted.

 

[Homie890]

meh,agree with above average,possibly gifted.

 

[G.O.A.T_Enjoyer]

Nah he's straight Gifted.
Harvard's Business School is one of the hardest Business schools in USA with 11,5 acceptance rate, if we consider Harvard is one of the hardest universties to study with 3,5, we all can appreciate he has more IQ than 120 and it's ''Superior'' according to Wechler' classification. It looks very hard to be succesful in Harvard with 110-119 IQ. And I also found a source that claims he has 125 IQ which fits him very nice if we consider an average student of Harvard University has 142 IQ.
Also his creative and meticulous planning of murders are notable either. One more thing in the chainsaw scene, I would bet on many people would chase Christie down to the stairs but he did something different and dropped the chainsaw, I am not even talking about he calculated the time and angle to drop that chainsaw in just 16 seconds. So he also has some problem solving and analytic thinking skills. Overall, I agree to Horror Box's 125 IQ estimitate and he should be stand at Gifted.

 

[Employe]

Yeah, tbh connections are only really useful for getting into Ivy League colleges like Harvard. Nothing in the movie even hints at him having used his vague connections to “cheat” his way through Harvard lol. Just by graduating he should probably automatically become Gifted due to having taken and completed some of the hardest and best law programs in the entire world necessary to get his degree.

But I’m not apposed to Above Average, likely Gifted.

But we can't be sure if he did it by himself either, it is still iffy at best and never was properly elaborated, but I think I can agree with "Above Average, possibly higher"

 

[Employe]

Nah he's straight Gifted.
Harvard's Business School is one of the hardest Business schools in USA with 11,5 acceptance rate, if we consider Harvard is one of the hardest universties to study with 3,5, we all can appreciate he has more IQ than 120 and it's ''Superior'' according to Wechler' classification. It looks very hard to be succesful in Harvard with 110-119 IQ. And I also found a source that claims he has 125 IQ which fits him very nice if we consider an average student of Harvard University has 142 IQ.
Also his creative and meticulous planning of murders are notable either. One more thing in the chainsaw scene, I would bet on many people would chase Christie down to the stairs but he did something different and dropped the chainsaw, I am not even talking about he calculated the time and angle to drop that chainsaw in just 16 seconds. So he also has some problem solving and analytic thinking skills. Overall, I agree to Horror Box's 125 IQ estimitate and he should be stand at Gifted.

Ignoring the Harward part, everything here only pretends on Above Average

Here is a big difference between IQ of 125 and 142

 

[Employe]

I mean if he graduated from Harvard Law School, I don’t see how he wouldn’t be Gifted since Harvard is like a really hard school to get into with like a 3% acceptance rate.

If not then maybe just “At least Above Average, likely Gifted”

Patrick is very well built and does apparently 1000 crunches for exercise everyday. So he would most definitely be around the At least Above Average or maybe Athletic Human.

I think "At least Above Average human" fits more due to lack of feat

 

[G.O.A.T_Enjoyer]

Ignoring the Harward part, everything here only pretends on Above Average

Here big difference between IQ of 125 and 142

It's the number of Composite Harvard Students, and Patrick's IQ would help to escalate this number also no hints given about the his acces to university with corruption neither in novel nor movie. Also I don't think calculating chainsaw drop in 15-16 seconds feat should be scale as above average.
And last 1 more thing about education feats, it upscales the character's IQ feat. The university graduate, senior, student and even high school graduate and senior makes character makes generally above average whereas Patrick graduated from one of the hardest universties to study and school so he should be higher than just it.

 

[Employe]

It's the number of Composite Harvard Students, and Patrick's IQ would help to escalate this number also no hints given about the his acces to university with corruption neither in novel nor movie. Also I don't think calculating chainsaw drop in 15-16 seconds feat should be scale as above average.
And last 1 more thing about education feats, it upscales the character's IQ feat. The university graduate, senior, student and even high school graduate and senior makes character makes generally above average whereas Patrick graduated from one of the hardest universties to study and school so he should be higher than just it.

You literally said "Average" and Patrick is below this

The whole theme about education wasn't explained and relies on speculation

He might have go through nepotism and might have not

And 125 fits Above Average

 

[Da3ggman]

But we can't be sure if he did it by himself either, it is still iffy at best and never was properly elaborated, but I think I can agree with "Above Average, possibly higher"

It's your head canon that he got help in the first place to make it through Harvard. Without it being elaborated on, the default assumption is that he just....did it normally. Btw, what kind of "help" do you think he was getting? Like, connections are all well and good, but they aren't going to let you pass an exam, or Hell, the Bar.

 

[HorrorHistory]

I’m still aligned with “At least Above Average, likely Gifted” for intellect and “At least Above Average Human” for Lifting Strength unless someone has any counter arguments

 

[Employe]

It's your head canon that he got help in the first place to make it through Harvard. Without it being elaborated on, the default assumption is that he just....did it normally. Btw, what kind of "help" do you think he was getting? Like, connections are all well and good, but they aren't going to let you pass an exam, or Hell, the Bar.

Because it what he does across story to cover crimes, but the second point is pretty fair, I'm can't be sure if contacts were able to help with graduation

 

[Employe]

I’m still aligned with “At least Above Average, likely Gifted” for intellect and “At least Above Average Human” for Lifting Strength unless someone has any counter arguments

Can agree

 

[Lukewoesal007]

The problem that he has no feats on such level. Being graduated from law school is not enough for Gifted

Not a single person on the thread pointed this out, but Patrick Bateman did not graduate from Harvard Law. He graduated from Harvard Business School. Regardless of whatever his intelligence rating becomes, that is a clerical error which should be fixed.

With that said, I think Patrick Bateman is arguably one of the most straightforwardly Gifted characters on the entire site, at least academically. Sure, you can argue his academic/business intelligence is Gifted, while his reasoning capabilities are lesser, but to make the assertion that obtaining a Master's Degree isn't enough for Gifted intelligence is just absurd, in my opinion. Take note of how Gifted is described in our own intelligence page:

Gifted: Characters who demonstrate high reasoning ability, can master difficult concepts with few repetitions, and display high performance capability or notable mastery in intellectual or specific academic fields, which makes them equivalent to real-world experts in these areas.

Now, read how the Australian Government (which, I know, is not American, but they award the same degrees, and their Master's programs have the same requirements as America's) describes a Master's Degree:

The Masters degree provides a mastery or high-order overview of a relevant field of study or area of professional practice.

Of course, this is just a very general overview, and what one learns from their time in graduate school is entirely dependent on the individual. I'm not trying to make the claim that a Master's Degree magically gives you Gifted intelligence, but rather that the entire purpose of the curriculum of a Master's Degree is to provide students with a level of knowledge worthy of "Gifted" intelligence, as per our definition. So, if Patrick Bateman not only successfully obtained his Master's Degree, but also obtained it from one of the most prestigious institutions in the country, I think he is clearly Gifted.

not to mention that he most likely did it via contacts and status

Do you have a specific piece of evidence to back this up?

 

[Da3ggman]

Not a single person on the thread pointed this out, but Patrick Bateman did not graduate from Harvard Law. He graduated from Harvard Business School. Regardless of whatever his intelligence rating becomes, that is a clerical error which should be fixed.

I am a fake fan fr....

Joking aside, good post, I'm back to full on Gifted now.

 

[Employe]

Not a single person on the thread pointed this out, but Patrick Bateman did not graduate from Harvard Law. He graduated from Harvard Business School. Regardless of whatever his intelligence rating becomes, that is a clerical error which should be fixed.

With that said, I think Patrick Bateman is arguably one of the most straightforwardly Gifted characters on the entire site, at least academically. Sure, you can argue his academic/business intelligence is Gifted, while his reasoning capabilities are lesser, but to make the assertion that obtaining a Master's Degree isn't enough for Gifted intelligence is just absurd, in my opinion. Take note of how Gifted is described in our own intelligence page:

Now, read how the Australian Government (which, I know, is not American, but they award the same degrees, and their Master's programs have the same requirements as America's) describes a Master's Degree:

Of course, this is just a very general overview, and what one learns from their time in graduate school is entirely dependent on the individual. I'm not trying to make the claim that a Master's Degree magically gives you Gifted intelligence, but rather that the entire purpose of the curriculum of a Master's Degree is to provide students with a level of knowledge worthy of "Gifted" intelligence, as per our definition. So, if Patrick Bateman not only successfully obtained his Master's Degree, but also obtained it from one of the most prestigious institutions in the country, I think he is clearly Gifted.

Do you have a specific piece of evidence to back this up?

Actually, sounds fair

I still for donwgrading lifting strength to "At least Above Average"

 

[Homie890]

yeah,Luke arguments convinced me.
gifted is fine.

 

[G.O.A.T_Enjoyer]

Not a single person on the thread pointed this out, but Patrick Bateman did not graduate from Harvard Law. He graduated from Harvard Business School. Regardless of whatever his intelligence rating becomes, that is a clerical error which should be fixed.

With that said, I think Patrick Bateman is arguably one of the most straightforwardly Gifted characters on the entire site, at least academically. Sure, you can argue his academic/business intelligence is Gifted, while his reasoning capabilities are lesser, but to make the assertion that obtaining a Master's Degree isn't enough for Gifted intelligence is just absurd, in my opinion. Take note of how Gifted is described in our own intelligence page:

Now, read how the Australian Government (which, I know, is not American, but they award the same degrees, and their Master's programs have the same requirements as America's) describes a Master's Degree:

Of course, this is just a very general overview, and what one learns from their time in graduate school is entirely dependent on the individual. I'm not trying to make the claim that a Master's Degree magically gives you Gifted intelligence, but rather that the entire purpose of the curriculum of a Master's Degree is to provide students with a level of knowledge worthy of "Gifted" intelligence, as per our definition. So, if Patrick Bateman not only successfully obtained his Master's Degree, but also obtained it from one of the most prestigious institutions in the country, I think he is clearly Gifted.

Do you have a specific piece of evidence to back this up?

Oh yeah Business School my bad, sorry sir or buddy, whichever would you like to take.

 

[Employe]

I think his current profile should be split on 3 distinct pages, because Novel, Movie and Lunar Park are frankly different from each (He's apparently Multiversal in Lunar Park)

 

[HorrorHistory]

Not a single person on the thread pointed this out, but Patrick Bateman did not graduate from Harvard Law. He graduated from Harvard Business School. Regardless of whatever his intelligence rating becomes, that is a clerical error which should be fixed.

With that said, I think Patrick Bateman is arguably one of the most straightforwardly Gifted characters on the entire site, at least academically. Sure, you can argue his academic/business intelligence is Gifted, while his reasoning capabilities are lesser, but to make the assertion that obtaining a Master's Degree isn't enough for Gifted intelligence is just absurd, in my opinion. Take note of how Gifted is described in our own intelligence page:

Now, read how the Australian Government (which, I know, is not American, but they award the same degrees, and their Master's programs have the same requirements as America's) describes a Master's Degree:

Of course, this is just a very general overview, and what one learns from their time in graduate school is entirely dependent on the individual. I'm not trying to make the claim that a Master's Degree magically gives you Gifted intelligence, but rather that the entire purpose of the curriculum of a Master's Degree is to provide students with a level of knowledge worthy of "Gifted" intelligence, as per our definition. So, if Patrick Bateman not only successfully obtained his Master's Degree, but also obtained it from one of the most prestigious institutions in the country, I think he is clearly Gifted.

Ah, nice. I agree with him still being straight up Gifted then.

 

[Lukewoesal007]

I think his current profile should be split on 3 distinct pages, because Novel, Movie and Lunar Park are frankly different from each (He's apparently Multiversal in Lunar Park)

I've only ever read the novel and watched the movie, but if I remember correctly, there multiple differences in the plots of each. You can read about some of them here. So, yeah, I think they should be split, honestly.

 

[Employe]

I've only ever read the novel and watched the movie, but if I remember correctly, there multiple differences in the plots of each. You can read about some of them here. So, yeah, I think they should be split, honestly.

His profile on our site primary refers to Movie, but when it comes to segment with plain testaments of his feats, it starts to turn into an absolute and incoherent mess, since for some reason this section simultaneously mentions Movie, Book, Lunar Park and even American Psycho 2, despite the last one not being an official sequel from same author and is pretty much non-canon. His compilation of hax in the relevant section also ignores what's shown in feats (His Plot Manipulation, as example)

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

Yeah Patrick's book & movie version should have different profiles, his book version has a feat of kicking a dudes jaw off which is 9-C

Otherwise I agree with Gifted intelligence & Above Average Human LS

 

[Employe]

Yeah Patrick's book & movie version should have different profiles, his book version has a feat of kicking a dudes jaw off which is 9-C

Otherwise I agree with Gifted intelligence & Above Average Human LS

(Reminded me that I should do the same for Anton Chigurh)

 

[Homie890]

What is "Lunar Park"?

 

[Da3ggman]

What is "Lunar Park"?

It's basically a really meta book made by the author of American Psycho that has the actual Patrick Bateman come out of the manuscript and start killing people in real life just to torment him (the author in the story).....quite the fever dream tbh.

 

[Homie890]

It's basically a really meta book made by the author of American Psycho that has the actual Patrick Bateman come out of the manuscript and start killing people in real life just to torment him (the author in the story).....quite the fever dream tbh.

Damn,that's crazy

 

[G.O.A.T_Enjoyer]

I think that one also should stay at Athletic Human because of his physical appearence. He literally has better physicality then some of the athletes in our time also I think he has better LS than all female movie Ghostfaces who are considered Athlete Human.

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

I think that one also should stay at Athletic Human because of his physical appearence. He literally has better physicality then some of the athletes in our time also I think he has better LS than all female movie Ghostfaces who are considered Athlete Human.

His build is more so one of ascetics and not strength. We also never actually see him do weight training, just calisthenics & cardio. Imo he would more qualify for just above average human from physique alone. Also you'd have to prove that he has more impressive LS than the female ghostfaces, or at least more proof than just "idk he seems like it"

 

[Homie890]

ascetics

what is an "antiseptic" build?

 

[HorrorHistory]

I think that one also should stay at Athletic Human because of his physical appearence. He literally has better physicality then some of the athletes in our time also I think he has better LS than all female movie Ghostfaces who are considered Athlete Human.w

I think he would fit best at “At least Above Average Human” unless he’s shown some weight training in the media. Also you’d need to prove he has better LS than the female Ghostfaces. Speaking of which, i should’ve included them in my revision for Scream’s LS since Amber and Nancy’s feats don’t even look like Athletic Human.

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

what is an "antiseptic" build?

*aesthetic mb

Pretty much, you look incredibly good, but you can't actually move that much weight. Think David Laid. He looks in great shape and he is, but he is nowhere near someone like Eddie Hall in strength, who looked like this in his prime.

Patrick Bateman has a great physique, but that doesn't automatically translate to his muscles being far stronger than a normal dude. He's just lean with some extra muscle in comparison to most people, but that's not enough to quality for Athletic Human LS just off of that alone. I've seen plenty of guys in the gym with simular physiques that can't lift more than like, 225 lbs (102.1 kg), so I think Above Average Human is a safe range for Patrick

 

[Homie890]

*aesthetic mb

Pretty much, you look incredibly good, but you can't actually move that much weight. Think David Laid. He looks in great shape and he is, but he is nowhere near someone like Eddie Hall, who looked like this in his prime.

Patrick Bateman has a great physique, but that doesn't automatically translate to his muscles being far stronger than a normal dude. He's just lean with some extra muscle in comparison to most people, but that's not enough to quality for Athletic Human LS just off of that alone. I've seen plenty of guys in the gym with simular physiques that can't lift more than like, 225 lbs (102.1 kg), so I think Above Average Human is a safe range for Patrick

Oh,i see!