One Piece: Planet Size Revision (HD Addition)

[KingTempest]

Keep it short. This calc and this calc basically is now overwritten by this calc.

It's just a HD version. Relatively same pixelscaling but the alabasta river size is now more focused since we have more pixels to actually look at the river instead of arbitrarily upscaling the pixel measurement to 2 px for the big calc.

This calc is now affected. Other calcs are too like this but it's not really used in scaling in the slightest.
This thread is just making the switch official. Value changes will be handled in the future.

 

[SlendVeny]

Makes sense to me.

 

[That_moron2]

Because I'm biggering (yes, biggering)
I'm figgering on biggering
And biggering is triggering more biggering

 

[Dalesean027]

sure this is fine, the calc is already accepted

 

[Kachon123]

 

[Antvasima]

@Executor_N0 @Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan @Therefir @Ugarik @TheRustyOne @Migue79 @Psychomaster35 @Aguywhodoesthings @DemiiPowa @Flashlight237 @SeijiSetto @SunDaGamer

Would any of you be willing to evaluate this please?

 

[Psychomaster35]

Looks fine to me as well

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you for helping out to both you and Dalesean.

 

[TheRustyOne]

This seems fine to me as well.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Keep it short. This calc and this calc basically is now overwritten by this calc.

It's just a HD version. Relatively same pixelscaling but the alabasta river size is now more focused since we have more pixels to actually look at the river instead of arbitrarily upscaling the pixel measurement to 2 px for the big calc.

This calc is now affected. Other calcs are too like this but it's not really used in scaling in the slightest.
This thread is just making the switch official. Value changes will be handled in the future.

Those aren't fully HD, they are distorted and a little upscaled (Especially the alabasta one)

here are HD scans

Tho it won't really change much on the alabasta size but I think it would affect the planet and Grand Line scan

 

[KingTempest]

Those aren't fully HD, they are distorted and a little upscaled (Especially the alabasta one)

here are HD scans

Tho it won't really change much on the alabasta size but I think it would affect the planet and Grand Line scan

Where did you even get these from?

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Where did you even get these from?

Uhh... No pirates would reveal secrets out in the open

They from viz tho, I can give you more where that came from if you want

 

[KingTempest]

Uhh... No pirates would reveal secrets out in the open

They from viz tho, I can give you more where that came from if you want

Discord pls

 

[Migue79]

Checks out.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you to everybody who are helping out here.

 

[Billybobjoe321]

A few things wrong with the calc. First, you measure the wrong part of the river. You measure a thinner part of the river than the part vivi stated was 50km.

You measured around the red line, while you should’ve measured around the green line, which is 4px instead of 2.

The second part of the calc uses a non-canon photo to measure the moon. That photo of the planet has the currents on reverse mountain visible from space. For a reminder, this is how wide those currents are.
Multiple angles.
That photo would make blue planet less than a kilometer in size.

I also rescaled some parts of the calc myself, with most measurements in your calc being accurate and consistent with the ones I got. I got a measurement of 316px for alabasta in he first pic, a measurement of 35px for alabasta in the second pic, however I got a measurement of 711px for the width of the grandline, instead of your 754.

Also a question about the calc, how do we know that the fully zoomed out panel only contains the grandline, and not some of the calm belt too?

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

You measure a thinner part of the river than the part vivi stated was 50km.

It's still 2, max 3px in that range

The second part of the calc uses a non-canon photo to measure the moon. That photo of the planet has the currents on reverse mountain visible from space. For a reminder, this is how wide those currents are.
Multiple angles.

Those scans for the width of the currents of reverse mountain are also a little disingenuous to use for comparison, we can't even see the full width of it and Oda clearly wasn't showcasing the sizes of it

That is what many accepted and was the overall best option to use for measuring the moon and the planet's distance specifically, instead of using the model if I remember correctly, so it's basically better than nothing

Also a question about the calc, how do we know that the fully zoomed out panel only contains the grandline, and not some of the calm belt too?

Because we see no island near by, making it a big lowball for the width of the grandline

 

[Billybobjoe321]

It's still 2, max 3px in that range

A one pixel difference changes a lot when you are measuring something that small

Those scans for the width of the currents of reverse mountain are also a little disingenuous to use for comparison, we can't even see the full width of it and Oda clearly wasn't showcasing the sizes of it

I don’t see how it’s disingenuous? We see multiple views of the currents and none of them are anywhere close to as big as that planet showcases them as. There are multiple panels where we can see the full width of the currents.

Because we see no island near by, making it a big lowball for the width of the grandline

In the zoomed out panel, each pixel is already equivalent to 150km. There are multiple islands in the grandline that would be smaller than a pixel if shown in that panel.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

A one pixel difference changes a lot when you are measuring something that small

if we are using the white (specifically only the water) it's 2px in that area

I don’t see how it’s disingenuous? We see multiple views of the currents and none of them are anywhere close to as big as that planet showcases them as. There are multiple panels where we can see the full width of the currents.

And all of them don't actually show the full size of everything with also no intention of Oda trying to show it's size

In the zoomed out panel, each pixel is already equivalent to 150km. There are many islands in the grandline that would be smaller than a pixel if shown in that panel.

We also see no island near by when the anime zooms in, there's clearly no island in sight around alabasta in that perspective

 

[Billybobjoe321]

if we are using the white (specifically only the water) it's 2px in that area

I counted 3px across the river

And all of them don't actually show the full size of everything with also no intention of Oda trying to show it's size

Yeah, all of them don’t show the full size of EVERYTHING, but we get multiple shots where we can see the entire width of the current and both sides.

We also see no island near by when the anime zooms in, there's clearly no island in sight around alabasta in that perspective

The anime’s alabasta can also be scaled completely different, as well as the sizing of the shot. The anime does also not rule out the possibility of other islands. For example, in This shot, there could be who knows how many islands that are below 150km. And by the time it reaches This shot, those previous islands could be out of the shot, and there could be who knows how many islands that are smaller than 75km. The anime version of the shot also starts way more zoomed in than the manga version.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

The anime’s alabasta can also be scaled completely different, as well as the sizing of the shot. The anime does also not rule out the possibility of other islands. For example, in This shot, there could be who knows how many islands that are below 150km. And by the time it reaches This shot, those previous islands could be out of the shot, and there could be who knows how many islands that are smaller than 75km. The anime version of the shot also starts way more zoomed in than the manga version.

This is insane nitpicking at this point, we don't even see a pixel of land in the anime still while also zooming in. If there were any other small islands around, oda would've highlighted them yet he never did...

Oda has showcased many islands relative to alabasta, there's no reason he wouldn't have shown any other island if they were near by

I counted 3px across the river

You then included one the edges of the river which isn't part of the water area

Yeah, all of them don’t show the full size of EVERYTHING, but we get multiple shots where we can see the entire width of the current and both sides.

It doesn't matter still, I already said why we are using that panel...

That is what many accepted and was the overall best option to use for measuring the moon and the planet's distance specifically, instead of using the model if I remember correctly, so it's basically better than nothing

 

[Billybobjoe321]

we don't even see a pixel of land in the anime still while also zooming in.

Yeah, multiple islands in one piece would take up less than a single pixel if shown there

If there were any other small islands around, oda would've highlighted them yet he never did

You don’t know what Oda would’ve done.

It doesn't matter still, I already said why we are using that panel...

Because it showcases the width of the current.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Because it showcases the width of the current.

What?

You don’t know what Oda would’ve done.

I do based on what he's done in the past and future

You can literally see the scan I gave you as well, there are many islands that are relative to the biggest ones

Yeah, multiple islands in one piece would take up less than a single pixel if shown there

Not when there are many islands and landmarks with relative or even much bigger size than alabasta and especially not when it starts to zoom in on the island

We can literally also see long, big waves around the island as well in the panel, supporting that it isn't showcasing the calm belt

 

[Billybobjoe321]

What?

My bad, i misread your reply. But just because something is better than nothing, does not mean you can disregard inconsistencies to use it. That image of the planet was not even drawn by Oda

there are many islands that are relative to the biggest ones

That map of the grand line is not accurate. Which one of those islands would be long ring long land for example? Drum island is also much smaller than alabasta.

Not when there are many islands and landmarks with relative or even much bigger size than alabasta

I cannot think of another island in the grand line that is relative or as big as alabasta

We can literally also see long, big waves around the island as well in the panel, supporting that it isn't showcasing the calm belt

The weird thing is, we actually see waves multiple times in the calm belt.
The upper portion of the panel also contains no waves at all. Correct me if I’m wrong but, we don’t actually know which path the straw hats took and which path alabasta is on. Alabasta could also be on one of the paths closest to the calm belt. I just feel like the calc assumes a little too much, so excuse me being a little nitpicky. Isn’t there a better way to scale the planet, like using curvature?

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

My bad, i misread your reply. But just because something is better than nothing, does not mean you can disregard inconsistencies to use it. That image of the planet was not even drawn by Oda

It was definitely approved by him tho

That map of the grand line is not accurate. Which one of those islands would be long ring long land for example? Drum island is also much smaller than alabasta.

It showcases how most island are similar especially via each route, And the biggest islands are relative

I cannot think of another island in the grand line that is relative or as big as alabasta

Because we never got discovered to them? Because we are only following the strawhats? Like what?

The weird thing is, we actually see waves multiple times in the calm belt.
The upper portion of the panel also contains no waves at all. Correct me if I’m wrong but, we don’t actually know which path the straw hats took and which path alabasta is on. Alabasta could also be on one of the paths closest to the calm belt. I just feel like the calc assumes a little too much, so excuse me being a little nitpicky. Isn’t there a better way to scale the planet, like using curvature?

those are small waves created by the sea kings

Those waves aren't any were near the size of the waves shown in the alabasta panel, so it's not comparable at all

The upper portion of the panel also contains no waves at all

They still do top right so that isn't even true

Alabasta could also be on one of the paths closest to the calm belt.

Oda shows the island of alabasta to be in the middle, so no

I just feel like the calc assumes a little too much, so excuse me being a little nitpicky. Isn’t there a better way to scale the planet, like using curvature?

It doesn't assume a little too much at all... It's literally simple pixel scaling steps that are the best current option to use.

 

[Billybobjoe321]

It was definitely approved by him tho

Proof? There are also things that have not been accepted as canon despite Oda approving them, for example 3D2Y.

It showcases how most island are similar especially via each route, And the biggest islands are relative

What? I am confused by what you mean. The map is obviously not accurately sized.

Because we never got discovered to them? Because we are only following the strawhats? Like what?

You stated that there were many islands and landmarks bigger or relative to alabasta. You didn’t say that there COULD be islands and landmarks bigger or relative to alabasta, you said there ARE. You made the claim that there were islands and landmarks bigger or relative to one piece so you would have to provide proof for that claim.

those are small waves created by the sea kings

Multiple of my pictures did not include sea kings. There are more examples of waves being in the calm belt too.

Those waves aren't any were near the size of the waves shown in the alabasta panel, so it's not comparable at all

That does not completely rule out it being the calm belt. The grand line has also never shown waves the size of the one in the alabasta panel, but that does not automatically rule it out.

They still do top right so that isn't even true

Where do you see waves on the upper portion of the panel?

Oda shows the island of alabasta to be in the middle, so no

Many things wrong with this. First, source? Second, even if I were to agree with you and use this scan, the zoomed out panel of alabasta would have to contain the calm belt considering how zoomed out it was. Third, there are multiple islands missing from the grandline in that scan.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Proof?

They are published in the same weekly Shonen jump and is a project made by Oda personally

What? I am confused by what you mean. The map is obviously not accurately sized.

First you have no actual proof of that, they still show that the biggest islands are relative and side by side

You stated that there were many islands and landmarks bigger or relative to alabasta. You didn’t say that there COULD be islands and landmarks bigger or relative to alabasta, you said there ARE. You made the claim that there were islands and landmarks bigger or relative to one piece so you would have to provide proof for that claim.

I already did, you've been ignoring them... This is showcased also here

Multiple of my pictures did not include sea kings. There are more examples of waves being in the calm belt too.

None that are kilometers in length. Not comparable

That does not completely rule out it being the calm belt.

It definitely does, the calm belt has no waves at all which is confirmed and has only very small waves created from movement of characters... Confirming the alabasta panel isn't showcasing the calm belt which is still

Where do you see waves on the upper portion of the panel?

Many things wrong with this. First, source?

Here

Second, even if I were to agree with you and use this scan, the zoomed out panel of alabasta would have to contain the calm belt considering how zoomed out it was.

Not true.

Third, alabasta was the fourth island that the strawhats traveled to.

Yep which is literally showcased as the 4th island there... The map is specifically for the islands and places they've been introduced to


it shows the location of where punk hazard would be on the other side, confirming that's there actual locations on the grand line

ルフィ達のいるPH島はココのほぼ真ウラに!!
PH Island, where Luffy and his friends are, is almost exactly the opposite of this one!!

Third, there are multiple islands missing from the grandline in that scan.

What I said above

I've basically addressed everything. At this point it's just a waste of time to try and argue and will just continue on going forever with you trying to nitpick without actually bringing any better solution or option. This is a calc group thread, I'm not going to comment anymore unless I actually have to

 

[Billybobjoe321]

They are published in the same weekly Shonen jump and is a project made by Oda personally

Like I’ve said, there are things that are approved by oda yet are not considered canon, boichi’s drawing of blue planet also puts it less than the size of alabasta considering the reverse mountain currents. Can you also translate that photo?

First you have no actual proof of that, they still show that the biggest islands are relative and side by side

Long ring long land would not fit the shape of any island in that photo. drum island should also be hundreds of times of times smaller than alabasta. Which island would be skypiea too? Skypiea has an accepted calc of 6km, which would also make it insanely smaller than alabasta.

I already did, you've been ignoring them... This is showcased also here

This is also not an accurate map. This is just a rough drawing. If this map was size accurate then why not use this for the calc? It also contradicts the other planet boichi drew, as well as contradicting the shakky panel which you also claim is size accurate, as well as the other map you gave. How can all 4 of these maps be accurate when they all contradict each other wildly?

None that are kilometers in length. Not comparable

Okay?

It definitely does, the calm belt has no waves at all which is confirmed and has only very small waves created from movement of characters... Confirming the alabasta panel isn't showcasing the calm belt which is still

I don’t recall the calm belt being confirmed to have no waves at all. I already showed you examples of bigger waves in the calm belt not created from movement of characters.

Just a few dots? I could also point out that even further above that we see no waves.

Not true.

What do you mean not true? It is blatantly apparent just looking at the two photos. The grand line in that photo could not be more than 7 alabastas wide, however the fully zoomed out panel is over 20 alabastas wide.

What I said above

According to you the shakky panel has accurate sizing, which shows over 50 islands just in paradise all visible next to each other, yet that photo only has 15 islands max in paradise.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

They are published in the same weekly Shonen jump and is a project made by Oda personally

Like I’ve said, there are things that are approved by oda yet are not considered canon,

I think the previous image didn’t work

 

[KingTempest]

Updated the calc due to Monkey's HD scans

 

[KingTempest]

Also both of you, stop talking. Yall are filling up the thread full of things that don't matter.

 

[That_moron2]

Updated the calc due to Monkey's HD scans

Are you going to update Whitebeard's calc and the mother flame?

 

[KingTempest]

Are you going to update Whitebeard's calc and the mother flame?

Whitebeard's soon, Mother Flame when I feel like it

 

[KingTempest]

4 CGMs already gave the go ahead so I guess I can close this

 

[That_moron2]

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[KingTempest]

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