- 4,105
- 2,149
Here's the deal. Calc Group members often need a base reference when measuring their stuff. In their case, they would often use either an official height from a piece of media, average height figures from the real world (in this case, 5'9" for a man and 5'4" for a woman), or a real-life reference object with a standardized or commonly-used size (basketballs, doors, coffins, etc). We already do this with real-life weaponry, so why the hell not? I think it would be cool if we allowed profiles to provide these stats, primarily to help Calc Group members with calcs, but also because a character's height can make it so they'd be hard to freaking hit! Goshdangit, Soul Calibur 4 Yoda!
Anyway, for the heights themselves, the only thing that should be mandatory about them is the type of source they came from, and a listing that says Varies in the event that the height figures are a bit inconsistent. The three mandatory source tags are as follows: Primary, Secondary, and Tertiary.
Let's start with the first one...
Primary
Primary is the tag to be used for officially stated or measured heights. With mangas, finding an official height should provide little or no issue. Goku, that one character every Vs Debater loves to pit against people, would have his height listed on the wiki as such: "5'9"/175 cm (Primary)". This is because his height figure came from officially-licensed media: the Dragon Ball: Super Exciting Guide (2009).: https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Goku
Mangas may even happily provide stipulations. One example where you can see stipulations is in Debby the Corsifa, whose height is officially stated to be 149 cm (4'10.66") excluding her "horn-like parts" (which look like cat ears) and heels:
When a character's height is not stated in any official manner, another reference you could use is mugshots. Mugshots are used as official records for criminals, and in fiction, mugshots are often how you get directly-measured heights. An example of a mugshot being used as a reference in fiction would be Total Drama's Lindsay, whose height would be listed on her profile as "5'9"/175.26 cm (Primary)" from her mugshot.:
Fandom's many wikis often list out official heights for characters, so they're often a good place to start.
It may extend to even officially-licensed models with a scale. An example of such is the life-sized Mario statue often cited as Mario's official height, which was officially licensed by Nintendo and sold for a limited time on Amazon in 2013. The statue lists Mario's height as 155 cm (5'1") from the top of his cap down.:
The last thing to consider would be ID cards. In the case of James P. Sullivan, a scarer card largely resembling a baseball card puts his height at 7'6":
I had noted inconsistencies when it comes to heights, even Primary heights. A good example of this would be Marge Simpson. In a couch gag, which is linked in the verse profile, Marge stands well over 7 feet, with a quick ruler measurement giving me a height figure of 7'6". HOWEVER, in one episode, after Marge trips the alarm in the Kwik-E-Mart, Apu had Marge stand next to a height chart and recorded Marge's height as 8'6". You can plainly see it in the episode's gallery: https://simpsons.fandom.com/wiki/Marge_in_Chains/Gallery
By extension, this would give Marge a listed height of "Varies; 7'6" to 8'6" (from top of hair down) (Primary)" on her profile.
Another example of the official height varying would be the Pikmin, whose manuals give Pikmin heights ranging from 13 to 18 mm from the base of their stem down: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Pikmin_(Verse)
Sometimes, primary heights are directly gotten using nondescript units. In Chowder, Shnitzel's height is listed as 4 nondescript units according to a police lineup. In Mighty Magiswords, on the other hand, the Magisword salesman Raphio was directly measured at 39 ticks off the Measuring Tape Magisword. I'd watch out for those if I were you.
Now that we got that out of the way, we shall move on to the next category: secondary.
Secondary
Secondary is the tag used for the following:
Peach is about the most recognizable princess alongside the Disney princesses and is largely infamous for getting kidnapped half the time (to a point where DeviantART likes to poke fun at the fact), yet at the same time, Peach is a fairly sizable woman. In games from 64 onward, Peach is consistently depicted with a height of 6'0", ±1 inch excluding her crown based off Mario's height. This should give her a height rating of "Around 6'/183 cm (Secondary; based on Mario's height)"
Another example of a secondary height figure would be Chara/Frisk (Undertale), whose height was measured off a kitchen sink of all things. Their height (apparently they're non-binary) would be considered an example of a Secondary height.
Another good example of a secondary height would be the Quaggled Mireclops from Pikmin. The Mireclops is the single largest creature in the Pikmin series, with a legspan of 94 cm. This would grant a size rating of "94 cm (legspan) (Secondary; based on Pikmin measurements)"
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Flashlight237/Quaggled_Mireclops_Size
Secondary height is more variable and this variation sometimes stems from the lack of an official lineup. Sometimes it's the case of the material being a bit all over the place. Like for example, @JTGamer96 graciously measured Bowser's height in various platformers, where figures varied from 1.55 to 4.5 meters: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:JTGamer96/Bowser's_Height
Now for the last category: tertiary heights.
Tertiary
Tertiary is the tag used for the following:
Tertiary heights have the greatest potential to vary due to the sheer volatile nature of them. While tertiary height can be set in stone like in the case of the characters from Total Drama Revenge of the Island and Total Drama Pahkitew Island, Tertiary heights are prone to being switched up just by the reference points being changed or even an official height figure being put out for people.
Weight
Weight has some uses, like in a Vs thread where weight would be pitted against a character's lifting strength. However, unlike height which gets used in calculations constantly, weight has some pretty niche uses despite official figures sometimes being given out. Weight can be ignored completely for characters the size of insects or smaller due to the sheer fact that bugs aren't often measured for weight, plus Mr. Burns and Togame can still hold up macroscopic objects despite their... Reputation. Unlike with height, I think weight can be noted with only two categories: Official and Calculated. Examples of official weights include Owen from Total Drama weighing 296 lbs and Wario weighing 308 lbs. Calculated weights are weights either measured off volume (ex. Stinger Flynn's weight of just over 1000 metric tons) or off Square-Cube Law (ex. Gigantamaxed Pokemon and Babe the Blue Ox). I won't prattle on too long on this as there isn't really much else to say about weight.
But yeah, there you have it. I think this might help people out with calculations PROVIDED we source things. Mhmm.
Anyway, for the heights themselves, the only thing that should be mandatory about them is the type of source they came from, and a listing that says Varies in the event that the height figures are a bit inconsistent. The three mandatory source tags are as follows: Primary, Secondary, and Tertiary.
Let's start with the first one...
Primary
Primary is the tag to be used for officially stated or measured heights. With mangas, finding an official height should provide little or no issue. Goku, that one character every Vs Debater loves to pit against people, would have his height listed on the wiki as such: "5'9"/175 cm (Primary)". This is because his height figure came from officially-licensed media: the Dragon Ball: Super Exciting Guide (2009).: https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Goku
Mangas may even happily provide stipulations. One example where you can see stipulations is in Debby the Corsifa, whose height is officially stated to be 149 cm (4'10.66") excluding her "horn-like parts" (which look like cat ears) and heels:
When a character's height is not stated in any official manner, another reference you could use is mugshots. Mugshots are used as official records for criminals, and in fiction, mugshots are often how you get directly-measured heights. An example of a mugshot being used as a reference in fiction would be Total Drama's Lindsay, whose height would be listed on her profile as "5'9"/175.26 cm (Primary)" from her mugshot.:
Fandom's many wikis often list out official heights for characters, so they're often a good place to start.
It may extend to even officially-licensed models with a scale. An example of such is the life-sized Mario statue often cited as Mario's official height, which was officially licensed by Nintendo and sold for a limited time on Amazon in 2013. The statue lists Mario's height as 155 cm (5'1") from the top of his cap down.:
The last thing to consider would be ID cards. In the case of James P. Sullivan, a scarer card largely resembling a baseball card puts his height at 7'6":
I had noted inconsistencies when it comes to heights, even Primary heights. A good example of this would be Marge Simpson. In a couch gag, which is linked in the verse profile, Marge stands well over 7 feet, with a quick ruler measurement giving me a height figure of 7'6". HOWEVER, in one episode, after Marge trips the alarm in the Kwik-E-Mart, Apu had Marge stand next to a height chart and recorded Marge's height as 8'6". You can plainly see it in the episode's gallery: https://simpsons.fandom.com/wiki/Marge_in_Chains/Gallery
By extension, this would give Marge a listed height of "Varies; 7'6" to 8'6" (from top of hair down) (Primary)" on her profile.
Another example of the official height varying would be the Pikmin, whose manuals give Pikmin heights ranging from 13 to 18 mm from the base of their stem down: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Pikmin_(Verse)
Sometimes, primary heights are directly gotten using nondescript units. In Chowder, Shnitzel's height is listed as 4 nondescript units according to a police lineup. In Mighty Magiswords, on the other hand, the Magisword salesman Raphio was directly measured at 39 ticks off the Measuring Tape Magisword. I'd watch out for those if I were you.
Now that we got that out of the way, we shall move on to the next category: secondary.
Secondary
Secondary is the tag used for the following:
- Heights measured off a character with an official height.
- Heights measured off a real-world object with a standardized or common height.
Peach is about the most recognizable princess alongside the Disney princesses and is largely infamous for getting kidnapped half the time (to a point where DeviantART likes to poke fun at the fact), yet at the same time, Peach is a fairly sizable woman. In games from 64 onward, Peach is consistently depicted with a height of 6'0", ±1 inch excluding her crown based off Mario's height. This should give her a height rating of "Around 6'/183 cm (Secondary; based on Mario's height)"
Another example of a secondary height figure would be Chara/Frisk (Undertale), whose height was measured off a kitchen sink of all things. Their height (apparently they're non-binary) would be considered an example of a Secondary height.
Another good example of a secondary height would be the Quaggled Mireclops from Pikmin. The Mireclops is the single largest creature in the Pikmin series, with a legspan of 94 cm. This would grant a size rating of "94 cm (legspan) (Secondary; based on Pikmin measurements)"
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Flashlight237/Quaggled_Mireclops_Size
Secondary height is more variable and this variation sometimes stems from the lack of an official lineup. Sometimes it's the case of the material being a bit all over the place. Like for example, @JTGamer96 graciously measured Bowser's height in various platformers, where figures varied from 1.55 to 4.5 meters: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:JTGamer96/Bowser's_Height
Now for the last category: tertiary heights.
Tertiary
Tertiary is the tag used for the following:
- Heights measured off characters with Secondary heights, meaning they are scaled off characters that whose height figures were previously measured off characters with official heights.
- Heights based off rules-of-thumb and hypotheticals that the Calc Group used. Yes, I'm docking you guys down to Tertiary. You're not the makers of the franchises we index; don't act like you are.
Tertiary heights have the greatest potential to vary due to the sheer volatile nature of them. While tertiary height can be set in stone like in the case of the characters from Total Drama Revenge of the Island and Total Drama Pahkitew Island, Tertiary heights are prone to being switched up just by the reference points being changed or even an official height figure being put out for people.
Weight
Weight has some uses, like in a Vs thread where weight would be pitted against a character's lifting strength. However, unlike height which gets used in calculations constantly, weight has some pretty niche uses despite official figures sometimes being given out. Weight can be ignored completely for characters the size of insects or smaller due to the sheer fact that bugs aren't often measured for weight, plus Mr. Burns and Togame can still hold up macroscopic objects despite their... Reputation. Unlike with height, I think weight can be noted with only two categories: Official and Calculated. Examples of official weights include Owen from Total Drama weighing 296 lbs and Wario weighing 308 lbs. Calculated weights are weights either measured off volume (ex. Stinger Flynn's weight of just over 1000 metric tons) or off Square-Cube Law (ex. Gigantamaxed Pokemon and Babe the Blue Ox). I won't prattle on too long on this as there isn't really much else to say about weight.
But yeah, there you have it. I think this might help people out with calculations PROVIDED we source things. Mhmm.
