Overlord Laharl VS Super Saiyan God

[Batsuichimonji]

Goku is borderline-universal, and can negate borderline-universal power outputs. And I'm not sure why Goku's IT is constantly ignored by casual observers of DB. He doesn't actually need to sit and seek to appear in places nearby. And even though Goku is billions of times FTL himself, instantaneous is still infinitely (quite literally) faster than any ridiculous multitude of FTL. Even Beerus, who is hundreds of billions times FTL was intrigued by the technique. Keep in mind that 100% of Goku's new feats were accomplished as his Red version, he is far superior to that now.

At the end of that day, Laharl definitely has the traveling speed edge by large-massively-large margin, but that's not enough to be 100% untouchable against someone who's also massively above FTL, by billions. On top of that, he does not have the power output to harm Goku in any way. Goku will eventually hit him and kill him; he wont need to use all of his might to do it, either.

 

[Hyperception_2]

Goku is borderline-universal, and can negate borderline-universal power outputs. And I'm not sure why Goku's IT is constantly ignored by casual observers of DB. He doesn't actually need to sit and seek to appear in places nearby. And even though Goku is billions of times FTL himself, instantaneous is still infinitely (quite literally) faster than any ridiculous multitude of FTL. Even Beerus, who is hundreds of billions times FTL was intrigued by the technique. Keep in mind that 100% of Goku's new feats were accomplished as his Red version, he is far superior to that now.

At the end of that day, Laharl definitely has the traveling speed edge, but not by enough to be 100% untouchable in a 1 on 1 with someone who is currently training to react to attacks in less than plank seconds. On top of that, he does not have the power output to harm Goku in any way. Goku will eventually hit him and kill him, he wont need to use all of his might to do it, either.

Umm....

 

[Jesterofgames]

Goku is borderline-universal, and can negate borderline-universal power outputs. And I'm not sure why Goku's IT is constantly ignored by casual observers of DB. He doesn't actually need to sit and seek to appear in places nearby. And even though Goku is billions of times FTL himself, instantaneous is still infinitely (quite literally) faster than any ridiculous multitude of FTL. Even Beerus, who is hundreds of billions times FTL was intrigued by the technique. Keep in mind that 100% of Goku's new feats were accomplished as his Red version, he is far superior to that now.

At the end of that day, Laharl definitely has the traveling speed edge by large-massively-large margin, but that's not enough to be 100% untouchable against someone who's also massively above FTL, by billions. On top of that, he does not have the power output to harm Goku in any way. Goku will eventually hit him and kill him; he wont need to use all of his might to do it, either.

2 things

1 Laharl is easily multi galaxy To POSSABLY universal because Big Bang Absorbes Multiple galaxys Hell it Absorbes every galaxy we can see

2 Laharl can stop Time cut through dimisions and space


Also Laharl is Huddrends of trillions of times FTL So he's Litterally Thousands of times faster

And that's not even considering if Big Bang is indeed universal

 

[Hyperception_2]

1 Laharl is easily multi galaxy To POSSABLY universal because Big Bang Absorbes Multiple galaxys Hell it Absorbes every galaxy we can see

2 Laharl can stop Time cut through dimisions and space


Also Laharl is Huddrends of trillions of times FTL So he's Litterally Thousands of times faster

And that's not even considering if Big Bang is indeed universal

1 Then where is that on the page?

2 Woah, Puctuation. And what are "diminsions"?

And how can he be "Huddrends" of trillions of times FTL?

 

[Jesterofgames]

1 Then where is that on the page?

2 Woah, Puctuation. And what are "diminsions"?

And how can he be "Huddrends" of trillions of times FTL?

1 look up the perpetual state Nipponverse verse upgrades

2 NEVAH

Dodging dark death evil mans beam which crosses the galaxy in 1 frame (0.04 seconds)

 

[Hyperception_2]

1 Those have yet to be accepted

2 ALWAYS

That makes him hundreds of trillions of times FTL, not "Huddrends" of trillions of times FTL

 

[The_Everlasting]

They actually have, the guy who's supposed to be implementing them is just too busy.

Also, DBfan's grammar is horrible, he's personally admitted that. Don't give him a lot of flack for it.

 

[Batsuichimonji]

Until what is being proposed can be proven, Goku will one shot Laharl. The actual evidence that currently exists is beyond Laharl's power output by a googleplex.

The detruction of even a million galaxies isn't close to a precentaile of a fraction the size of the universe. That which Goku can match in defense and offense. On top of that, Laharl is not fast enough to flee from Goku, since Goku can make reasonably short work of the universe in is Red form, let alone the Blue version.

 

[Jesterofgames]

Until what is being proposed can be proven, Goku will one shot Laharl. The actual evidence that currently exists is beyond Laharl's power output by a googleplex.
The detruction of even a million galaxies isn't close to a precentaile of a fraction the size of the universe. That which Goku can match in defense and offense. On top of that, Laharl is not fast enough to flee from Goku, since Goku can make reasonably short work of the universe in is Red form, let alone the Blue version.

The upgrades are accepted there just Haven't been upgraded yet


>Destroys all the galaxies we can see and nothing is beyond the time

>has a move that can be heard throughout the universe

> can stop time

> can Cut through space and dimisions

> hundreds of trillions of times ftl >>>>>>> billions of times ftl


Sure goku tots one shots


Also Only Super saiyan god goku has been specified

 

[Hyperception_2]

Were is Laharl's upgrade thread anyways?

 

[Batsuichimonji]

None of that is powerful enough to defeat a character who can negate univerese destroying punches with universe destroying punches, in a much weaker and inexperienced form. Hell, Gotenks can scream through dimensions and a trillion-trillion times FTL travel speed is trumped by instantanious reaction speed in an actual fight.

As long as Goku is on guard, he can tank anything that isn't univesal and up. Now serious hax is a major weakness in DB, but he isn't facing that here, at least not with a character who is powerful enough to take advantage of the hax he has. Laharl can't even afford to get reasonable close to Goku. He can kill Laharl in a single punch. As it stands, this is akin to prime Mike Tyson fighting a 5 year old who can 'Run' 1 billion times faster than him, but attacks at speeds far bellow him.

 

[Jesterofgames]

None of that is powerful enough to defeat a character who can negate univerese destroying punches with universe destroying punches, in a much weaker and inexperienced form. Hell, Gotenks can scream through dimensions and a trillion-trillion times FTL travel speed is trumped by instantanious reation speed in an actual fight.
As long as Goku is on guard, he can tank anything, non hax, that isn't univesal and up. Laharl can't even afford to get reasonable close to Goku. He can kill Laharl in a single punch. As it stands, this is akin to prime Mike Tyson fighting a 5 year old who can 'Run' 1 billion times faster than him, but attacks at speeds far bellow him.

Yes cause destroyin EVERY GALAXY IN SITE WHICH IS POSSABLY THE UNIVERSE totes isnt strong enough to affect a "universal" being (even though goku is only HIgh multi galaxy even on this wiki)

Goku does not have instant raction speeds

Good thing laharl has hax then

also LAHARL CAN STOP TIME For ~5 seconds And clone him self 20 times (i can link evidince if you want) Also cut through space So even if Goku has "instant reaction time" Laharl still stops time

 

[Jesterofgames]

Were is Laharl's upgrade thread anyways?

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:ThePerpetual/Nipponverse_Upgrades

 

[Jesterofgames]

Also, The move whose power echos throughout the universe sounds oddly similar to Goku and beeruses punch


Also Beerus was Holding back so Who says he was trying to negate gokus punch with his full power

 

[Batsuichimonji]

Every galaxy in sight is not a universe. There are galaxies beyond what one can see. And in the attacks you are describing, there is no proof that more than a galaxy was destroyed. It shows one galaxy and a quite a few bright dots. There are stars and other celestial objects millions of times brighter than most galaxies. When you look up at the night sky, you can literally only see 3 galaxies, the rest are stars. It is entirely possible to zoom far out of a galaxy and see nothing but a spiral galaxy and a bunch of stars. As seen here http://www.teara.govt.nz/files/p7924nasa.jpg

Goku has Instant Transmision which can be spamed in short bursts. Goku has used it for both offense and defense in multple situations. The technique is named Shunkan-idō (þ×¼Úûôþº╗Õïò) in Japanese. Its literal translation in English is "Instantaneous Movement".

Laharl is not powerful enough to take advantage of any sort of time stop. Laharl would have to trick Goku out of guard, freeze time and kill him. If he freezes time while Goku is on guard, there is nothing he can do to make use of the power.

 

[Jesterofgames]

Every galaxy in sight is not a universe. There are galaxies beyond what one can see. And in the attacks you are describing, there is no proof that more than a galaxy was destroyed. It shows one galaxy and a quite a few bright dots. There are stars and other celestial objects millions of times brighter than most galaxies. When you look up at the night sky, you can literally only see 3 galaxies, the rest are stars.
Goku has Instant Transmision which can be spamed in short bursts. Goku has used it for both offense and defense in multple situations. The technique is named Shunkan-idō (þ×¼Úûôþº╗Õïò) in Japanese. Its literal translation in English is "Instantaneous Movement".

Laharl is not powerful enough to take advantage of any sort of time stop. Laharl would have to trick Goku out of guard, freeze time and kill him. If he freezes time while Goku is on guard, there is nothing he can do to make use of the power.

1 ........ people pointed toward Lights outside the galaxy to prove the 4 galaxy dbz universe thing a myth

Plus i doubt there are that meny Stars outside the Milky way

there is literally nothing else on screen after it absorbs it There's nothing until the explosion Just nothingness

2 Instant movment Does not mean Instant reaction


3 Built Up Damage over the course of the time stop Plus ~20 galaxy level beings *as again laharl can coppy him self ~20 times) punching at trillions of times ftl

Thats alot of built up damage

and you still ingor the fact that theres a move whos power echos through out the universe

Which is exactly the same as beerus and gokus punch


i mean even Dio whos MCB level goes to Country level with built up damage

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Every galaxy in sight is not a universe. There are galaxies beyond what one can see. And in the attacks you are describing, there is no proof that more than a galaxy was destroyed. It shows one galaxy and a quite a few bright dots. There are stars and other celestial objects millions of times brighter than most galaxies. When you look up at the night sky, you can literally only see 3 galaxies, the rest are stars. It is entirely possible to zoom far out of a galaxy and see nothing but a spiral galaxy and a bunch of stars. As seen here http://www.teara.govt.nz/files/p7924nasa.jpg
Goku has Instant Transmision which can be spamed in short bursts. Goku has used it for both offense and defense in multple situations. The technique is named Shunkan-idō (þ×¼Úûôþº╗Õïò) in Japanese. Its literal translation in English is "Instantaneous Movement".

Laharl is not powerful enough to take advantage of any sort of time stop. Laharl would have to trick Goku out of guard, freeze time and kill him. If he freezes time while Goku is on guard, there is nothing he can do to make use of the power.

Isn't Instantaneous movement limited to the Kais and Buu? IT is totally different.

 

[Batsuichimonji]

The Kai TP and IT are not related. The differences between them are, the Kais don't need to lock on to ki and they can port more than 1 person using it, that's all that's specified.

 

[Batsuichimonji]

Every galaxy in sight is not a universe. There are galaxies beyond what one can see. And in the attacks you are describing, there is no proof that more than a galaxy was destroyed. It shows one galaxy and a quite a few bright dots. There are stars and other celestial objects millions of times brighter than most galaxies. When you look up at the night sky, you can literally only see 3 galaxies, the rest are stars.
Goku has Instant Transmision which can be spamed in short bursts. Goku has used it for both offense and defense in multple situations. The technique is named Shunkan-idō (þ×¼Úûôþº╗Õïò) in Japanese. Its literal translation in English is "Instantaneous Movement".

Laharl is not powerful enough to take advantage of any sort of time stop. Laharl would have to trick Goku out of guard, freeze time and kill him. If he freezes time while Goku is on guard, there is nothing he can do to make use of the power.

1 ........ people pointed toward Lights outside the galaxy to prove the 4 galaxy dbz universe thing a myth
Plus i doubt there are that meny Stars outside the Milky way

there is literally nothing else on screen after it absorbs it There's nothing until the explosion Just nothingness

2 Instant movment Does not mean Instant reaction


3 Built Up Damage over the course of the time stop Plus ~20 galaxy level beings *as again laharl can coppy him self ~20 times) punching at trillions of times ftl

Thats alot of built up damage

and you still ingor the fact that theres a move whos power echos through out the universe

Which is exactly the same as beerus and gokus punch


i mean even Dio whos MCB level goes to Country level with built up damage

1) They were wrong to do that. Jaco proved that there were more than 4 galaxies and before then, there was no proof that there was 4 galaxies in the 1st place.

Half the stars in the universe exist just outside of galaxies. Our section of space is no diffrent.

2) Goku has used IT to avoid being hit and land attacks instantly.

3) A bilion galaxies x 100 is still not a fraction of what is necessary to harm Goku.

4) That's not the same as Goku and Beerus' punches. The wave casted by their punches literally falls in line with the effects of expansion; down to a T.

 

[Hyperception_2]

I'm actually starting to think Laharl almost stomps due to spax.

 

[ThePerpetual]

I'm just going to point out that, if IT translates somehow to infinite speed, then anyone ever who can teleport has infinite speed. Which kinda sorta makes no sense whatsoever, so... yeah.

 

[I_s_u-c_l_o_n_e]

I'm just going to point out that, if IT translates somehow to infinite speed, then anyone ever who can teleport has infinite speed. Which kinda sorta makes no sense whatsoever, so... yeah.

IT is instant. I would assume that unless proven otherwise than most teleportations are instant.

 

[Hop_Hoppington-Hoppenhiemer]

Shouldn't we consider this?

Reaction time - (minus) travel speed/teleportation?

I mean, if you can go as fast as you need, but can't see it coming, what use is it in a fight where someone else do go as fast as you, or omnipresent?

Here's an example:

Superma takes a swing at Goku, right? Say Superma swings so fast, but not fast enough for Goku to see it coming and dodge, right? Okay, so Goku moves to avoid it, but by the time he does, Superman has already gotten there, and has prepared to attack again. So he should get hit, because he didn't react fast enough, regardless of his movement speed, right?

Seeing now that Laharl is also super fast and could likely travel the distance Goku IT'd to, and was already going to hit him again, in one way or another, Goku regarless of how fast he moves, he has to see it coming in order to move out of his way, in reaction time/time it takes to process and so on, right?

 

[Batsuichimonji]

^

Goku is not using IT to avoid anything in this fight. He's using it for offense. Goku does not need to play defense in this battle since there is literally nothing Laharl can do to actually harm Goku. Goku, with his guard up, has tanked punches that would destroy the univerese in 5 shots. Nothing in Nipponverse even comes close to that level, in terms of sheer might.

Not to mention, It was revealed that Goku was still holding back a bit during said world threating event. He can literally TP to Laharl during one of his extravagant attacks and kill him in a single punch, while Laharl is still executing the attack.

HonestlY, the distance between Goku and Laharl's raw killing potential is so vast, this really isn't a fight. Goku would definitely fall to a nice slew of Nippon characters with better hax, but here, he embarrasses Laharl.

 

[ThePerpetual]

I suppose you missed the part where Laharl was able to punch so hard he recreated the Big Bang, or slash so hard that it shook dimensions. Nope, apparently that doesn't do anything at all, especially not when Laharl's 100 times faster than Goku.

 

[Batsuichimonji]

1. The Big Bang created the universe, the energy within the Big Bang took 15 billion years to get as wide spread as it currently is, our universe.

2. If you initiated a Big Bang today, it could not destroy the universe, it does not have enough energy to catch up with the expansion of the universe. The Big Bang will always be 15 billion years too late to destroy the world. In fact, it would take 5 billion years for a Big Bang to reach Earth.

3. On the other hand, Goku and Beerus can destroy the universe in moments with 3/6 punches. Goku's power output exceeds the Big Bang by multiples of trillions.

4. All of this assumes I believe Laharl can generate enough energy to even replicate a big bang, I don't think he can. Also, lesser DB characters have "shaken dimensions" with power ups. That sort of act doesn't translate to anything meaningful.

 

[ThePerpetual]

I don't think you understand. This isn't a Big Bang that takes place over 15 billion years, this is rather... instantaneous, actually. Not to mention, the origin of all this force is a single point (i.e. a fist), so said force all expanding to something Goku-sized would take no significant length of time regardless.

 

[Batsuichimonji]

What You are describing is not actually a Big Bang, then. Nor can You provide any proof that it is as powerful as a big bang. Not to mention Goku has Defended against Beerus' punches. Those are far in excess of a Big Bang considering they can actually destroy the world billions of times faster than a big bang could.

 

[ThePerpetual]

We've already been over this. Mao straight-up destroyed a universe before, explicitly, that's something that scales to Laharl. The Big Bang attack draws all of the observable universe into a single point. Explain to me how Goku is so indisputably above the Universal feats I have presented to you, and if this is the case explain why it isn't accepted here and why it should be accepted.

 

[Jesterofgames]

Also i Heard from a friend that a Demon in Disgaea 5 said he could destroy the dimension (read universe) the netherworld was in and said demon got ________ wrecked by the main cast

and laharl matched and tanked there blows