Passive hax

[Matrixxxx]

Can we avoid the passive ability with infinite speed?

 

[Quantu]

Unless the passive ability has feats of affecting immeasurable speeds, then it's generally said that passives (done instantaneously) are slower than immeasurable speed (blitzed before it's even launched). Infinite Speed characters would still be hit if within range.

Also, this should be moved to the Questions and Answers forum.

 

[Matrixxxx]

Unless the passive ability has feats of affecting immeasurable speeds, then it's generally said that passives (done instantaneously) are slower than immeasurable speed (blitzed before it's even launched).

Also, this should be moved to the Questions and Answers forum.

I don't think it affects the passive ability even at 0 time, it seems ridiculous to me that every ability is better than infinite speed because sace is passive.

 

[Purgy]

If they're within range of the passive, no, they're affected the instant the match starts, immeasurable speed at least would be needed.

 

[Matrixxxx]

If they're within range of the passive, no, they're affected the instant the match starts, immeasurable speed at least would be needed.

An infinite speed moving at time 0 will perceive the opponent as frozen and the fact that this passive ability is instantaneous does not prove that it will work even at time 0, bi instant=0 is not time

 

[Purgy]

An infinite speed moving at time 0 will perceive the opponent as frozen and the fact that this passive ability is instantaneous does not prove that it will work even at time 0, bi instant=0 is not time

Not got any idea what you just said.

 

[Matrixxxx]

Not got any idea what you just said.

I want to say that there is no logical explanation that the passive ability will affect even at 0 time, infinite speed perceives opponents with finite speed as frozen, even if the opponent uses passive for a moment, he perceives this ability as frozen, so infinite speed > passive ability (my own opinion)

 

[Quantu]

There is no "using a passive for a moment" because then it just becomes another active ability.

 

[Purgy]

I want to say that there is no logical explanation that the passive ability will affect even at 0 time, infinite speed perceives opponents with finite speed as frozen, even if the opponent uses passive for a moment, he perceives this ability as frozen, so infinite speed > passive ability (my own opinion)

It wouldn't be a passive if the opponent has to use it, it's a passive because it's always active automatically, meaning at the very instant the match starts at zero time it's already affecting the opponent.

Of course there are some passives that don't have an immediate effect, maybe they poison the opponent over time or they slowly destroy them, those passives can be avoided even with less than infinite speed, but I'm not talking about those passives, I'm talking about the type of passive where you just instantly die if you're within range, or get instantly mind haxed if you're within range.

 

[Matrixxxx]

It wouldn't be a passive if the opponent has to use it, it's a passive because it's always active automatically, meaning at the very instant the match starts at zero time it's already affecting the opponent.

Of course there are some passives that don't have an immediate effect, maybe they poison the opponent over time or they slowly destroy them, those passives can be avoided even with less than infinite speed, but I'm not talking about those passives, I'm talking about the type of passive where you just instantly die if you're within range, or get instantly mind haxed if you're within range.

The fact that it is always active does not prove that it will affect even at 0 time, this passive event can vary depending on the situation, an ordinary undesirable property that is always active is not equivalent to 0 time, this is the same logic as aizen hanging everything.

 

[Purgy]

The fact that it is always active does not prove that it will affect even at 0 time, this passive event can vary depending on the situation, an ordinary undesirable property that is always active is not equivalent to 0 time, this is the same logic as aizen hanging everything.

It literally does though, something that's always active by default would obviously begin to effect the opponent the instant the match begins, provided they're within range of it.

Whether or not it would kill them or whatever in zero time depends on the passive in question and would be case by case.

 

[Matrixxxx]

It literally does though, something that's always active by default would obviously begin to effect the opponent the instant the match begins, provided they're within range of it.

Whether or not it would kill them or whatever in zero time depends on the passive in question and would be case by case.

Not every passive ability should be better than infinite speed, it's best to vary depending on the situation

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

Not every passive ability should be better than infinite speed, it's best to vary depending on the situation

that depends on how the passive works, otherwise it works on the same level as infinite speed and to avoid it via speed u need to be immeasurable