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Patrick Bateman Iq and Lifting strength downgrade

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His current justification sounds like it:

Intelligence: Gifted (Graduated from Harvard Law School, skilled serial killer and extreme manipulator. Knows how to get away with many crimes. He’ll plan ahead to try and cover his tracks via planting evidence as well as hiding his tracks)

The problem that he has no feats on such level. Being graduated from law school is not enough for Gifted, not to mention that he most likely did it via contacts and status, rather then intellectual capacities, like how he constantly does it to cover his crimes with help of lawyer. He does nothing on his job. His absolute best feats are deceiving people within his enviroment, but said people are pretty dumb and just careless towards what happens around. Literally biggest idea of American
Psycho is how people of modern society degenerated and became completely apathetic to each other (For example they frequently mistakens each other) and they simply ignored Patrick's psychotic behavior (Like his fiance).

He also did several dumb decisions in the book (Such as stabbing children in crowd, or frankly admitting own crimes to others which everyone simply dismissed)

Here I'm suggesting new description:

Intelligence: Above Average (Is a quite intelligent person, despite his insanity, and bears knack of creativity at murders and tortures. Able to manipulate own peers and get away from commited crimes, though he primary does it through nepotism and own status, as well as due to general apathy and ignorance of people around)
 
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You literally just made this thread be patient, it certainly hasn't be 12~24 hours for ya to be bumping it so refrain from doing so
 
In my opinion, graduating from Harvard could well be an excuse for a Gifted Intellect. Probably. But the fact that he graduated through connections is an assumption, because it is not stated. We cannot know for sure.
 
In my opinion, graduating from Harvard could well be an excuse for a Gifted Intellect. Probably. But the fact that he graduated through connections is an assumption, because it is not stated. We cannot know for sure.
True, but he has not other feats which warrants such rating and in fact everything indicates otherwise

I personally offers to discard it completely due to lack of practical and quantifiable information, but always ready to hear counterpoints
 
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According to ChatGPT, he has 125-130 IQ level and I can't blame it for that, here his feats:
Harvard Laws graduate also a succesful student.
Manipulation is a EQ feat so I won't include it.
Plans all of his murders down to the smallest detail and then tampers evidences to hide crimes and murders.
In the stairs scene, calculated angel and time to kill ''Christie'' in seconds.
Smarter than; Michael Myers, Billy Loomis, Stuart Macher and most of the ghostfaces; except Roman etc.
 
According to ChatGPT, he has 125-130 IQ level and I can't blame it for that, here his feats:
Harvard Laws graduate also a succesful student.
Manipulation is a EQ feat so I won't include it.
Plans all of his murders down to the smallest detail and then tampers evidences to hide crimes and murders.
In the stairs scene, calculated angel and time to kill ''Christie'' in seconds.
Smarter than; Michael Myers, Billy Loomis, Stuart Macher and most of the ghostfaces; except Roman etc.
His manipulations feats are nothing too impressive and definitely aren't worthy of Gifted

His graduation is also iffy at best with how he achieved it

Planning how to torture is not major intelligence feat either

He conceals his crimes primary via own attorney and exist in the universe where people ignores how he straight confesses in his murders, and sometimes even how he performs iniquites on plain sight (And they also were telling to detective contradictory to each other testimonies)

Also, seriously using here ChatGPT?
 
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No matter there is ChatGPT or not, he is gifted and I wrote these feats myself. ChatGPT only gave specific number for his IQ. Also it doesn't mean he isn't that intelligent if the people are dumb. If so, why is Michael Myers Above Average? His victims were so dumb either. Or why is Billy Loomis Above Average too? The police were also incompetent to prove he is the killer. Okay let's say you guys managed to scale his IQ Above Average then he will have the same scale as the characters I have mentioned also let me add more: Dr. Daniel Challis, Howard Hamlin, Danny Johnson etc.
Also an average student of Harvard University has 142 IQ. Yes, he isn't a genius but his IQ level still could assist to raise the average level. That's my opinion with my evidences, I repeat; these feats are not from ChatGPT.
 
No matter there is ChatGPT or not, he is gifted and I wrote these feats myself. ChatGPT only gave specific number for his IQ. Also it doesn't mean he isn't that intelligent if the people are dumb. If so, why is Michael Myers Above Average? His victims were so dumb either. Or why is Billy Loomis Above Average too? The police were also incompetent to prove he is the killer. Okay let's say you guys managed to scale his IQ Above Average then he will have the same scale as the characters I have mentioned also let me add more: Dr. Daniel Challis, Howard Hamlin, Danny Johnson etc.
Also an average student of Harvard University has 142 IQ. Yes, he isn't a genius but his IQ level still could assist to raise the average level. That's my opinion with my evidences, I repeat; these feats are not from ChatGPT.
All this "feats" were adressed and refuted above

No, opinions of ChatGPT does not matters, because it is well know for providing unreliable and baseless information
 
Also, I want to decrease his lifting strength. His presented explanation says:
Athletic Human (Could easily lift average humans)

The value of average's human weight is 80 kg which only fits to Average Human Lifting rating, respectively


Average Human: 50-80 kg

I think more appropriately to put "At least Average Human"
 
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All this "feats" were adressed and refuted above

No, opinions of ChatGPT does not matters, because it is well know for providing unreliable and baseless information
How can you call these as ''refuted''? Also if you are not blind, I said the feats I give are not from ChatGPT. I also have another comparable evidence: How can The Creeper have Gifted intelligience while he only has feat of can fix his bus? With this feat, he can outscale Patrick Bateman who has feats which I mentioned?
 
Also, I want to decrease his lifting strength. His presented explanation says:
Athletic Human (Could easily lift average humans)

The value of average's human weight is 80 kg which only fits to Average Human Lifting rating, respectively


Average Human: 50-80 kg

I think more appropriately to put "At least Average Human"
I will try to debunk it with Physical Strength feats but not lifting. Only feat of him is dragging and lifting Paul Allen and he is 56 kilogram. Average body weight was 189 pound in USA during 2000 and Christian Bale was 190 pound during American Psycho, but this is his normal weight if we consider his muscularity, he has to be higher also do I have to mention muscular people stronger than non-muscular people? After these evidences, I want to add some comparable: Stronger than most of the Ghostfaces except for Stuart, Mickey and Roman who are also athlete level; Anton Chigurh who overpowered a police officer altough he wasn't ready, Chucky, Gustavo Fring who can overpower average people etc.
I am not determined to defend this feat but I still think he is athlete level.
 
How can you call these as ''refuted''? Also if you are not blind, I said the feats I give are not from ChatGPT. I also have another comparable evidence: How can The Creeper have Gifted intelligience while he only has feat of can fix his bus? With this feat, he can outscale Patrick Bateman who has feats which I mentioned?

Yes, Creeper is smarter than Bateman, what's your point?

Please, give proper replies on my arguments
 
I will try to debunk it with Physical Strength feats but not lifting. Only feat of him is dragging and lifting Paul Allen and he is 56 kilogram. Average body weight was 189 pound in USA during 2000 and Christian Bale was 190 pound during American Psycho, but this is his normal weight if we consider his muscularity, he has to be higher also do I have to mention muscular people stronger than non-muscular people? After these evidences, I want to add some comparable: Stronger than most of the Ghostfaces except for Stuart, Mickey and Roman who are also athlete level; Anton Chigurh who overpowered a police officer altough he wasn't ready, Chucky, Gustavo Fring who can overpower average people etc.
I am not determined to defend this feat but I still think he is athlete level.

Okay, Above Average Human (80-120 kg), still not enough evidence for Athlete level
 
Yes, Creeper is smarter than Bateman, what's your point?

Please, give proper replies on my arguments
OH YEAH! Fixing the bus>Harvard Graduate and being succesful student, Planning, Fast calculating and thinking, he is very knowledgeable for a normal man also I read a feat of Michael Myers, which says outmatched Laurie who has knowledge about Self Defence moves, and then he killed entire mob despite they had better weapons. So if we talk about him, he outskilled the police officers in gun combat who are trained to how to use guns, and Patrick used the gun for the first time only some minutes ago when he killed that woman. Another comparable evidences: Comparable to Rick Grimes, Wayne Bailey and definetly higher than Gumball and Darwin.
 
OH YEAH! Fixing the bus>Harvard Graduate and being succesful student, Planning, Fast calculating and thinking, he is very knowledgeable for a normal man also I read a feat of Michael Myers, which says outmatched Laurie who has knowledge about Self Defence moves, and then he killed entire mob despite they had better weapons. So if we talk about him, he outskilled the police officers in gun combat who are trained to how to use guns, and Patrick used the gun for the first time only some minutes ago when he killed that woman. Another comparable evidences: Comparable to Rick Grimes, Wayne Bailey and definetly higher than Gumball and Darwin.
Why you brings completely irrelevant characters to our conversation? Him shooting cops were hallucination (As i remember) and he did it rather with accident in own delusions, not real skill

Planning how he gonna to execute his murders is not remarkable intelligence feat and his plans aren't super intricate or layered, just bit of creativity
 
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