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So why is it only the lower showings count but not high.
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Optimus Prime (Bayformers) Upgrade
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Consistency.
But more specifically, consistency within context. In context, if Prime was tier 3, people who could harm him like Starscream getting bodied by the military would make even less sense then they do right now.
What, am I supposed to believe these dickheads who are supposedly comparable to the Big Bang can be breathed on by anything humanity has to offer?
It's still questionable with Low 7-B but at least with that I can argue tier 8 explosions could do damage to their internals, unlike tier 3 where anything short of tier 4 stuff doing that raises eyebrows.
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Yeah there's quite a plenty of anti-feats. For one, how can Bayverse Optimus be universe+ when he literally gets harmed by human weaponry?
Disagree FRA
Disagree FRA
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IIRC they reversed engineered Megatron and got more cybertron technology from the Autobots later. They also found their weakness to heat. This is like saying Superman isn’t solar system level because of his weakness to kryptonite.
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And apparently bullets too right?
Difference is Superman is very rarely harmed by bullets, while the autobots seem to live and breathe getting ****** by the things
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He doesn’t have a weakness to bullets unless they’re kryptonite infused.
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Read my post again, slowly.
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Sounds like you're trying to say superman has a weakness to bullets but it doesn't matter because he rarely gets harmed by them so the kryptonite argument doesn't apply. Can you elaborate more?
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The difference between Superman and Bayverse is one is rarely harmed by bullets, while the other regularly is damaged by them.
Hint hint, it's Bayformers that are damaged by bullets
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Both which exploit weaknesses.
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Bullets don't get that hot unless they're incendiaries
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You're gonna need a scan for that, and again, that really doesn't explain how his reaction speed would be comparable to his in space flight speed.
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First transformer to take damage from bullets was Scorponok (he loses the end of his tail). The bullets were 105mm HE shells which burn up to 5,400 F. Second transformer was optimus prime and he was damaged by the same thing.
Megatron in beast wars taking g1 Megatron’s spark gave him a speed boost.
A different feat to go off of is in here. Optimus sends a ftl signal. Signals can be a form of energy.
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That doesn't scale to reactions or anything tho. It's not like any of the characters would be reacting to anything. A human isn't Supersonic because they can receive radio signals.
That's an entirely different continuity.
Except Optimus can literally tank re entry heat, which is 7000 degrees. So that argument falls flat.
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Notice how most of the big feats are re-entry? Yeah this is it.
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Their spark affects their speed so since his spark is a bigger energy source it'll scale to it.
It's still made of Energon.
First time was in protoform mode, second time was after he upgraded himself. There's also a difference between direct and indirect heat. Humans also have cybertronian technology which means the alloys in the metal can be different.
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Making them faster =/= full scaling. You have to prove a UES for that.
Different canons don't effect each other.
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He does this exact thing in TLK, which has a similar atmosphere to Earth so not really.
Humans did not utilize Cybertronian technology until like, TLK. The tech they use is very clearly shown to be just regular human weaponry.
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They use a cybertronian rail gun to destroy devastator in rof.
The official profile says his travel speed should scale to his combat speed. At the end of AOE he gains interstellar flight speed.
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It's an exception. Every other weapon shown is shown to be based on irl stuff
Scan for the the first one?
Optimus' flight speed is only Massively Hypersonic+. And him travelling to Earth to Jupiter in like 5 years would be like, High Hypersonic. His flight speed is in no way FTL.
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I'm not arguing that Optimus is universal but they did explicitly switch to incendiary weapons halfway through the first movie. After their battle with Scorponok, Lennox told the Air Force to switch to sabot rounds and Simmons told the soldiers to use sabot rounds for their grenade launchers for the final battle. So, it's not a stretch to say they were using incendiary rounds for rifles.
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Jupiter is 0.00001581 light years from earth. Since he made it in 5 years he should have ftl travel speed.
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5 years = 1,577e+8 secs
Jupiter to Earth --> 714 million km
714.000.000/157.700.000 = 4,527 km/s (Hypersonic+)
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A light-year is the distance light travels in one earth year. 5 x 0.00001581 = 0.00007905. This is far from one whole light year.5 years = 1,577e+8 secs
Jupiter to Earth --> 714 million km
714.000.000/157.700.000 = 4,527 km/s (Hypersonic+)
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A light-year --> 9,461e+12 km
0,00001581*9.461.000.000.000 = 149.578.410 km
149.578.410/157.700.000 = 0,94 km/s (Your numbers are even worse)
And your number is wrong, since Jupiter is 0,000085062 light-year from Earth
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Actually Jupiter is 0.000075575559633 light years from earth, since the distance in km is 715000000.00227 and that converts to said number. So you're wrong too. Also why do you think he is flying exactly as the years go by?
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Me when I don't know the meaning of the word AVERAGE
The distance between Earth and Jupiter varies depending on the date and position of the two celestial bodies, I literally just search the distance jupiter to earth in light-year and get one of the possible values: 0,000085048 light-year.
Also none of the possible values match with your value (0,00001581), which you got from I don't know where
What are you talking about? This argument just break your entire CRT, since he don't have a single MFTL+ feat
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I’m not using that number anymore.
You were using the seconds of the years in your calculation.
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I’m comparing him to the speed of light.
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light takes minutes to go to Jupiter, Optimus is much slower than speed of light
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Light travels at 300,000 kilometers per second in a vacuum. If Jupiter is 600,000,000 kilometers away from Earth on average, it would only take light 2,000 seconds to get there or roughly 34 minutes.
Optimus taking five years is a crippling speed anti-feat for being MFTL+, not a feat for it.
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Well for one
- The profile is wrong, since neither linked scene shows him moving with his jets
- Optimus has no MFTL feats with his jets
- Nothing in those scene would prove scaling Megatron's interstellar flightspeed to his combat speed
Same way how being empowered by the Cube doesn't give them universal levels of attack power.
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They do. For example a singularity caused in the Unicron trilogy affects the g1 verse in a scene from galaxy force.
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Dude, this is just a simple cameo. This isn't actually the G1 characters. And the Bayverse has nothing to do with Beast Wars.They do. For example a singularity caused in the Unicron trilogy affects the g1 verse in a scene from galaxy force.
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You can't exactly see the alloys.
I mean to say that canons can affect other canons.
It's what the creators think how fast he should be. May not be a raw number but it can be an estimate.
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There is nothing that vene indicates they are different from irl bullets.
And as I've said, Beast Wars has nothing to do with Bayverse.
I don't see how this counters my claim, if anything, it just backs up that the writer doesn't think Megatron can fly at FTL.
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They reverse engineered megatrons weaponry.
Unicron is in both.
He nearly has the highest ratings, not the lowest.
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Now prove without a shadow of a doubt they applied that to their weaponry.
In forms so different that it makes the difference between your argument and being correct seem close.
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