One Piece new chapter spoilers thread

[MonkeyOfLife]

Oda is just him I guess

 

[SlendVeny]

Oda really randomly created a father for Marco and named him Polo.

1. Called it a month ago
2. Naming two characters after the first and last name of the same guy has been a thing for a while, he did it with Edward Teach.

 

[Yoh_Asakura8]

Do we not create new spoiler threads after ever chapter anymore?

 

[Antvasima]

Oda really randomly created a father for Marco and named him Polo.

I thought that it was funny at least.

 

[Antvasima]

Do we not create new spoiler threads after ever chapter anymore?

No, it was too impractical. We discuss all of the spoilers here instead.

 

[Hasty12345]

Any ideas how we're going to index this seemingly new haki ability Xebec has showed?

I've read people saying Xebec is immune to attacks from people with weaker acoc than his as he can defend with it?

 

[RoronoaxRobin]

I thought that it was funny at least.

I did think it was funny in a "this is so like Oda" way lol.

 

[Damage3245]

Probably just best to wait until the chapter is out.

 

[RoronoaxRobin]

After this God Valley flashback and the way Shakky and Gloriosa were portrayed, I respect Hancock's recent performance against the Blackbeard Pirates and the Marines so much more and her overall portrayal in the story. Yes, she still ultimately needed to be rescued by Ray, but at least she forced BB into a stalemate and made him admit that she could kill him if he wasn't restraining her, took out the commanders he brought with him, and defeated Koby and the Marines that invaded her island.

 

[Heoj]

After this God Valley flashback and the way Shakky and Gloriosa were portrayed, I respect Hancock's recent performance against the Blackbeard Pirates and the Marines so much more and her overall portrayal in the story. Yes, she still ultimately needed to be rescued by Ray, but at least she forced BB into a stalemate and made him admit that she could kill him if he wasn't restraining her, took out the commanders he brought with him, and defeated Koby and the Marines that invaded her island.

ngl, i value how positive ur able to see things, but man if this is the end of god valley, then imo gloriosa and shakky were depressingly disappointing, nothing but damsels, crying.

it does make me value hancock more but still man

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

If everything is translated correctly here this would basically mean you need strong/stronger con haki (or haki in general) than the one who has “abilities”, so for example someone who uses arm haki and even con haki, it will be extra difficult to “negate”/Overpower their abilities

So you would first need to fully overpower all their haki with your own, which is something we’ve basically already known, con haki seems to be more an attack/nullification/killing of devil fruit abilities while arm haki seems more like a block/defense and with more difficult application of arm haki, it’s overpowering (kinda like your pushing away the abilities with your haki)

with better wording I believe that’s the way it makes the most sense

 

[RoyGundam]

If everything is translated correctly here this would basically mean you need strong/stronger con haki (or haki in general) than the one who has “abilities”, so for example someone who uses arm haki and even con haki, it will be extra difficult to “negate”/Overpower their abilities

So you would first need to fully overpower all their haki with your own, which is something we’ve basically already known, con haki seems to be more an attack/nullification/killing of devil fruit abilities while arm haki seems more like a block/defense and with more difficult application of arm haki, it’s overpowering (kinda like your pushing away the abilities with your haki)

with better wording I believe that’s the way it makes the most sense

This shit is so funny though... Oda invented Haki as an equalizer against "invincible" Logia abilities, and now he's hyped haki so much that he's invented literal "invincible" haki that only some people can use (According to Rayleigh, one cannot train to unlock Conqueror Haki, you either can use it or you can't) ... Ending up in the same place

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

the deep respect between Roger, Garp and Xebec is especially with how it’s been portrayed in this incident

This shit is so funny though... Oda invented Haki as an equalizer against "invincible" Logia abilities, and now he's hyped haki so much that he's invented literal "invincible" haki that only some people can use (According to Rayleigh, one cannot train to use Conqueror Haki, you either can use it or you can't) ... Ending up in the same place

Well “train” and “develop” is different, con haki gets stronger the more will/spirit you have in general… like for example if I trained everyday for something, your will/spirit will also get stronger but you aren’t directly training it

Con haki tho, being something your born with isn’t really that bad since the one your facing also was born with such a spirit, but yee it would just make it a superior power/being difference whenever it comes to that , so skill issue basically but I do believe that it isn’t as strict as it says, something your born with just means (your overall potential in spirit) I can’t explain currently, don’t have time but Yee you need to understand “spirit” first with con haki, arm haki is more using will for strengthening

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

the deep respect between Roger, Garp and Xebec is especially with how it’s been portrayed in this incident

Well “train” and “develop” is different, con haki gets stronger the more will/spirit you have in general… like for example if I trained everyday for something, your will/spirit will also get stronger but you aren’t directly training it

Con haki tho, being something your born with isn’t really that bad since the one your facing also was born with such a spirit, but yee it would just make it a superior power/being difference whenever it comes to that , so skill issue basically but I do believe that it isn’t as strict as it says, something your born with just means (your overall potential in spirit) I can’t explain currently, don’t have time but Yee you need to understand “spirit” first with con haki, arm haki is more using will for strengthening

Basically what I mean is:

Con haki can straight up kill/nullify "abilities"

With Shanks even knowing how to kill obs haki/presence as well

Arm haki will block or push away "abilities"

With even intense haki usage, it will nullify the "effects" of the abilities by breaking through (basically removing it out of your body)

Now arm haki can work/overpower against con haki, it's just that con haki usage is way more powerful and direct than arm haki

Wrapped in Conqueror's Haki
Like Armament Haki, one can also wrap themselves in Conqueror's Haki. Wrapping it around fists or weapons allows attacks without physical contact. The power of the Conqueror's Haki exceeds beyond comparison to that of Armament Haki alone.

So someone like Garps armament haki should be able to overpower Kid's lvl of con haki... Meaning con haki isn't this "invincible guard" but only that it's application is just way more direct and potent

Since Xebec's Haki is overall similar to them, them using only armament haki won't definitely be enough as he'll just slowly regen and come back... Since he's also using con haki to guard against their haki, they as well would need to use that far stronger application to effect him but they also need it to be stronger to the point that it will overpower his con haki instead of just canceling each other

Didn't go in depth about spirit and con haki but I don't think its fully need

 

[Hasty12345]

So Con Haki based invulnerability?

 

[Mr.Cinos15]

Daaaang, so Infinitum Explosion is like Garps Hawk Gatling as his fists are covered in flames as well as haki.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

So Con Haki based invulnerability?

Con haki based forcefield... Where does invulnerability come from?

They did affect/damage Xebec but he just regenerated... That's where the statement of "my attacks aren't do anything" comes from, the immortality not con haki

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Daaaang, so Infinitum Explosion is like Garps Hawk Gatling as his fists are covered in flames as well as haki.

its like red hawk spam (hawk gatling doesn't use fire) without needing to use rubber and charge up for acceleration... Which is insane and cool

 

[Hasty12345]

Con haki based forcefield... Where does invulnerability come from?

Haven't read the full chapter yet

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Haven't read the full chapter yet

mmm, reading Twitter instead then

 

[Hasty12345]

mmm, reading Twitter instead then

Just asking questions based on the rumours flying around, people have a habit of cropping panels and ignoring all context.

 

[Hasty12345]

I found the chapter and read it, I think I get what you're saying now, correct me if I'm wrong. It's worded horrifically, but my understanding is Garp is essentially saying since Xebec is a con haki user, his abilities won't be nullified or bypassed unless you can overcome his con haki, Roger and Garp in some capacity have comparable haki to demon xebec so they're unable to bypass it without combining their haki and surpassing his. So it's almost like the dragon ball hax meme, hax don't work on those stronger than you.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

It's worded horrifically

but my understanding is Garp is essentially saying since Xebec is a con haki user, his abilities won't be nullified or bypassed unless you can overcome his con haki, Roger and Garp in some capacity have comparable haki to demon xebec so they're unable to bypass it without combining their haki and surpassing his.

Yep basically

I mean we already knew this with the whole arm haki stuff (Law vs vergo, Doffy vs Gear 4th, Luffy vs katakuri) but the difference being how con haki works, it's different to what arm haki does to abilities (resisting/blocking, moving it away, breaking through the effects and such) while con haki seems to straight up "kill" and nullify the abilities (Enabling you to basically make superhuman people vulnerable to any types of attacks, not just only Arm Haki having to break through the effects)

For example here if Zoro used con haki, her "ability" would've been turned off/killed but instead it was still active

After researching quite a bit... wtf, there are soo many mistranslation with official, not so official, fan translations and quick translations it's insane... In chapter 597 with Rayleigh talking about devil fruit and armament Haki... He basically says how instead of exploiting the weaknesses of devil fruit abilities, armament Haki is the only countermeasure (Meaning: countermeasure; an action taken to counteract a danger or threat.) against them. And then the top left here is basically accurate enough, and this is basically meant to be "official" even tho it doesn't even actually say most those things

Like there's no way in every translation that's accessible, there is such big mistranslations (Seems like Stephen Paul also didn't translate in these volumes also, which is kinda annoying and disappointing)

But yee, I have seen some people start retranslating it more accurately + make higher quality chapters but it's only up to alabasta basically... Kinda insane how the number 1 manga for over decades has still not been officially fixed or retranslated yet

 

[SlendVeny]

ngl, i value how positive ur able to see things, but man if this is the end of god valley, then imo gloriosa and shakky were depressingly disappointing, nothing but damsels, crying.

it does make me value hancock more but still man

Well, we did see a handcuffed Shakky piece up a room full of marines and hurt Sommers with a kick

 

[Kachon123]

Well, we did see a handcuffed Shakky piece up a room full of marines and hurt Sommers with a kick

I mean yeah, she hit him in the face with a spinning back kick. A mouthful of heel would do that to you. It's not like she dealt any relevant damage.

 

[SlendVeny]

I mean yeah, she hit him in the face with a spinning back kick. A mouthful of heel would do that to you. It's not like she dealt any relevant damage.

If only, brother, if only... I need to see Shakky piece up some CDs or Marines or something

 

[DaMonkeMan]

ngl, i value how positive ur able to see things, but man if this is the end of god valley, then imo gloriosa and shakky were depressingly disappointing, nothing but damsels, crying.

it does make me value hancock more but still man

oda's sucked at writing female characters well for over a decade now

 

[RoyGundam]

Dragon showing up in short flashes and absolutely stealing the scene with his actions is a high point for this flashback IMO

Also, the previous user of Perona's fruit was in God Valley, which points towards the God Valley = Thriller Bark theory being canon, but that also means that this is still far from over

 

[Mr.Cinos15]

I gotta say, I've actually been really liking the choreography of Elbaph arc fights, especially Gaban vs Sommers and Garp and Roger vs Rocks, I think they're pretty cool.

 

[SlendVeny]

Dragon showing up in short flashes and absolutely stealing the scene with his actions is a high point for this flashback IMO

Also, the previous user of Perona's fruit was in God Valley, which points towards the God Valley = Thriller Bark theory being canon, but that also means that this is still far from over

Bro doesn't know Gil Bastar's name

 

[RoyGundam]

Bro doesn't know Gil Bastar's name

I realised afterwards that it was Gil Bastar

 

[BeTheWay1rst]

How can anyone still wank god valley characters above Yonko level after the last chapter ?
Feat whise even Marine Ford Mihawk slams, and Haki whise their best feat is just base Yonko level of greeting

 

[SlendVeny]

How can anyone still wank god valley characters above Yonko level after the last chapter ?
Feat whise even Marine Ford Mihawk slams, and Haki whise their best feat is just base Yonko level of greeting

Bro saw a Roger-tier fighter get turned into a demon and double in size and strength, saw two people defeat that, and said "Any Yonkou could do that"

 

[BeTheWay1rst]

Bro saw a Roger-tier

Featless fodder at that time, you need to combine the power of them 3 to splite the sky, a feat that 2 Yonko can easily pull in base even if one of them is on death's door

 

[Heoj]

Featless fodder at that time, you need to combine the power of them 3 to splite the sky, a feat that 2 Yonko can easily pull in base even if one of them is on death's door

ngl, i think rocks split the sky on his own, garp punched him, roger and rocks clash, then rocks overpowers both while unleashing conquerors and then the sky splits.
the sky after roger and garp hit the mountains screaming "uwaah" and "gyaah"

 

[SlendVeny]

Featless fodder at that time, you need to combine the power of them 3 to splite the sky, a feat that 2 Yonko can easily pull in base even if one of them is on death's door

Ok pal.

 

[BeTheWay1rst]

Ok pal.

Roger that

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

ngl, i think rocks split the sky on his own

if I remember correctly, that's true

 

[Hasty12345]

Featless fodder at that time, you need to combine the power of them 3 to splite the sky, a feat that 2 Yonko can easily pull in base even if one of them is on death's door

I'm no.1 Old Gen hater but cmon bruh, this is such a disingenuous reading of the events, it's very clear demon rocks did a solo sky split.

 

[Bananossauro]

ngl, i think rocks split the sky on his own, garp punched him, roger and rocks clash, then rocks overpowers both while unleashing conquerors and then the sky splits.
the sky after roger and garp hit the mountains screaming "uwaah" and "gyaah"

And they needed the 2 of them to win. 2 yonko lvl characters can do that. Unless we 100%agree that Linlin and WB are in their primes there (I dont think they are but i can maybe see it) that is a thing that Kaido and Big Mom from wano should be able to acomplish.