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Outrider Revision (MCU)
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I'm fine with this
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Would the AP of Ego's Avatar be 8-A too?
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Yes- it will scale to his AP from energy attacks.Although Ego firing the beam was not shown , Rocket stated that it was a man who saved them.
The officer of the Sovereign said "Somebody destroyed all our ships" to the High Priestess.
Later Gamora says to Ego "you can destroy two dozen spacecrafts without a suit" (but of course the actual number was far greater than just two dozen)
And all this occurred near Berhert, not on Ego's planet. So it's safe to assume his avatar can do it without much trouble.
The officer of the Sovereign said "Somebody destroyed all our ships" to the High Priestess.
Later Gamora says to Ego "you can destroy two dozen spacecrafts without a suit" (but of course the actual number was far greater than just two dozen)
And all this occurred near Berhert, not on Ego's planet. So it's safe to assume his avatar can do it without much trouble.
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What about 8-B Nebula? What does that scale to?
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It was said that Gamora won every time she fought against Nebula, prompting Thanos to upgrade her each time she lost. By the time of GoTG 2 though she seems to be a bit stronger than Gamora (at the end of their fight on Ego).
But Nebula obviously recovered far quickly than Gamora from the spaceship explosion so that might have helped her beat Gamora.
So likely Gamora, Drax for sure and possibly Groot as well scales to this. Star-Lord I am not sure since he was basically helpless in h2h combat against Gamora without his weapons.
But Nebula obviously recovered far quickly than Gamora from the spaceship explosion so that might have helped her beat Gamora.
So likely Gamora, Drax for sure and possibly Groot as well scales to this. Star-Lord I am not sure since he was basically helpless in h2h combat against Gamora without his weapons.
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Why would this scale to physical strength though?
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Under the assumption Nebula powered the ship off her own battery it can scale to physical strength I think. Iron Man Mark 4 armor has 8-C rating for the output of 8GJ per second statement.
And speaking of the per second thing, there is a problem- the total destruction of the crafts took about 23 seconds of time as per video time stamp-that is, the time taken by the lasers to revolve around the ship destroying the crafts in their path. So shouldn't we divide the energy output by the time required for complete destruction of the crafts? It will yield only a High 8-C result if the value is divided by 23 in that case (closer to her present rating).
And speaking of the per second thing, there is a problem- the total destruction of the crafts took about 23 seconds of time as per video time stamp-that is, the time taken by the lasers to revolve around the ship destroying the crafts in their path. So shouldn't we divide the energy output by the time required for complete destruction of the crafts? It will yield only a High 8-C result if the value is divided by 23 in that case (closer to her present rating).
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Has anyone tanked Nebula's blasts or something? Then that would scale to physical strength.
I agree, Large Building level makes much more sense.
Would this scale to Cap and the human heroes via Gamora fighting Proxima Midnight? (though even yes we should leave this for another thread, I want to resolve this asap)
I agree, Large Building level makes much more sense.
Would this scale to Cap and the human heroes via Gamora fighting Proxima Midnight? (though even yes we should leave this for another thread, I want to resolve this asap)
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Actually on second thought, since it took multiple lasers to destroy the crafts, shouldn't we just rate Nebula as "8-B over time", similar to Iron Man's rating?
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Or we can just say High 8-C, 8-B overtime just like Iron Man.
All this is applicable only to Nebula since Ego's feat was near instantaneous- beam appears and splits into two in either direction of the Milano and branches off to hit the individual crafts (all this is done quickly- the explosion clears out fully by 4 seconds after the flash of the first huge beam appears).
All this is applicable only to Nebula since Ego's feat was near instantaneous- beam appears and splits into two in either direction of the Milano and branches off to hit the individual crafts (all this is done quickly- the explosion clears out fully by 4 seconds after the flash of the first huge beam appears).
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Yeah, I agree with Ego's brain being 8-A.
Though would Ego's Avatar being 8-A scale to Avatar Star-Lord as well?
Though would Ego's Avatar being 8-A scale to Avatar Star-Lord as well?
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I don't think Celestial Quill has demonstrated an 8-A or comparable feat by himself though. He did fight with Ego's avatar but the avatar is only near 8-C normally. Potentially 8-A with powers or something can be applied I suppose.
It is stated on the Celestial Quill profile that he was capable of harming and defeating Ego- but that never happened. He could do that to Avatar Ego in his base form with weapons or as Celestial, and but not to his true form itself.
That needs to be corrected.
It is stated on the Celestial Quill profile that he was capable of harming and defeating Ego- but that never happened. He could do that to Avatar Ego in his base form with weapons or as Celestial, and but not to his true form itself.
That needs to be corrected.
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I still don't think Nebula should be High 8-C though, since she is never shown to be able to output that many laser beams in just one second.
Can you try and count how many lasers were there and scale Nebula to the value of one laser?
Can you try and count how many lasers were there and scale Nebula to the value of one laser?
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If the High 8-C value is divided by the no. of lasers it will likely give only a 9-A result I think.
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I'm really uncertain how to deal with this feat
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I think we can give Nebula an "At least 8-C, High 8-C at peak" rating going by the energy output per second.
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How about "8-C normally, High 8-C at peak, 8-B over-time"?
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That also sounds ok- so Gamora, Cap and Proxima will stay at 8-C then. Rest of the guardians are also 8-C. Will both Drax and Groot have "at least 8-C" for their rating or only Drax?
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Groot "at least" since he is significantly stronger than his teenage self and seems to be slightly superior to Gamora, Drax "at least 8-C, likely higher" maybe?
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All right. Celestial Quill should have AP rating of at least 8-C (able to fight and damage Ego's Avatar) High 6-B via Expansion or something like that. Quill never really showed any attack stronger than 8-C level on his own. His best feats in the Celestial form were injuring the face of Avatar Ego , destroying a few structures on the planet and forming the Giant Pac-Man which destroyed a giant form of Ego's Avatar.
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Ok so my final suggestions:
Outriders: At most Building level
Star-Lord: At most Building level
Celestial Star-Lord: At least Building level, Large Country level via Expansion
Ego (Avatar): At least Building level, up to Multi-City Block level with powers
Gamora: Building level
Teenage Groot: Building level
Adult Groot: At least Building level
Drax: At least Building level, likely higher
Korath: At least Building level, likely higher
Nebula: Building level normally, Large Building level at peak, City Block level over-time
Outriders: At most Building level
Star-Lord: At most Building level
Celestial Star-Lord: At least Building level, Large Country level via Expansion
Ego (Avatar): At least Building level, up to Multi-City Block level with powers
Gamora: Building level
Teenage Groot: Building level
Adult Groot: At least Building level
Drax: At least Building level, likely higher
Korath: At least Building level, likely higher
Nebula: Building level normally, Large Building level at peak, City Block level over-time
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this is fine
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I'll wait for around a day to see if anyone disagrees.
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I will apply this then.
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@Antvasima Can you unlock the Captain Marvel (Marvel Cinematic Universe) page to apply this?
It also seems that I forgot to upgrade her in the Marvel speed revisions back then as well, so I need to apply that too.
It also seems that I forgot to upgrade her in the Marvel speed revisions back then as well, so I need to apply that too.
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It shouldn't be applied since the snap was hax, not AP
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done
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Shouldn't the snap scale to durability of characters?
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???? How? It's dura neg and hax so whose dura could it scale to?
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I think he means Thanos and Hulk.
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Anyways shouldn't Hulk have an additional key "With Nano-gauntlet",giving him an additional AP "Varies, up to 5-A against celestial bodies with the Power Stone" ?
Hulk never demonstrated a similar feat with it but he wielded basically an IG with the power stone so he should be able to do that right?
Ronan has the "upto 5-A" AP in his profile for the "with orb" key..
Hulk never demonstrated a similar feat with it but he wielded basically an IG with the power stone so he should be able to do that right?
Ronan has the "upto 5-A" AP in his profile for the "with orb" key..
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We can't really judge how much did you need to endure. All we know is "it can light up a continent", but it came from a guy who knows next to nothing of the gauntletSpinosaurus75DinosaurFan said:
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