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Orthic Zeus Vs Grand Priest

Paulo.junior.969 said:
Yeah, you basically summed it up, if you're stronger than someone who is a space-time, but has no feats of destroying a space-time, then you can't destroy a space-time, it's the classic area of effect, just because you're stronger than someone, doesn't mean you have the same range or can destroy the same thing. GP has really nothing that can get rid of all of the past, present and future at once, and Ultra Intinct can't really dodge an attack from a omnipresent, so, yeah, GP gets eaten.
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It's kinda of sad to see this, because it proves not only that you have no idea of what you're talking about, as it proves you didn't read the opening post.
 
You mean equalized speed? Doesn't get rid of omnipresence, only prevents speed blitz, since Omnipresence isn't only speed, it's a state of being. Also, Ad Hominem is not going to give GP the win.
 
Paulo.junior.969 said:
You mean equalized speed? Doesn't get rid of omnipresence, only prevents speed blitz. Also, Ad Hominem is not going to give GP the win.
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Speed equal means that either Grand Priest is Omnipresent in this fight (which would give him unfair advantage in this fight) or downgrade Zeus to MFTL+ (which wouldn't affect the tide of battle too much as one can exist in the present, past and future without Omnipresence as you should know).
 
"Yeah, you basically summed it up, if you're stronger than someone who is a space-time, but has no feats of destroying a space-time, then you can't destroy a space-time" That's quite contradictory... So, can Grand Priest kill Infinite Zamasu?
 
Linkfoi12 said:
"Yeah, you basically summed it up, if you're stronger than someone who is a space-time, but has no feats of destroying a space-time, then you can't destroy a space-time" That's quite contradictory... So, can Grand Priest kill Infinite Zamasu?
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Yes, he can kill Infinite Zamasu. Heck, he can kill Whis who can dispose of Jiren with a hand tied around his back.
 
Overpowering a 5-B attack does not give you planetary range, being stronger than a 4-A does not automatically give you interstellar range, being stronger than a Low 2-C does not automatically allow you to affect an entire timeline at once, etc.
 
Linkfoi12 said:
You aren't answering the question. Can he defeat Infinite Zamasu?
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He won't answer, he knows that if he says yes, the Grand Priest wins. It's obvious that he can, all he needs to do is fire an energy blast big enough to encompass one entire universe and overpower it's space-time. Seeing how Jiren overpowered literal time-stop being applied to his body and Grand Priest's casual change of the aspect of a literal world of infinite void, it's not unlikely. It's the opposite, it's highly unlikely he can't do that.
 
Is that so? Does he have to show it? Shall we Downgrade Asriel to Universal+ for his range, as he only destroyed a Timeline, and he's infinity times stronger than someone who already has Universal+ range, but my your own claim, AP doesn't scale to Range. Shall we also downgrade quite a lot of characters who doesn't show the range to destroy something, but just scales to other characters.... but their AP is on a much higher level?
 
Linkfoi12 said:
Is that so? Does he have to show it? Shall we Downgrade Asriel to Universal+ for his range, as he only destroyed a Timeline, and he's infinity times stronger than someone who already has Universal+ range, but my your own claim, AP doesn't scale to Range. Shall we also downgrade quite a lot of characters who doesn't show the range to destroy something, but just scales to other characters.... but their AP is on a much higher level?
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Asriel can't destroy infinite universe, heck, there aren't even infinite universes in Undertale. AP does not equal what you can destroy, it's just the power of your attack, as the name says "Attack Potency". Also, I never, ever, said that GP should be downgraded, he is Low 2-C, it just happens that being Low 2-C does not mean you can destroy a timeline, it just means that your attack is as powerful as the destruction of a timeline, but being as powerful as something does not mean it will have the same effect as something.
 
Downgrade Asriel range than, and plenty of other characters while you're at it. Of course, we don't want to double standards ourselves. And again, you're contradicting yourself. Low 2-C is required to be able to destroy space-time.
 
Asriel can't destroy infinite universe, heck, there aren't even infinite universes in Undertale. AP does not equal what you can destroy, it's just the power of your attack, as the name says "Attack Potency". Also, I never, ever, said that GP should be downgraded, he is Low 2-C, it just happens that being Low 2-C does not mean you can destroy a timeline.

Read the Tiering System
 
Linkfoi12 said:
Downgrade Asriel range than, and plenty of other characters while you're at it. Of course, we don't want to double standards ourselves. And again, you're contradicting yourself. Low 2-C is required to be able to destroy space-time.
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Honestly, Asriel really shouldn't have 2-A range, I actually have no idea why he has that.
 
I did. Most of the tiers mention how harming someone with that level of durability also puts you on this level, not only destroying that much.

No, on the Low-2C that's not what is stated.

Honestly, I think this has gone too far. We need to call an admnistrator.
 
Seriously tho, now that you mentioned it, why does the "those who can easily harm characters with X level durability" stop when it reaches 5-C? Do we not powerscale from Tier 5 and above now?
 
Paulo.junior.969 said:
Seriously tho, now that you mentioned it, why does the "those who can easily harm characters with X level durability" stop when it reaches 5-C? Do we not powerscale from Tier 5 and above now?
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We're not getting anywhere with this discussion. We need one of the staff members to analyze it and give their veredict of this thing we're calling a thread.
 
No, scaling does not stop at 5-C. I don't know why it stopped; probably just an oversight or it was assumed to be superfluous at that point. So what exactly needs solving here?
 
Their range was downgraded by Matt long ago, but since Beerus and Champa's feat is now taken into account, they should get their Universal+ range back.
 
No no, you're thinking of a different feat.

When Goku and Beerus clashed, they would have obliterated all the matter in the universe. When Champa and Beerus clashed, both of their universes would have been destroyed. There is no way that they would have been able to destroy all the matter within separate universes without going past space-time barriers.
 
Off topic, but wasn't there a thread that made it clear the DB multiverse has countless timelines via Trunks' statement? Wouldn't that make Zen'o 2-B via "He can wipe out all 12 universes in the blink of an eye!" "If another wish had been made.... he would have erased everything!" "If he wanted to, he coud erase the entire world!"
 
Okay so, Pretty sure people are being really dumb in this thread right now.

From Zeus' reasoning, he's about equal to Infinite Zamasu.

Infinite Zamasu is lesser to Jiren even when Casual. Goku only MAY have surpassed Beerus once he entered UIO Form.

So here, we have the scalings of

Zeus = Infinite Zamasu < Casual Jiren =< Possibly Beerus =< UIO Goku < Casual Jiren w/Aura < 2nd UIO Goku < Berserker Kefla < 3rd UIO Goku =< 100% Jiren < MUI Goku =< Limit Breaker Jiren < Enraged MUI Goku < Angels < Grand Priest.
 
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