Othinus Fate Manip?

[Antvasima]

@DontTalkDT

What do you think that we should do here?

 

[Accelerate420]

Othinus has 50% chance of using 100% power. Also actions resulting in the negative seem to vary depending on the amount of power required to perform tasks. hence she didn't just try make gungnir, lose a arm, reattach it and try again until she gets it.
She holds back alot, enough that the backlash doesn't harm her much or in a noticeable fashion, otherwise Othinus would be extremely easy to defeat, just send numbers at her and eventually her power fails and she loses regardless of how powerful the enemy is. However we know that is not possible, as it is stated only a few people can match her whilst holding back enough to not noticeably harm herself (Fiamma, Ollerus) which also adds credit to the unknown rating.

TL;DR: Othinus holds back her power to avoid big backlash, which puts her around the planet level mark where he power can't harm her much

the key should stay. it's not as clear as 50/50 i win i lose as people think.

While I agree with you, we're still with the pretense that we're going with "will her attack work or hurt her" so it's still not fair and a poor fight match since regardless of whether she'll be careful with it, we still CANT DEBATE WHETHER IT'LL GO NEGATIVE OR POSITIVE. It doesn't change anything. Either her attacks will work or they won't, and you can't leave that up to whatever the side with the most bias wants to say.

That's just what it ends up as. A bias match. Hence why I think that key should stay, but shouldn't be versus applicable.

 

[TIHYDDWBE]

if she gets paired against planet level opponents i think it would be ok. the specific reasons can be discussed per thread.

as a note idrc about the vs threads but the key should stay.

 

[Antvasima]

How about a footnote in the profile then?

 

[Scrlk666777]

if she gets paired against planet level opponents i think it would be ok. the specific reasons can be discussed per thread.
as a note idrc about the vs threads but the key should stay.

It's not going to make a difference if it's planet level or not. The issue is that Othinus' 50/50 key cannot bring out a decisive match because either side can argue for or against Othinus winning or losing, it will bring good debate but the outcome will be invalid or the winner will be based on biasness. I don't think the key should be removed but I think it should be banned from Vs. battles.

 

[Accelerate420]

if she gets paired against planet level opponents i think it would be ok. the specific reasons can be discussed per thread.
as a note idrc about the vs threads but the key should stay.

I guess that's fair. But like Scrik said it'll be a biased outcome regardless of the debate it will bring because I can easily say that she'll hit a good possibility and instant kill depending on the dura of the opponent or mechanic she wants to use or someone else can say she'll keep hitting bad while the other opponent instant kills her.

So, surely you see what I mean when I say it's just not a good idea in general for either characters of the match up. It's a luck match up and you legit can't quantify luck in this type of form compared to say, Komaeda Nagito from DR or Hamazura-luck.

A note would be good. Something about being advised against making matches of this key due to the mechanics.

 

[Antvasima]

Suggestions regarding what the text of the footnote should say are appreciated.

 

[Scrlk666777]

I'm not sure maybe the note can say that battles in that particular Othinus' key for one wont be added to the character profiles.

 

[Antvasima]

We need a bit more information than that regarding why.

 

[Accelerate420]

"Due to the 50/50 chance mechanics of her attacks working or hurting herself, this key is unfit for versus debates" sound good? I don't want to clutter, but if I can make it longer I can go further into detail.

 

[Antvasima]

I suppose that seems fine.

 

[Accelerate420]

I also believe the Dying Through Fairy Key shouldn't be used as well, considering her powers are extremely weak in that form and she's dying, but I think that's a debate for another day and can be discussed next time.

 

[Antvasima]

Are the rest of you fine with if I add that text in a footnote in the page?

 

[TIHYDDWBE]

tonnes of versus matches are a bad idea. don't ban them all just because of that. I just don't see a need for this since it's like, not even a problem to begin with. If people started spamming it and it got annoying then yeah maybe?

we're basically making a problem out of nothing as far as I can tell

 

[Accelerate420]

If it's not a probem right now, then there's no problem adding it to prevent anything in the future, right? If everyone else is against it, that's okay. I don't mind keeping it.

 

[Antvasima]

I think that it seems better to add the footnote.

 

[DontTalkDT]

As for what to actually put on the key: Planet level (superior to her Dying through Fairy Spell version, easily crushed the Invisible Thing), likely High Complex Multiversal level via 50/50 reality warping (most likely just as strong as her fully powered self, but only has a 50% chance of success and a 50% chance of it backfiring)

Everyone ok with that?


I'm not sure if we need to ban her from vs-threads. I would agree if she used reality warping right away no matter what.

However, in character Othinus will not do so unless she is cornered (or angry like in Thors case). Usually she will fight without it. If she can win via her other stuff (Crossbow + Explosion spam + Turn into a fairy) she can have a win without coin toss. Likewise, if a character can take her out without bringing her in a situation where she would rather rely on a coin toss to win, she can still lose.

So while Inconclusive is definitely much more common than for an average character other outcomes realistically exist.

 

[Antvasima]

I am fine with DontTalkDT's conclusions.

 

[Accelerate420]

Seems fine to me then. I just don't like seeing biased matches where people are stuck debating whether her killing move will be positive or negativity, because then it goes nowhere. But I can live with that for sure.

 

[Antvasima]

@DontTalkDT

Are you willing to apply the changes?

 

[TIHYDDWBE]

I am fine with what DT said aswell

 

[XDragnoir]

Going with what DT said, will 50/50 be 5B with H1C hax?

 

[DontTalkDT]

I applied stuff.

 

[Antvasima]

@DontTalkDT

Thank you for the help.

@All

What is left to do here?

 

[Accelerate420]

I think that's all, this can be closed now.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.