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OPM Virtual Genocide Simulation upgrade and Multiplier

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I mean this isn't going anywhere. Just tally the votes. DDM and Reiner agree with the AD addition and are neutral with the 2x multiplier, Damage disagrees with the multiplier and had no input on AD and I agreed with AD and disagreed with the multiplier. So you have the following:
  • Accelerated Development Change: 3 Agree | 1 No Comment
  • 2x Multiplier: 2 Neutral | 2 Disagree
The first one is accepted and the second one almost rejected unless a staff member swapped positions.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
I mean this isn't going anywhere. Just tally the votes. DDM and Reiner agree with the AD addition and are neutral with the 2x multiplier, Damage disagrees with the multiplier and had no input on AD and I agreed with AD and disagreed with the multiplier. So you have the following:
  • Accelerated Development Change: 3 Agree | 1 No Comment
  • 2x Multiplier: 2 Neutral | 2 Disagree
The first one is accepted and the second one almost rejected unless a staff member swapped positions.
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Then if it's not a bother, could you write everything you disagree for the multiplier in one comment please?

Then i'll do the same for why i think it's agreeable.

(The purpose is for other staff members to find it faster rather than reading the entire page, for the votes to be faster etc.)
 
MrTayman616 said:
Then if it's not a bother, could you write everything you disagree for the multiplier in one comment please?
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To repost my core statements
I agree with including it in his accelerated development, but not on an unstated hard multiplier. Saitama has been bald for an entire year by the time he meets Genos, which going by the OP would be a bare minimum 2^365 stat increase, which means whatever his base number was, it was then multiplied by 75 Quintrigintillion. Which isn't supported in any capacity and is far to massive to make.

Even with the VGA being like 60 days ago in-universe, that's an increase of 1.1 Quintillion. You'd need hard statements for numbers like that rule wise.
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He'd be 3-B within two days and would be 3-A in 80 days. If he grows at the rate you're suggesting (as in Garou or Saitama's rage amps), he'd be 3-A is roughly 9 days.
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The scale is so massive and stacks so quickly that it breaks our rules. You'd need an in-universe statement and not scaling to get this level of an upgrade.
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I agree with including it in his accelerated development, but not on an unstated hard multiplier. Saitama has been bald for an entire year by the time he meets Genos, which going by the OP would be a bare minimum 2^365 stat increase, which means whatever his base number was, it was then multiplied by 75 Quintrigintillion. Which isn't supported in any capacity and is far to massive to make.

Even with the VGA being like 60 days ago in-universe, that's an increase of 1.1 Quintillion. You'd need hard statements for numbers like that rule wise.
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2^365 days isn't usable here nor it will change the stats of Saitama until Monster HQ arc. Because we don't know at what rate he was growing each day after he broke his limiter.

We only know that he grows enough to one shot himself each day within the time when VGS happened and after, it wouldn't affect anything before that since they can't be valued correctly. And even Garou who broke his limiter, wasn't growing as fast as Saitama, it was the day he broke it. supporting this argument. Not just that but Garou himself stated that his acceleration was getting faster over and over after all. It'd be the same for Saitama who broke his limiter. Even we could clearly see the difference in speed of his growth by his feats(Garou).

At most it'd make 20-40 days since VGS(after Boros but before Gouketsu) since that's the earliest we know his daily growth level has reached these leves. Even going retroactively, His current value 5.6394e+63 / 2^40 = 5.12900442e51 which still suits his canonical strength within the entire series (him being strong enough to one shot the characters, suits it).

The graph itself is a statement here. Supported by the martial art. In the same fight, It is stated by Garou that Saitama wasn't capable of one shotting him at that level(Saitama being 2x stronger-or more-) there. While Saitama from VGS has a statement of one shotting himself via growth in a day.

Garou's stats are completely based on Saitama here, Same for VGS Saitama. Both fights are Saitama vs Saitama. Saitama from Garou fight can't one shot Saitama of the past while Saitama from VGS grew enough to one shot him.
He'd be 3-B within two days and would be 3-A in 80 days. If he grows at the rate you're suggesting (as in Garou or Saitama's rage amps), he'd be 3-A is roughly 9 days.
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He would be 3-B in 18 days after Monster HQ. He'd reach universal in 96 days after Monster HQ. It's not like this is wrong or anything though, Saitama and Garou has removed their Limiter* and can reach any finite level of power over time. We also know they can grow tiers above their current level as well(Garou is shown to do it many times).

One shotting yourself after a day itself is an insane feat, no matter what, the result would be high.

I never said anything about using Garou and Saitama's rage amps level growth rate value.
The scale is so massive and stacks so quickly that it breaks our rules. You'd need an in-universe statement and not scaling to get this level of an upgrade.
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Not sure why or how it breaks rules. As one shotting yourself after a day itself is an insane feat, no matter what, the result would be high.

The statements are already in-universe. One shot statements, the graph before Garou makes the statement of one shot, the martial art. Both enemies are Saitama(One is Garou who's stats are Saitama's of a little before and VGS Saitama who's Saitama of yesterday.)

The statements are clear, the values are consistent with the verse. There isn't an inconsistency and it only applies to Saitama, Only after Monster HQ arc(After VGS but that Saitama is already weaker than the current Saitama by like His current value/2^30).

There shouldn't be a problem for this to be added. (Or possibly at least? It should fully be there though in my opinion)

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That's all i guess... Sorry and thanks for everyone who bothers to read it 🙏(because of the size).

Edit: If this is accepted, His Post-Balding version will get something around x2^7 , x2^14 (based on how many days passed since Monster HQ arc, which is around a week or two if irrc) and Saitama's Post Training Accelerated Development section (Saitama's strength increases drastically by the day). If not, Only Saitama's Post Training Accelerated Development section (Saitama's strength increases drastically by the day) will be applied
 
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The funniest part of this thread is the fact that first season Saitama will not scale to second season Saitama and so on, first season Saitama will be a High 6-A+ or 5-C

Edit: Bro, Cosmic Garou one-shot first season Saitama
 
EnderLord8 said:
The funniest part of this thread is the fact that first season Saitama will not scale to second season Saitama and so on, first season Saitama will be a High 6-A+ or 5-C
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I'm like, 99% sure that you're wrong there due to how high we rate Saitama currently:
  • Day 1: Saitama meets Genos
  • Day 8: Genos goes to Saitama and ask to be his pupil
  • Day 9: Paradisers attack + Sonic
  • Day 10-11 (65 Days before Chapter 171): Genos and Saitama join the Hero Association + Genos sparring match
  • Day 17-18: Sonic's rematch with Saitama
  • Unknown Time: Meteor arc
  • Unknown Tim + 3 Days: Post Meteor Arc
  • Day 31-32 (44 Days before Chapter 171): Deep Sea King arc
  • Day 32-33 (43 Days before Chapter 171): Saitama being promoted to B Class
  • Day 33-34: Boros arc starts
  • Day 35-36: Earliest point where the VGS Simulation can happen
  • Days 35-72 or 36-73: Entire MA and Garou arc
  • Day 73-74 (2 Days before Chapter 171): Saitama is promoted to A-Class
  • Day 75-76: Chapter 171
  • After this, it's hard to gage from Chapter 171 to 202. But lets say like, 7 days for the Sisters Arc and Ninjas
From there you have the following:
  1. Saying that Saitama only started to double in power on Day 35
    • Day 72 (Pre-Rage Boost): 1.12788e+64 Joules
    • Day 35: 1.12788e+64 Joules / 2^(72-35) = 8.20640707e+52 Joules (4-B)
  2. If you assumed its from the start though you'd get
    • Day 72 (Pre-Garou): 1.12788e+64 Joules
    • Day 1: 1.12788e+64 Joules / 2^(72-1) = 4.7767576e+42 Joules (High 4-C)
  3. Post rage amp it would be some number times 2^9 (512) which would give him a 3-B rating with his possibly rating or a 3-C with his 4-A rating.
To hit High 6-A, you'd have to go back 83 days from his Garou fight. The earliest concrete time I can find is that Genos is the first person to jump to S-Class instantly in 2-years, which would have to be King who went to S-Class after killing Vaccine Man. Now, at that point, the numbers are nonsensical, since while it does line up with Saitama's stated three years of training and balding after one year; it would mean from Vaccine Man to Day 16-17 was 730 days. Which leads to a boost of 5.648e+219, and why the OP does not want to apply the strength boost retroactively. I guess if you wanted an average boost, then the wiki assumes Saitama's max pre-bald strength scales to Tornado. So it would be 7.64946924e+28 Joules. To get from 7.64946924e+28 Joules to 1.12788e+64 Joules, you'd have to have a power increase of 1.47445e+35x, which amounts to Saitama gaining roughly 1.859e+32 Joules of strength per day every day for this entire time period until he fought Cosmic Garou.

Using the OP's math with the above, Saitama would still need to gain a 1,072,807,382,123,677,903,697,276x increase from his Pre-Bald State to his VGA strength in 765 days. Which is a 1.075x daily strength increase per day until it randomly doubles on the VGA day for no particular reason.
EnderLord8 said:
Edit: Bro, Cosmic Garou one-shot first season Saitama
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Cosmic Garou would one-shot Saitama from roughly three days before the MA invasion arc unless Saitama got a rage increase going by the OP's scaling. Though CF Garou one-shotting DSK Saitama wouldn't be outlandish from the OP's Power Scaling perspective, even if it is non-sensical looking narratively.

Pre-Saitama CF Garou scales to 7.5670264e+61 Joules. He'd one-shot Saitama from 8 days ago.
 
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EnderLord8 said:
Edit: Bro, Cosmic Garou one-shot first season Saitama
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Cosmic Garou one shots many Saitama (has always been the case). Why does it feel new? (or you mean the first moment of Cosmic Fear Garou, harder to tell)
Qawsedf234 said:
To hit High 6-A, you'd have to go back 83 days from his Garou fight. The earliest concrete time I can find is that Genos is the first person to jump to S-Class instantly in 2-years, which would have to be King who went to S-Class after killing Vaccine Man. Now, at that point, the numbers are nonsensical, since while it does line up with Saitama's stated three years of training and balding after one year; it would mean from Vaccine Man to Day 16-17 was 730 days
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2 years thing from Genos is wrong considering every other chapter. Metal Bat became an S class a year ago, King became S-class even sooner than that since Metal Bat was summoned for Vaccine Man as an S class. Not just that But Saitama was bald. (Maybe Genos's situation is someone who joined S-class after taking the test or something)

Vaccine Man happened less than a year ago. Months before the current day. Also based on the wiki (and chapter 2 which shows 3 years before Vaccine Man). It happened a little before Beefcake. literally at the start of the series. So it happened around 2 months from now.
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Which leads to a boost of 5.648e+219, and why the OP does not want to apply the strength boost retroactively. I guess if you wanted an average boost, then the wiki assumes Saitama's max pre-bald strength scales to Tornado. So it would be 7.64946924e+28 Joules. To get from 7.64946924e+28 Joules to 1.12788e+64 Joules, you'd have to have a power increase of 1.47445e+35x, which amounts to Saitama gaining roughly 1.859e+32 Joules of strength per day every day for this entire time period until he fought Cosmic Garou.

Using the OP's math with the above, Saitama would still need to gain a 1,072,807,382,123,677,903,697,276x increase from his Pre-Bald State to his VGA strength in 765 days. Which is a 1.075x daily strength increase per day until it randomly doubles on the VGA day for no particular reason.
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Garou's acceleration got higher and higher, both by his statements and visibly to us. Garou's current growth was slower than Saitama's as well. It is valid that the rate would go higher over time(or difference in strength?). VGS is the earliest we know that his growth day by day is around this level.
 
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MrTayman616 said:
. Not just that But Saitama was bald.
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Saitama was bald one year into his training and he trained for three years by the time he fought Carnage Kabuto. So he's been bald for two years by the time of Day 8.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
Translation I used said a year, so if you want to argue the point you'd have the get the raws and see which is right. Though like, this is ultimately not relevant to anything since it doesn't noticeably shift any of the complaints you'd have with the strength growth.
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I did check the raws. That's why i'm saying a year and a half. (Also the anime and cubari version as well)

Garou's acceleration got faster and faster, both by statements and visible feats. Garou had slower growth rate than Saitama as well. It is clear that Saitama of the one and a year before wouldn't grow as fast as current Saitama. That's why using 2x value for anything before VGS won't work at all as it is the earliest we know he grows that much.
 
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MrTayman616 said:
2^365 days isn't usable here nor it will change the stats of Saitama until Monster HQ arc. Because we don't know at what rate he was growing each day after he broke his limiter.

We only know that he grows enough to one shot himself each day within the time when VGS happened and after, it wouldn't affect anything before that since they can't be valued correctly. And even Garou who broke his limiter, wasn't growing as fast as Saitama, it was the day he broke it. supporting this argument. Not just that but Garou himself stated that his acceleration was getting faster over and over after all. It'd be the same for Saitama who broke his limiter. Even we could clearly see the difference in speed of his growth by his feats(Garou).

At most it'd make 20-40 days since VGS(after Boros but before Gouketsu) since that's the earliest we know his daily growth level has reached these leves. Even going retroactively, His current value 5.6394e+63 / 2^40 = 5.12900442e51 which still suits his canonical strength within the entire series (him being strong enough to one shot the characters, suits it).

The graph itself is a statement here. Supported by the martial art. In the same fight, It is stated by Garou that Saitama wasn't capable of one shotting him at that level(Saitama being 2x stronger-or more-) there. While Saitama from VGS has a statement of one shotting himself via growth in a day.

Garou's stats are completely based on Saitama here, Same for VGS Saitama. Both fights are Saitama vs Saitama. Saitama from Garou fight can't one shot Saitama of the past while Saitama from VGS grew enough to one shot him.

He would be 3-B in 18 days after Monster HQ. He'd reach universal in 96 days after Monster HQ. It's not like this is wrong or anything though, Saitama and Garou has removed their broken and can reach any finite level of power over time. We also know they can grow tiers above their current level as well(Garou is shown to do it many times).

One shotting yourself after a day itself is an insane feat, no matter what, the result would be high.

I never said anything about using Garou and Saitama's rage amps level growth rate value.

Not sure why or how it breaks rules. As one shotting yourself after a day itself is an insane feat, no matter what, the result would be high.

The statements are already in-universe. One shot statements, the graph before Garou makes the statement of one shot, the martial art. Both enemies are Saitama(One is Garou who's stats are Saitama's of a little before and VGS Saitama who's Saitama of yesterday.)

The statements are clear, the values are consistent with the verse. There isn't an inconsistency and it only applies to Saitama, Only after Monster HQ arc(After VGS but that Saitama is already weaker than the current Saitama by like His current value/2^30).

There shouldn't be a problem for this to be added. (Or possibly at least? It should fully be there though in my opinion)

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That's all i guess... Sorry and thanks for everyone who bothers to read it 🙏(because of the size).

Edit: If this is accepted, His Post-Balding version will get something around x2^7 , x2^14 (based on how many days passed since Monster HQ arc, which is around a week or two if irrc) and Saitama's Post Training Accelerated Development section (Saitama's strength increases drastically by the day). If not, Only Saitama's Post Training Accelerated Development section (Saitama's strength increases drastically by the day) will be applied
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I'd be fine with possibly.
 
I agree with the AD addition. Can't comment on the multiplier since idk the standard, though

Also, I'd like to mention that, regardless the multiplier passes or not, Garou should be able to, at least likely, one shot every Saitama up until the Saitama of the previous day to the MA Arc, as right after he appeared he copies a Consecutive Normal Punches capable to scratching and matching MA Arc Saitama. While a single, effortless normal punch from "today" Saitama would be able to one shot "yesterday" Saitama. So it wouldn't be much of a stretch to say that a Consecutive Normal Punch capable of damaging the Saitama after the growth would be able to, too
 
It should be fine here. The level of difference between Saitama and Garou(Who's entire stats are from Saitama's stats) was given when Garou stated the difference is still not one shot level yet. Same for the martial art where he doubles the attack power.

While Saitama after a day of growth did one shot VGS Saitama who had his stats of yesterday. Saitama had grown enough to one shot.

It would only apply to after VGS because we don't know the rate of Saitama's growth after he became bald, and based on what we have seen from Garou, who's acceleration got faster over time, both by statements and visibly by his feats, it's clear to say the rate of growth of Saitama when he got bald and Saitama at the time of VGS wouldn't be the same.

VGS happened after Boros, which should be around 20-40 days at most. VGS Saitama would be 2^40 weaker than Saitama. His current value/2^40 is still enough for him to be the strongest of that time while being able to casually one shot everyone. It is consistent with everything up to that point.

Saitama growing this much after VGS is suitable as well since we do know he grows strong enough to one shot himself.

Both fights are Saitama vs Saitama in this situation.

The graph itself is already accepted as multiplier, same for the martial art. And one shot statements in both situation. We know Garou's stats are the same as Saitama, stated by him and shown in the graph, also consistent with his feats against Saitama and already accepted in his profile as well.

In the end, only Saitama after Monster HQ and later would get higher stats based on it (which is around 2^7 to 2^14 if irrc).

There is no inconsistency, the statements are reliable (and already accepted). Only applies to Saitama in the verse. No issue feat wise as well (one shots himself).
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Also Dragon Ball SSG multiplier was based on very similar reasoning. It was accepted since being superior to a hypothetical Vegito SSJ3 and got a multiplier based on it. (If i understand it correctly :d)

The multipliers are already there and accepted in the verse. Saitama is capable of one shotting VGS Saitama, Stated to grown that much in a day. While Saitama against Garou(basically Saitama) was stated to not on a level enough to one shot at that point. One is stated to grow enough to one shot while the other didn't, where Saitama's enemies are both Saitama(VGS and Garou)
 
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Pretty sure it can if that part is agreed on. You just have to continue the CRT for the remainder instead of closing the thread. (Though you may end up having to reverse the changes if new staff come in and disagree with it I guess)
 
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I don't think something can be added without the crt itself ending.
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Your CRT after Mod disagreements has two parts now:
  • More AD evidence/examples
  • An explicit AD multiplier for Saitama
The former has been accepted. The latter is currently 0-2-2 and therefore cant be applied.

If you want you can add the AD stuff but not the multiplier stuff. Alternatively you can add the AD stuff and make the multiplier its own thread, but that might solve the user interaction issue.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
Your CRT after Mod disagreements has two parts now:
  • More AD evidence/examples
  • An explicit AD multiplier for Saitama
The former has been accepted. The latter is currently 0-2-2 and therefore cant be applied.

If you want you can add the AD stuff but not the multiplier stuff. Alternatively you can add the AD stuff and make the multiplier its own thread, but that might solve the user interaction issue.
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Should i just create another thread for the multiplier then?I thought i couldn't since this thread included both AD and Multiplier?
 
MrTayman616 said:
Should i just create another thread for the multiplier then?I thought i couldn't since this thread included both AD and Multiplier?
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Your thread was about AD and adding a multiplier to the AD. The latter is borderline rejected while the former is accepted.
 
Oh, this can be closed since i'll be making a seperate thread i guess? I'll apply the AD evidence/example
 
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