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Overlord Verse separation

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Hi, so just a quick little thing that I wanted to bring up as something I think we really need to do, we should separate the Overlord light novel and anime as separate things like we did with Rimuru. The light novel scaling put him in the small town tier because he leveled a medieval city district even though we see him commit a small city level feat in the anime. I'm just thinking that we should separate the light novel from the anime. Does anyone agree?
 
Hi, so just a quick little thing that I wanted to bring up as something I think we really need to do, we should separate the Overlord light novel and anime as separate things like we did with Rimuru. The light novel scaling put him in the small town tier because he leveled a medieval city district even though we see him commit a small city level feat in the anime. I'm just thinking that we should separate the light novel from the anime. Does anyone agree?
No, and thats not what we do with Rimuru, we separate the LN and WN, not LN and Anime
 
Ok, so in that case, why do we not have the Fallen down calc listed on the page, it doesn't scale to anyone physically as we see it vaporize Shalltear, so her low 7-C still stands, and it's already been calculated by Mr. Bambu. Does it just get tossed because the LN isn't consistent with it? Just seems like both a waste and weird but ig that's just me. I thought the differences between the LN and anime were big enough to justify it, my bad.
 
Ooohhhh, ok so it WASN'T disqualified, just nobody got to it, thanks for clearing that up for me
As far I know, yeah, also, anime stuff usually is accepted in calcs because they give us more info, a great example is a profile I made, it's a LN but the speed calc comes from the anime.
 
As far I know, yeah, also, anime stuff usually is accepted in calcs because they give us more info, a great example is a profile I made, it's a LN but the speed calc comes from the anime.
Could I just add "low 7-B with Fallen Down" to his page then? Or do I have to get someone else's permission or just someone else entirely?
 
Aww man, really? Dang
Overlord has gone through nothing short of tiering hell, frankly. It's a difficult verse to scale cause a lot of feats just don't exist and you need the right translations. The officials are... well they get things very wrong at times.

It's easier to scale World of Warcraft and that verse has like 50x the content. Also helps you got big brother peering on anything being done with the verse(If I didn't make the profile, I approved it's creation. And I made most of the profiles.)
 
Overlord has gone through nothing short of tiering hell, frankly. It's a difficult verse to scale cause a lot of feats just don't exist and you need the right translations. The officials are... well they get things very wrong at times.

It's easier to scale World of Warcraft and that verse has like 50x the content. Also helps you got big brother peering on anything being done with the verse(If I didn't make the profile, I approved it's creation. And I made most of the profiles.)
I keep getting inconsistent heights for Ainz, I remember seeing a 5 ft nothing, a 5 ft 9, and a 7 ft. But even then, just looking at the scene itself, isn't that at least a city block worth of area vaporized AT MINIMUM? Shouldn't that be able to serve as a very under leveled low end or am I crazy?
 
I keep getting inconsistent heights for Ainz, I remember seeing a 5 ft nothing, a 5 ft 9, and a 7 ft. But even then, just looking at the scene itself, isn't that at least a city block worth of area vaporized AT MINIMUM? Shouldn't that be able to serve as a very under leveled low end or am I crazy?
iirc the LN arguably doesn't support that, since Fallen Down's aftermath is moreso treated like a flashburn/heatblast of an area, and has no real mention of a crater last i checked, only the ground and trees being charred, vitrified, and some dirt/sand turning to glass or whatnot. Whether you'd wanna argue the crater interpretation is more valid because both the anime and manga have a crater is another story, but idk how well that goes since LN is primary canon. Anime is also very unfun for scaling using heights yes. They scaled up a lot of things heights just because. The mud fairies the lizardmen used and the Skeletal Dragons are both cases of things having their heights jacked WAY the hell up. Ainz also gets taller, though even some LN art has him as taller than his apparent intended/WoG height, so who effing knows with Ainz
 
Fallen down has actually been rejected as a usable feat, it is extremely inconsistent in how big it is. Like, we're talking one calc for it got High 6-C big.
The data book depicts the larger version, would that count?
And would it be okay to post the scene of Nuclear Blast from the movie? It was bigger than Fallen Down. The quality isn't the best though
 
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The data book depicts the larger version, would that count?
And would it be okay to post the scene of Nuclear Blast from the movie? It was bigger than Fallen Down. Quality isn't the best though
Actually, I think a CRT should be made to discuss whether Overlord anime and manga stuff are OK to use in calcs or not
 
The data book depicts the larger version, would that count?
Still an inconsistent feat
And would it be okay to post the scene of Nuclear Blast from the movie? It was bigger than Fallen Down. The quality isn't the best though
Try to get a high-quality version of Nuclear blast, and I'll discuss with the other main Overlord Supporter about possibly getting the verse upgraded
 
Still an inconsistent feat

Try to get a high-quality version of Nuclear blast, and I'll discuss with the other main Overlord Supporter about possibly getting the verse upgraded
From a post on Reddit


The crater is also shown in in the trailer. Though I'm not completely sure if that's from Nuclear Blast or the second large crater that showed up in the fight.
But it's significantly deeper than Fallen Down and more than the 1.30 mgt for that one

There's also speed. There are three seperate feats that seem to put level 100's at double to triple Mach. I'm relatively new here and Im not sure where to discuss this
 
From a post on Reddit


The crater is also shown in in the trailer. Though I'm not completely sure if that's from Nuclear Blast or the second large crater that showed up in the fight.
But it's significantly deeper than Fallen Down and more than the 1.30 mgt for that one

There's also speed. There are three seperate feats that seem to put level 100's at double to triple Mach. I'm relatively new here and Im not sure where to discuss this

Well, the discussion thread would be fine, but RN just bug some CGMs on their walls(Do not make your bumps less than 24 hours apart) would get a lot of those calced and evaluated.
 
Well, the discussion thread would be fine, but RN just bug some CGMs on their walls(Do not make your bumps less than 24 hours apart) would get a lot of those calced and evaluated.
Apologies, I'm quite ignorant of how things work around here.
What's a CGM? And could you recommend me one?
 
Actually, I think a CRT should be made to discuss whether Overlord anime and manga stuff are OK to use in calcs or not
Yes? Why wouldn't they? We already treat anime and mangas for LNs to be secondary for such things (or if it's originally a manga than the anime is secondary). Aka if it's not really contradictory and is just adding context to a feat, such as timeframes, or in the case of LNs especially, actual visuals lmao.
 
On top of that, we have calcs that would upscale all 9-A to 8-C, and is supersonic+ really they best the show has? I'm re-watching the anime and swear there are some at least hypersonic feats for combat/reactions, and even lightspeed for certain spells/abilities. And let's not forget that the 4 and 6 fold slash of light techniques are seen as a "possibly SoL", so shouldn't people like Shalltear blocking it with a bored expression warrent a "possibly FTL combat/reactions", using that as reasoning? The possibly SoL is already on the profiles of 2 less powerful people. I don't see why we shouldnt.
 
On top of that, we have calcs that would upscale all 9-A to 8-C, and is supersonic+ really they best the show has?
Yes. The first 3 feats you're thinking of are probably invalid cause the LN takes priority.
and even lightspeed for certain spells/abilities. And let's not forget that the 4 and 6 fold slash of light techniques are seen as a "possibly SoL", so shouldn't people like Shalltear blocking it with a bored expression warrent a "possibly FTL combat/reactions", using that as reasoning? The possibly SoL is already on the profiles of 2 less powerful people. I don't see why we shouldnt.
Shalltear never blocks it. Ever. She never even faces someone who uses it on her.

Hell, ******* Cocytus, who is the only Guardian to face Slash of light anything, is the ONLY ONE to face it, and considering the massive jump in speed, it's a major outlier.

Not to mention, I put a note on Gazef's profile saying to not attempt to scale Nazarick denizens to Sixfold Slash of Light. I accounted for this fuckery LONG before you got this bright idea!
Because I just want to make sure that if something is wrong it gets corrected. If I'm outvoted, then so be it, I tried.
Nothing is technically wrong with the profiles right now, there's just some possibilities of higher stats, some of which are invalid, others are meh.
 
Shalltear never blocks it. Ever. She never even faces someone who uses it on her.

Hell, ******* Cocytus, who is the only Guardian to face Slash of light anything, is the ONLY ONE to face it, and considering the massive jump in speed, it's a major outlier.
Ok so Shalltear holds up her nail to block Brain's Nail Cutter, which uses 4 Fold, but afaik any mention of SoL is only for 6 fold. Also idr the scene that well, but iirc wasn't Brain like, prepping the move. More than enough time for Shalltear to hold up a finger in preparation to easily block this trash human's attack, even if 4 Fold had a hidden SoL statement i don't remember

Cocytus is weirder, but iirc the scene has him moreso outspeed Brain's draw? Like idk if Brain even gets his Ult Nail Cutter (which does use 6 Fold iirc) off properly
 
Ok so Shalltear holds up her nail to block Brain's Nail Cutter, which uses 4 Fold, but afaik any mention of SoL is only for 6 fold. Also idr the scene that well, but iirc wasn't Brain like, prepping the move. More than enough time for Shalltear to hold up a finger in preparation to easily block this trash human's attack.
Brain didn't know 4 Fold ATT. What he dropped against Cocytus is literally his ultimate attack combining pretty much every offensive technique he has.
Cocytus is weirder, but iirc the scene has him moreso outspeed Brain's draw? Like idk if Brain even gets his Ult Nail Cutter (which does use 6 Fold iirc) off properly
Yeah I'd have to check the LN for specifics, but the Anime definitely depicts Cocytus as just face-tanking it with 0 damage
 
Brain didn't know 4 Fold ATT. What he dropped against Cocytus is literally his ultimate attack combining pretty much every offensive technique he has.
“[Fourfold Slash of Light]!”
In truth, the [Fourfold Slash of Light] had a massive weakness.
Executing four simultaneous attacks would place a massive burden on the body, and it would cause the attacks to scatter in different directions. Because this technique’s accuracy was low, even its creator Gazef only used it when surrounded by multiple opponents.
Although the [Fourfold Slash of Light] did not make as many attacks as the [Sixfold Slash of Light], it was easier to direct all the attacks toward the same opponent. Even so, getting them all to connect was still quite unlikely.
This wild attack should not have been able to strike Shalltear Bloodfallen.
Brain was very clear on that.
But Brain possessed a martial art that Gazef did not. It was a support technique that provided an accuracy boost within its radius — [Field].
The four wild swings were corrected mid-flight by the superhuman precision of [Field], following the path Brain had visualized for them.
All four blows struck home with complete accuracy at super-speed.

- Vol 6; Ch 11
Against Shalltear he knows 4 Fold, and by Vol 14 he knows 6 Fold
 
Ah, one of those times the Anime is crappy with the timelien then
I think you actually see 4 slashes in the anime? I just can't say whether or not it had him mention 4 Fold by name, since him combining that with Field was Nail Cutter basically, so why mention the component parts for pacing reasons
 
I think you actually see 4 slashes in the anime? I just can't say whether or not it had him mention 4 Fold by name, since him combining that with Field was Nail Cutter basically, so why mention the component parts for pacing reasons
You do, I think.

Either way, Shalltear didn't react to it lol
 
You do, I think.

Either way, Shalltear didn't react to it lol
tbf even if she did (she honestly might have i'd have to read the scene again) there's also no SoL statement for 4 Fold i know of. The statement was only 1 time for 6 Fold and then it's never brought up again. So it just doesn't matter either way
 
Ah, one of those times the Anime is crappy with the timelien then

As a Brain fan, nope. We learn about Fourfold from the tournament with Gazef right before the Shalltear encounter, with Brain first using it against her in Volume 6

You do, I think.

Either way, Shalltear didn't react to it lol
Actually, there's evidence to the opposite

"Even a hero — one who had surpassed all other humans — would have had trouble blocking that attack. Mortals, wrought of weak flesh and bones, would not be able to even muster up the stamina to defend against it. This was an inhuman blow.

But Shalltear Bloodfallen was well above humanity herself, standing in a league of her own that nobody could ever hope to exceed. To someone like her, those four simultaneous strikes were little more than a snail taking a stroll in the sun.

Shalltear snorted at him as her left hand moved faster than the eye could see. A sound of metallic clashing rang out through the night air. What had happened was that the simultaneous deflection of the four strikes had blended into a single sound.

All four blows had been repelled, leaving her untouched."

In fact the actual gif we use for Nail Clipper has her moving to deflect it after Brain draws his blade: Edit, wow I love how the VS wiki gifs/images/videos never actually link correctly when using them LOL

As for the Fourfold Slashes being Lightspeed or not, that a different argument though I don't see why they wouldn't be since from what I recall and am currently re-reading the only difference mentioned between them is not speed but rather accuracy. As both moves are stupidly hard to land however Fourfold is the easier of the two.
 
As a Brain fan, nope. We learn about Fourfold from the tournament with Gazef right before the Shalltear encounter, with Brain first using it against her in Volume 6


Actually, there's evidence to the opposite

"Even a hero — one who had surpassed all other humans — would have had trouble blocking that attack. Mortals, wrought of weak flesh and bones, would not be able to even muster up the stamina to defend against it. This was an inhuman blow.

But Shalltear Bloodfallen was well above humanity herself, standing in a league of her own that nobody could ever hope to exceed. To someone like her, those four simultaneous strikes were little more than a snail taking a stroll in the sun.

Shalltear snorted at him as her left hand moved faster than the eye could see. A sound of metallic clashing rang out through the night air. What had happened was that the simultaneous deflection of the four strikes had blended into a single sound.

All four blows had been repelled, leaving her untouched."

In fact the actual gif we use for Nail Clipper has her moving to deflect it after Brain draws his blade: Edit, wow I love how the VS wiki gifs/images/videos never actually link correctly when using them LOL

As for the Fourfold Slashes being Lightspeed or not, that a different argument though I don't see why they wouldn't be since from what I recall and am currently re-reading the only difference mentioned between them is not speed but rather accuracy. As both moves are stupidly hard to land however Fourfold is the easier of the two.
Hey look, someone who doesn't know how four-fold Slash of Light works!

Yeah you can outpace the sword but not the actual martial art, sorry.
 
Hey look, someone who doesn't know how four-fold Slash of Light works!

Yeah you can outpace the sword but not the actual martial art, sorry.
Rude, however, going by the actual Light Novel which I quoted

"But Shalltear Bloodfallen was well above humanity herself, standing in a league of her own that nobody could ever hope to exceed. To someone like her, those four simultaneous strikes were little more than a snail taking a stroll in the sun."

So do I make a rude comment now like you did ooooor? It's directly stated that the martial arts themselves were what she blocked, not aim dodging his katana.
 
Rude, however, going by the actual Light Novel which I quoted

"But Shalltear Bloodfallen was well above humanity herself, standing in a league of her own that nobody could ever hope to exceed. To someone like her, those four simultaneous strikes were little more than a snail taking a stroll in the sun."

So do I make a rude comment now like you did ooooor? It's directly stated that the martial arts themselves were what she blocked, not aim dodging his katana.
Ah, so four simultaneous strikes, AKA, she can very easily just hold it in one spot after seeing where the Katana was going. Not to mention, as has been repeatedly said and ignored by you before, there was a single statement for Six Fold being SoL, not Four Fold.

In case ya didn't notice, Brain doesn't have SoL on his profile, and Gazef only has six-fold as POSSIBLY SoL. We both know precisely how I feel about stacking possibly ratings, now don't we?
 
Ah, so four simultaneous strikes, AKA, she can very easily just hold it in one spot after seeing where the Katana was going. Not to mention, as has been repeatedly said and ignored by you before, there was a single statement for Six Fold being SoL, not Four Fold.
Like I said, Four Fold being light or not is a different argument. Her herself reacting to it however is factually true. Are you not reading my comments fully because I didn't ignore it before

As for the Fourfold Slashes being Lightspeed or not, that a different argument though I don't see why they wouldn't be since from what I recall and am currently re-reading the only difference mentioned between them is not speed but rather accuracy. As both moves are stupidly hard to land however Fourfold is the easier of the two.

Additionally, your line of logic makes no sense. The statement outright says she was seeing the slashes themselves as slow, which is reactions, and has her blocked them after it's stated that she saw them. Nothing implies that she just held her hand before the martial arts activated in the LN with there being outright evidence that suggests the opposites.

In case ya didn't notice, Brain doesn't have SoL on his profile, and Gazef only has six-fold as POSSIBLY SoL. We both know precisely how I feel about stacking possibly ratings, now don't we?
Which is weird considering even if we discount the Four Fold, he still has Sixfold in his peak key. You seem to be confusing "arguing for a verse being lightspeed" for "arguing what written text says". I don't care how yall handle Overlord, I love the series but powerscaling it ain't my cup of tea. However just denying the written text leaves a sour taste in my mouth, you can call it outliers or whatever idc but rudely denying things does nothing.
 
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