Hasty12345
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Where's the panel that says "Mihawk can't be above Xebec", I must have missed it.
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One Piece General Discussion: Elbaph
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DaMonkeMan
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Where's the panel that says Don Krieg can't be above Machvise?
At some point you can just assume these things lol
At some point you can just assume these things lol
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Shanks himself is very likely above Roger. Mihawk being stronger than Shanks puts him over Roger as well.
Hasty12345
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Not even remotely the same.
DaMonkeMan
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How though??
What does Mihawk have above Xebec*? Please don't mention Yoru unless you think Aramaki > Primebeard because one has a black blade and the other doesn't
Hasty12345
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Prove Aramaki forged his black blade
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Portrayal.
He has very strong Haki on par with if not above Roger due to his being the benchmark that Dorry and Brogy used to compare to Joyboy even though they've met Roger, Rayleigh and Gaban in the past.
At 15 years of age he replicated an advanced conqueror's attack from Roger while Gaban and Rayleigh were incapable of doing the same.
He's constantly hyped up as a genius and a prodigy and Roger's successor so it would make no sense if a current day Shanks who is in his prime was not bare minimum Roger level.
DaMonkeMan
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I'll give you that. My question still stands though.
Wait when did Dorry and Brogy meet the Roger Pirates?
Also he was meant to be Roger's successor before he gave that role up to Luffy. I think he had the potential to surpass Roger easily, but the second he gave up on eating the fruit and lost his arm, he was permanently below Roger (although their fight would still be an extreme diff)
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DaMonkeMan
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I feel like he has an ulterior motive there, there has to be a reason he specifically waited for the older Emperors to all die/go MIA to start gunning for the OP.
Hasty12345
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Maybe he was waiting for Joyboy, not the yonko dying.
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Ngl Rocks is definitely stronger than anyone we’ve actively seen in the series, and it’s not that close. Dude killed an admiral like, mid-diff at most considering he wasn’t injured enough to inhibit his Imu rage baiting shenanigans.
Only one I think could pull off a similar thing would maybe be like, Kaido, but that’s mostly because of how ******* bulky he is; it’d undoubtedly take longer and he’d fight harder.
He also seems like a cool character and so I am biased
Only one I think could pull off a similar thing would maybe be like, Kaido, but that’s mostly because of how ******* bulky he is; it’d undoubtedly take longer and he’d fight harder.
He also seems like a cool character and so I am biased
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I really find unlikely for either to them are superior than Xebec or Roger.
Similar or even equal? Sure but even that's debatable.
Straight up superior? Just no.
Hasty12345
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Becoming PK requires more than just strength, it's also true becoming PK in the great pirate era is harder.
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If we ignore "potential" and EoS, I think Kaido, Big Mom and Sengoku are above Garp and Teach is below that RN. Don't think we've seen enough of xebec to put him that high but he cant be lower than thatPotential Top 5 of the verse (in their prime)?
1) Joyboy
2) Imu
3) Rocks D. Xebec
4) Gol D. Roger
5) Monkey D. Garp
Mihawk solos tho
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That would be mine... Xebec was Roger's strongest adversary, but Xebec was defeated and then Wb become stronger, becoming Rogers only main rival, the only one being capable of going toe to toe with RogerThis list from Kaido is basically a reference and a further evidence of that being the case, from left to right
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For this specific piece of evidence, wouldn’t it make more sense for it to be right to left, since this is Japanese literature, thus signifying Xebec as the strongest?This list from Kaido is basically a reference and a further evidence of that being the case, from left to right
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that would make oden stronger than wb and Roger tho
The "image" isn't meant to be taken as Japanese literature, it's all in the middle inside a panel... It's more like a mini color spread
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uhh what? If we are using jp literature it goes... Wb... Roger... Oden... Shanks and Xebec
One way it could go is... Right to left... From weakest to strongest and then it goes up (makes sense with the whole, how high will your ceiling go)
Oden... Shanks... Xebec... Wb.... Roger
DaMonkeMan
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I wish that panel never existed. I really do. It ruined the powerscaling in this community man
This list from Kaido is basically a reference and a further evidence of that being the case, from left to right
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quickly
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Shanks would be the weakest if you looked at that in order
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yee... I think bro just on a trolling streak or something
In what way/order would he be the weakest
Xebec's head is under Shanks head, if that's what you are trying to go with
In what way/order would he be the weakest
Xebec's head is under Shanks head, if that's what you are trying to go with
DaMonkeMan
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The list isn't even meant to be about the strongest pirates or characters in general. Strength is obviously a factor given how much of a powerscaling geek Kaido is, but respect and whether or not he actually met certain people plays a big role in this too.
For example, Kaido likely never met Mihawk, so he could never end up in Kaido's top 5. Yet Mihawk is still obviously above Shanks given that we're told this multiple times by trustworthy sources.
I also seriously doubt Big Mom and Shiki are below Oden, yet they're not on the list either. Likely because Kaido never had a serious death match with them like he did with Oden so he didn't respect them as much.
For example, Kaido likely never met Mihawk, so he could never end up in Kaido's top 5. Yet Mihawk is still obviously above Shanks given that we're told this multiple times by trustworthy sources.
I also seriously doubt Big Mom and Shiki are below Oden, yet they're not on the list either. Likely because Kaido never had a serious death match with them like he did with Oden so he didn't respect them as much.
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Powerscaling between them listed exists
Kaido already shared how Roger was the number 1 because of his haki
Then the list would need to follow based on that and the statement about luffy's ceiling, the way to read it one by one from weakest to strongest, the most logical way would be Oden, Shanks, Xebec... (Then goes up to the right) WB, Roger
Going to assume it would mean Oden's attack power > Big Mom or Shiki
Which legit does make sense, being capable of giving him a permanent huge scar
No.
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DaMonkeMan
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How is Xebec below Roger and Whitebeard when he was said to be Roger's strongest adversary?
Then why have Mihawk be the WSS while Shanks is alive?
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How does that make him the strongest?
Wb wasn't Roger's adversary
It can also be taken as the toughest person he had to overcome... Like luffy vs doffy < luffy vs Lucci... Lucci was a way stronger adversary but wasn't stronger than doffy
Because his whole thing is about the way of the sword... That is why he has the title, being given to him by others in the verse, which is the goal of swordsmasters...
If you defeat Mihawk the way King just did, you wouldn't become WSS even if swords are your main fighting style
Shanks's goal isn't about becoming WSS but to claim the One Piece, not once has he tried to claim that title like every other swordsmasters do
Shanks and Mihawk dueled in the past... Wasn't an actual fight but a competition over swords skills (Stated) further proving that to be the case
Mihawk has only been confirmed to have the better sword skills than shanks, having the title of WSS doesn't automatically make you stronger than everyone in the verse who uses a sword... That's just pure bias and headcanon
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DaMonkeMan
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Sure. But Garp and Sengoku were adversaries of Roger and equal to him as well. If Rocks is above them.. You can do the rest.How does that make him the strongest?
Wb wasn't Roger's adversary
It can also be taken as the toughest person he had to overcome... Like luffy vs doffy < luffy vs Lucci... Lucci was a way stronger adversary but wasn't stronger than doffy
Because his whole thing is about the way of the sword... That is why he has the title, being given to him by others in the verse, which is the goal of swordsmasters...
If you defeat Mihawk the way King just did, you wouldn't become WSS even if swords are your main fighting style
Shanks's goal isn't about becoming WSS but to claim the One Piece, not once has he tried to claim that title like every other swordsmasters do
Shanks and Mihawk dueled in the past... Wasn't an actual fight but a competition over swords skills (Stated) further proving that to be the case
Mihawk has only been confirmed to have the better sword skills than shanks, having the title of WSS doesn't automatically make you stronger than everyone in the verse who uses a sword... That's just pure bias and headcanon
Also do you have a panel of Shanks fighting without a sword?
Hasty12345
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The "fighting without a sword" argument is so dumb. Can you prove holding a sword makes you a swordsman?
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I mean sure but again that doesn't refute this point
Xebec was defeated... The rest could've became stronger
I don't need one with what I've already said but...
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DaMonkeMan
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"Can you prove only ever eating vegetables and fruit would make you a vegetarian?"
Hasty12345
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Not even remotely the same, and on a technicality it doesn't.
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I'm going to ask you a question: When have we seen Shanks fight with something other than a sword and Haki?
Hasty12345
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What does that matter, the premise is faulty, using a sword doesn't make you a swordsman.
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Oh, I'm sure the guy, who we have only ever seen use his sword or haki to fight, which are generally swordsman things to do, ISN'T a swordsman. If we only see the guy doing swordsman things, and copying moves from another person who does exclusively swordsman things, AND had a rivalry with a swordsman before he lost one of his arms, he's probably a ******* swordsman.
Hasty12345
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When was Roger stated a swordsman?
Ask Zoro what it means to be a swordsman, because fighting with a sword and using haki isn't sufficient.
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Here we go with the bs swordsman debate... 
You guys are lost fr
You guys are lost fr
Hasty12345
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It's not really a debate, Mihawk's vivre card doesn't even call Shanks a swordsman, it explicitly calls him a sword user.Here we go with the bs swordsman debate...
Just wait until Shanks' Sword turns into a big bird and Shanks starts using hakihameha's.
