Pacific Rim General Discussion

[1000TonsofFun]

A discussion thread for all things Pacific Rim

 

[1000TonsofFun]

CRT for Pacific Rim upgrades going on here

 

[1000TonsofFun]

Graphic novel sequel to the films is up on kickstarter. It is called Pacific Rim: Final Breach

 

[1000TonsofFun]

Pacific rim prequel series in development under First-Look TV deal with Eric Heisserer

 

[Felipe_Walker16]

Well, I want to start stocking up on some things related to the reactions and attack speed of some Jaegers, mainly the Gipsy Avenger, and also the attack speed of the Gipsy Danger.
Gipsy Avenger avoided a ballistic missile while being caught off guard while moving at Mach 20.4.

Dodge Missiles:


Ballistic Missile Speed:

Technical Aspects of Ballistic Missile Defense by Richard L. Garwin

Gipsy Avenger's Plasma Cannon, plasma engines can fire plasma ions in excess of Mach 145.

NASA's possible-impossible plasma engine roars into life

WHY THIS MATTERS IN BRIEF It’s inevitable that humanity will one day become an interstellar species and engines like these...

www.fanaticalfuturist.com

With the Gipsy Avenger's Plasma Cannon and Gipsy Danger could also be Massively Hypersonic.

 

[1000TonsofFun]

Well, I want to start stocking up on some things related to the reactions and attack speed of some Jaegers, mainly the Gipsy Avenger, and also the attack speed of the Gipsy Danger.
Gipsy Avenger avoided a ballistic missile while being caught off guard while moving at Mach 20.4.

Dodge Missiles:


Ballistic Missile Speed:

Technical Aspects of Ballistic Missile Defense by Richard L. Garwin

Gipsy Avenger's Plasma Cannon, plasma engines can fire plasma ions in excess of Mach 145.

NASA's possible-impossible plasma engine roars into life

WHY THIS MATTERS IN BRIEF It’s inevitable that humanity will one day become an interstellar species and engines like these...

www.fanaticalfuturist.com

With the Gipsy Avenger's Plasma Cannon and Gipsy Danger could also be Massively Hypersonic.

I’m not sure about them scaling to massively hypersonic from the plasma caster as we don’t know the exact mechanics of the weapon. However, there are several Subsonic to supersonic feats such as otachis flight, Apex’s punch, and the Otachi and Leatherback’s swimming speed.

 

[1000TonsofFun]

‘Pacific Rim’ TV Series From Legendary, Eric Heisserer Lands at Amazon for Development (EXCLUSIVE)

The "Pacific Rim" TV series has found a home at Amazon, Variety has learned exclusively.

variety.com

Pacific Rim prequel is in development at Prime Video. Also apparently there’s still the chance for more films

 

[1000TonsofFun]

Pacific Rim: Cancelling The 7-A-pocalypse

So since the last few threads, I have found a lot of info that gets Pacific Rim characters into higher tiers. Gipsy Danger self destruction + Mega-Kaiju upgrades According to Pacific Rim novelisation, Gipsy Danger’s self destruction was observed as releasing a thousand times the energy of any...

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[Felipe_Walker16]

In the novelization Pacific Rim Ascension states that the Jaegers carried as much potential energy as a nuclear weapon.


Gipsy Avenger and its temporal distortion.


Obsidian Fury was the fastest and fastest Jaeger in existence.

 

[1000TonsofFun]

Gipsy Avenger and its temporal distortion.

Hmm interesting, I wonder what abilities this would give.

Obsidian Fury was the fastest and fastest Jaeger in existence.

Ooh, that’s interesting. Would be good for use in a speed upgrade

 

[Felipe_Walker16]

Hmm interesting, I wonder what abilities this would give.

Ooh, that’s interesting. Would be good for use in a speed upgrade

Exactly, I'm organizing it for a future Update, but I'm depositing it here, in case you wanted to use it, and I apologize for the images of the Novelization, as I don't have physical access, only Digital, and the Pacific Rim Ascension Novelization made by Keyes is only half, and that's a small portion of the scans that I have on Discord.

 

[1000TonsofFun]

Exactly, I'm organizing it for a future Update, but I'm depositing it here, in case you wanted to use it, and I apologize for the images of the Novelization, as I don't have physical access, only Digital, and the Pacific Rim Ascension Novelization made by Keyes is only half, and that's a small portion of the scans that I have on Discord.

I have the physical versions of both, but I’ve never fully read them. Ascension does have the K-Bomb which is interesting for scaling.

 

[Felipe_Walker16]

I have the physical versions of both, but I’ve never fully read them. Ascension does have the K-Bomb which is interesting for scaling.

Do you have the novelizations on digital media? I would like to read the Pacific Rim Uprising Ascension novelization.

 

[1000TonsofFun]

Do you have the novelizations on digital media? I would like to read the Pacific Rim Uprising Ascension novelization.

I don’t own it digitally unfortunately, but someone uploaded the whole thing here. If you read it and need a scan, just message me and I’ll find it in my physical copy

 

[Felipe_Walker16]

I don’t own it digitally unfortunately, but someone uploaded the whole thing here. If you read it and need a scan, just message me and I’ll find it in my physical copy

Alright, I'll be waiting for a future Update.

 

[Felipe_Walker16]

Obsidian Fury has the technologies of Shao Industries, the same ones that created the Jaegers Drones


Jaegers Drones.

Drone Jaeger

Drone Jaegers are remote-controlled mechs designed by Shao Industries.[1] Technologist Liwen Shao was motivated to design the Drone Jaegers out of apparent concern for the lives of Jaeger pilots. The implementation of Drone Jaegers would allow a single pilot to control the drone without risk to...

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[1000TonsofFun]

Obsidian Fury has the technologies of Shao Industries, the same ones that created the Jaegers Drones


Jaegers Drones.

Drone Jaeger

Drone Jaegers are remote-controlled mechs designed by Shao Industries.[1] Technologist Liwen Shao was motivated to design the Drone Jaegers out of apparent concern for the lives of Jaeger pilots. The implementation of Drone Jaegers would allow a single pilot to control the drone without risk to...

pacificrim.fandom.com

That is true but as the passage says, the same is also true for Scrapper which is far weaker than even November Ajax (a police Jaeger rather than a full on combat model).

 

[Felipe_Walker16]

That is true but as the passage says, the same is also true for Scrapper which is far weaker than even November Ajax (a police Jaeger rather than a full on combat model).

Well, I was reviewing and analyzing:
Do you remember the part in the novelization that said a Category V is the largest Kaiju the Precursors can send through the Breach?

Spoiler: Breach energy

"And a Category Five is theoretically the largest Kaiju they could send through, since the energy it takes to widen a Breach exponentially quadruples as the----"

If the Mega Kaiju really is equivalent to 236,000 – 469,000 (multiplied by 30x) real tons, it becomes easier to understand why they don't simply send larger monsters: The larger the mass of the Kaiju, The larger the Breach needed, And the energy to widen it grows exponentially. So a Kaiju the size of the Mega Kaiju would probably be impossible to pass directly through the Breach. That's why the Precursors sent three smaller Kaiju (Raijin, Hakuja, and Shrikethorn) to merge on Earth and form the Mega Kaiju.

What is your opinion on this?

Yes, I know this has nothing to do with your answer.

 

[1000TonsofFun]

Well, I was reviewing and analyzing:
Do you remember the part in the novelization that said a Category V is the largest Kaiju the Precursors can send through the Breach?

Spoiler: Breach energy

"And a Category Five is theoretically the largest Kaiju they could send through, since the energy it takes to widen a Breach exponentially quadruples as the----"

If the Mega Kaiju really is equivalent to 236,000 – 469,000 (multiplied by 30x) real tons,

The 30 ton = 1 ton is actually fake. Checking Travis Beecham’s Twitter shows that it was faked. Probably just people who want to make Pacific Rim characters beat Godzilla.

it becomes easier to understand why they don't simply send larger monsters: The larger the mass of the Kaiju, The larger the Breach needed, And the energy to widen it grows exponentially. So a Kaiju the size of the Mega Kaiju would probably be impossible to pass directly through the Breach. That's why the Precursors sent three smaller Kaiju (Raijin, Hakuja, and Shrikethorn) to merge on Earth and form the Mega Kaiju.

What is your opinion on this?

Yes, I know this has nothing to do with your answer.

That is actually the canon reason according to the filmmakers. In the artbook, Steven S Deknight states that there is a limit to the size of a Kaiju that can come through the breach which is why they had to stitch together the Mega Kaiju in our world. The audio commentary states that this would require “the power of the sun” iirc. This wouldn’t scale to anyone unfortunately, unless a Jaeger or kaiju makes a Breach that is larger than the Mega-Kaiju in Final Breach and that attack hits another Jaeger/Kaiju.

 

[Felipe_Walker16]

The 30 ton = 1 ton is actually fake. Checking Travis Beecham’s Twitter shows that it was faked. Probably just people who want to make Pacific Rim characters beat Godzilla.

The claim that 30 tons equals 1 ton, and the one by Guillermo Del Toro, and now Travis Beacham, is indeed false. I remember the CRT you made about the mass of 1 liter of osmium (or 22.5 kg in our world), which Travis's Twitter actually says is about: Because 1) there's no air supply, 2) no maintenance, 3) radiation from the breach, and 4) it's more boring.

That is actually the canon reason according to the filmmakers. In the artbook, Steven S Deknight states that there is a limit to the size of a Kaiju that can come through the breach which is why they had to stitch together the Mega Kaiju in our world. The audio commentary states that this would require “the power of the sun” iirc. This wouldn’t scale to anyone unfortunately, unless a Jaeger or kaiju makes a Breach that is larger than the Mega-Kaiju in Final Breach and that attack hits another Jaeger/Kaiju.

This is really interesting, but based on that, do you think it's valid to multiply the values by 4x for the Jaegers Drones, since the novelization says: "And a Category Five Kaiju is theoretically the largest they could send, since the energy needed to widen a Rift quadruples exponentially as-" Besides, I haven't seen the interview with Steven where he states this, nor have I had access to the art books.

 

[1000TonsofFun]

The claim that 30 tons equals 1 ton, and the one by Guillermo Del Toro, and now Travis Beacham, is indeed false. I remember the CRT you made about the mass of 1 liter of osmium (or 22.5 kg in our world), which Travis's Twitter actually says is about: Because 1) there's no air supply, 2) no maintenance, 3) radiation from the breach, and 4) it's more boring.

This is really interesting, but based on that, do you think it's valid to multiply the values by 4x for the Jaegers Drones, since the novelization says: "And a Category Five Kaiju is theoretically the largest they could send, since the energy needed to widen a Rift quadruples exponentially as-" Besides, I haven't seen the interview with Steven where he states this, nor have I had access to the art books.

I’m not sure for this wiki’s standards but there can definitely be an argument made. The smallest breaches we ever hear about are Otachi and Leatherback’s which are around 40 metres across according to the novel iirc. The one the Drones open up would have to be pixel scaled, but if it was over twice the size then I think you could multiply the energy by 4 as a lowball. This would probably get rejected though, as it relies on Calc stacking. If there is an official statement about another Breach’s width that would be wider than 80 metres (pre-uprising) or one less than half the size of the largest official size of a breach, then it could be used to justify the 4x multiplier, given that Crabcakes was supposedly the largest kaiju that could be sent through.

 

[Felipe_Walker16]

I’m not sure for this wiki’s standards but there can definitely be an argument made. The smallest breaches we ever hear about are Otachi and Leatherback’s which are around 40 metres across according to the novel iirc. The one the Drones open up would have to be pixel scaled, but if it was over twice the size then I think you could multiply the energy by 4 as a lowball. This would probably get rejected though, as it relies on Calc stacking. If there is an official statement about another Breach’s width that would be wider than 80 metres (pre-uprising) or one less than half the size of the largest official size of a breach, then it could be used to justify the 4x multiplier, given that Crabcakes was supposedly the largest kaiju that could be sent through.

Okay, don't you think it's fair to calculate the Jaeger Drone scene and use pixels to figure out the size of the Rift they opened? We know that Crabecakes itself is supposedly bigger than even Raijin. The basis would be to use the height of the Jaeger Drones based on the Rift they opened; the Jaeger Drones would have a height of (74.4 meters) according to the Wiki. I was quite absent from the Vs Battle, and I won't be able to do this calculation.

 

[1000TonsofFun]

Okay, don't you think it's fair to calculate the Jaeger Drone scene and use pixels to figure out the size of the Rift they opened? We know that Crabecakes itself is supposedly bigger than even Raijin.

I would use that for my own personal scaling, but it would probably be considered Calculation stacking and thus be rejected on this wiki unfortunately.

 

[Felipe_Walker16]

I would use that for my own personal scaling, but it would probably be considered Calculation stacking and thus be rejected on this wiki unfortunately.

What would that be? Stacking?

 

[1000TonsofFun]

What would that be? Stacking?

Using a calculated result to find another unrelated result. E.g. if you found that the flash moved at 99% light speed in one scene, and then used that to find another character’s speed in a different scene. This page explains it better than I can

Calc Stacking

Calc stacking refers to the practice of using results from one calculation in order to calculate other feats. Usually calc stacking is believed to be flawed, so that calculations that use it should be disregarded almost always. Usually people try to use it for calculating characters speed, but...

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It might not be considered Calc stacking though, so it might still be worth someone calculating it.

 

[Felipe_Walker16]

Using a calculated result to find another unrelated result. E.g. if you found that the flash moved at 99% light speed in one scene, and then used that to find another character’s speed in a different scene. This page explains it better than I can

Calc Stacking

Calc stacking refers to the practice of using results from one calculation in order to calculate other feats. Usually calc stacking is believed to be flawed, so that calculations that use it should be disregarded almost always. Usually people try to use it for calculating characters speed, but...

vsbattles.fandom.com

It might not be considered Calc stacking though, so it might still be worth someone calculating it.

It is worth trying, you could do this calculation and send me to the Private, so I repost in Blog giving the Credits to you, of course.