One Piece General Discussion: Elbaph

[MonkeyOfLife]

I'd get it if Arlong used both hands in the slash or if Luffy did this by grabbing the edge of the blade, but this is just blocking a weapon from a character comparable to yourself.

luffy = sitting, holding the sword in place with a disadvantageous grip not struggling at all

Arlong = has a full grip, standing and he trying his hardest to move it (Arlong is shaking, Luffy is not)

ABSOLUTELY INSANE how you can look at that and say that.

Head canon.

It's shown, you're just ignoring it (Her head is the only thing going backwards in that scan as well until she gets thrown in the next panel)

She goes 'eek'.

(Girl screams or scream that gets muted upon impact)
きゃ!!! / きや!!! = Aah!!!, Kiya!!!, Kya!!! (Literally is き=ki や=ya!!!)

Your point about the floor being broken doesn't matter.

If you understood what I was saying, yes it would.

 

[ByAsura]

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Actually, my bad on this one. My tired ass brain and mandela mind registered the scene as Luffy having pierced the blade in order to catch it, but he does catch it on the edge at first like I said he didn't previously.

Her head is the only thing going backwards in that scan as well

You literally can't see her legs or the curvature of her back due to the cape, and there's no objects in the background to show Luffy's position relative to the ground. How are you making this assessment?

until she gets thrown in the next panel

She is already on the ground in that panel.

(Girl screams or scream that gets muted upon impact)
きゃ!!! / きや!!! = Aah!!!, Kiya!!!, Kya!!! (Literally is き=ki や=ya!!!)

Fair enough.

Assuming a scream exclusively indicates pain, I guess this is enough to say that they can hurt each other.

If you understood what I was saying, yes it would.

Then make the point actually clear. What does breaking the floor mean for Luffy's slam?

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

You literally can't see her legs or the curvature of her back due to the cape. How are you making this assessment?

her back hair exists as well, the cloud rotating thingy is only on the head (the next panel shows the big cloud rotating thingy which signifies her body) (Or you can tell via luffy's body which he does a full 180 and only her head is backwards otherwise her legs would be in the air in that panel, luffy's hands are still behind his own head, meaning he still hasn't actually flung her yet, which shows in the next panel luffy rotating forward and the cloud rotating from her body)

She is already on the ground in that panel.

You can see the "flinging" mark where luffy's hands are at, meaning he just threw her

Fair enough. But a scream doesn't exclusively indicate pain.

But this one just does, page one was also worried for her, even when he could sense/know luffy being completely fine from her attacks while the other fodders couldn't

Then make the point actually clear.

I really don't have/need to... I expect people to use their own common sense. I'm not here to win some sort of debate or something, I'm just giving you things that will possibly eventually come to a conclusion where you understand everything near perfectly or enough to where you would understand why it would matter

the point is... If you are resisting something and it still flings you backwards, it means You < the flinging... If you resist something and it still flings you backwards so hard and fast to where it destroys your surroundings (first feat < second feat) (Rough example of what I mean in terms of fighting, though retsu resists the flinging and flings the other person because he's much stronger)

Magic

 

[ByAsura]

her back hair exists as well

Same thing happens to her hair in the anime at this point.

the cloud rotating thingy is only on the head

What even is that cloud thing supposed to be? Maybe it's because I haven't re-read Whole Cake to Wano in a while, but I don't remember clouds being non-environmental/from heat sources, like they are in the very next panel.

You can see the "flinging" mark where luffy's hands are at, meaning he just threw her

You can see that Luffy's arms are stretched this scene and he's bent forward, meaning he flung her away from himself in this scene, as opposed to flipping her around his own body by her horns, which is what he does/is doing in the previous panel.

But this one just does, page one was also worried for her, even when he could sense/know luffy being completely fine from her attacks while the other fodders couldn't

And she's shown to be virtually unaffected right afterwards, which a normal Zoan transformation wouldn't be responsible for. Clearly whatever pain she did experience is negligible, and Page One is just concerned for her due to being her brother.

If you resist something and it still flings you backwards so hard and fast to where it destroys your surroundings (first feat < second feat)

Ok, so I'm going to ignore the all that and assume your point is that it means this happens pretty quickly? Sure, fair enough, still means nothing.

I'm not here to win some sort of debate or something, I'm just giving you things that will possibly eventually come to a conclusion where you understand everything near perfectly or enough to where you would understand why it would matter

The conclusion I've come to, through facts and logic that don't care about your feelings, is that they're relative and the profile needs some tweaking. I'll get onto that.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Same thing happens to her hair in the anime.

Man, the anime is soo weird, it looks like her body rotates twice in two different scenes... If we going of off anime then yee sure it doesn't really show her resisting but the manga goes from just the head with luffy vertical and then he rotates around 90 degrees forward to fling and rotate her full body

What even is that cloud thing supposed to be? Maybe it's because I haven't re-read Whole Cake to Wano in a while, but I don't remember clouds being non-environmental/from heat sources, like they are in the very next panel.

They are basically the aftereffects of their movements... Kinda like creating sonics booms but differently (Like when you run past smoke and it follows you, I realized it was signifying luffy rotations first, not her head, then next panel shows ulti rotating

You can see that Luffy's arms are stretched this scene and he's bent forward, meaning he flung her away from himself in this scene, as opposed to flipping her around his own body by her horns.

Hmm?

And she's shown to be virtually unaffected right afterwards, which a normal Zoan transformation wouldn't be responsible for. Clearly whatever pain she did experience is negligible, and Page One is just concerned for her due to being her brother.

the texts still implies her getting hurt... And not just by a bit

Ok, so I'm going to ignore the all the waffling, and assume your point is that it means this happens pretty quickly? Sure, fair enough, still means nothing.

No...

 

[ByAsura]

Man, the anime is soo weird, it looks like her body rotates twice in two different scenes... If we going of off anime then yee sure it doesn't really show her resisting but the manga goes from just the head with luffy vertical and then he rotates around 90 degrees forward to fling and rotate her full body

I guess I can kind of concede to your point that it's inconsistent.

I'm making a small revision thread on Ulti and some other characters, so I'll just keep it a bit more vague there.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

I mean the implications they show is Base Luffy > Base Ulti (But she is not to be underestimated) and then shows luffy overwhelming her in her hybrid while being more serious... Her in zoan with lifting strength against luffy being basically stuck in the air leaves him at a big disadvantageous position so that is way more vague how she actually measures up to luffy's lifting but I think at minimum she should still be under/relative to his lifting strength probably

 

[ByAsura]

She'll still be relative.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

I swear I always get into these annoying anime discussions when I'm tired af, my eyes bleeding and my head having snoop dogg smoking inside

 

[ByAsura]

Minor One Piece Changes

I'm planning 2 larger threads down the line. This one is aimed at changes that have little bearing on the current scaling, and the next will probably focus on circular scaling. Feel free to bring up any more small scaling changes that need to be made. Smoker (Pre-Time Skip) Has bested Luffy on...

vsbattles.com

 

[Antvasima]

A good summary of what the One Piece story is really about. This guy also seems to get it.

 

[SlendVeny]

A good summary of what the One Piece story is really about. This guy also seems to get it.

Seeing an odd amount of what seems to be "AI" "art" in there. I won't say the voiceover is "AI" too, but it is.

The rest of it seems alright, a bit of a typical summary, but the "Satanic Cabal" line is a little suspicious for some reason.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, going by my rather extensive experience, the real world is largely run by satanically evil tyrannical and casually genocidal absolutely elitistic psychopathic politicians and oligarchs, who enforce a system of absolute inequality, greed, environmental destruction, supremacism, social Darwinism, and Orwellian surveillance on this planet.

So, yes, I greatly appreciate that Oda has the sheer guts and moral fiber to challenge the status quo in the massively public manner that he does, to encourage fighting for freedom, solidarity, kindness, bravery, hope, life, joy, and friendship, rather than acting as an amoral, callous, and cynical apologist and enforcer for it like most other storytellers.

 

[Antvasima]

The rest of it seems alright, a bit of a typical summary, but the "Satanic Cabal" line is a little suspicious for some reason.

Still, you might be correct about this. The author of that video might be a brainwashed QAnon style far right stooge and conspiracy theorist, who believes in a secret cabal of progressive devil-worshipping child molesters who run this world from the shadows, rather than what I said above, which is done almost completely openly, as the elites believe that nobody can challenge them and their system of exploitation anyway.

 

[SlendVeny]

Well, going by my rather extensive experience, the real world is largely run by satanically evil tyrannical and casually genocidal absolutely elitistic psychopathic politicians and oligarchs, who enforce a system of absolute inequality, greed, environmental destruction, supremacism, social Darwinism, and Orwellian surveillance on this planet.

So, yes, I greatly enjoy that Oda has the sheer guts and moral fiber to challenge the status quo in the massively public manner that he does, to encourage fighting for freedom, solidarity, kindness, bravery, hope, joy, and friendship, rather than acting as an amoral, callous, and cynical apologist and enforcer for it like most other storytellers.

Well, idk if having a directly evil government is uncommon in manga. However, there is some stuff that does take balls.

for instance, I'm pretty sure Amazon Lily is like the most clear reference to the historical struggles of "comfort women" he can make legally.

The big 3 WG locations might also be a reference to the Axis powers??? Idk about Enies Lobby, but Lucci is Italian for light iirc, which the place is bathed in(and is run by a guy who really wanted people to think hemade the trains run on time lol). The Admirals of Marineford are all based on Japanese actors iirc, and Sengoku is a traditional religious idol. Impel Down... Magellan is Nazi Satan, the comparison isn't that hard.

 

[Antvasima]

Anyway, based on what we talked about earlier regarding Ulti, I think that Luffy would defeat Blackbeard in one-on-one combat if Blackbeard could not neutralise his devil fruit, but given that Blackbeard can do so, and Luffy would likely have to fight with haki alone, it will be incredibly tough, and possibly overwhelming.

 

[Kaydee1648]

the real world is largely run by satanically evil tyrannical and casually genocidal absolutely elitistic psychopathic politicians and oligarchs

that’s a lotta words

 

[Antvasima]

My apologies. I am trying to be precise.

 

[Quantu]

Well, going by my rather extensive experience, the real world is largely run by satanically evil tyrannical and casually genocidal absolutely elitistic psychopathic politicians and oligarchs, who enforce a system of absolute inequality, greed, environmental destruction, supremacism, social Darwinism, and Orwellian surveillance on this planet.

So, yes, I greatly appreciate that Oda has the sheer guts and moral fiber to challenge the status quo in the massively public manner that he does, to encourage fighting for freedom, solidarity, kindness, bravery, hope, life, joy, and friendship, rather than acting as an amoral, callous, and cynical apologist and enforcer for it like most other storytellers.

TLDR:

 

[SlendVeny]

TLDR:

Nah, Biden is Sengoku, but if he was like a decade older

 

[Kaydee1648]

TLDR:

Lmfao
how coincidental i just saw this before logging in

 

[Antvasima]

It seems like Oda's health is not good, and that the One Piece manga will go on a break because of it.

I pray for his good health and wellbeing.

https://gamerant.com/oda-health-worsens-one-piece-hiatus/

 

[Kaydee1648]

It seems like Oda's health is not good, and that the One Piece manga will go on a break because of it.

I pray for his good health and wellbeing.

https://gamerant.com/oda-health-worsens-one-piece-hiatus/

This man has been working his ass off consistently for more than 25 years. He should take it easy, bi weekly or a monthly schedule will help him focus more on his health.
Regardless, hope he gets better soon because what else would i read

 

[Antvasima]

Yes. Agreed. He should take regular breaks and only produce two manga chapters per month or so.

 

[Antvasima]

TLDR:

If you put Donald Trump, Xi Jinping, Vladimir Putin, Benjamin Netanyahu, and Kim Jong Un in the place of the five elder stars, it might work quite well.

 

[ByAsura]

Let's maybe not get too political.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. I apologise.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

that’s a lotta words

With words that are true

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Nah, Biden is Sengoku, but if he was like a decade older

Nah, Sengoku knows how to speak and act normal around chi*****

Also doesn’t fake his expressions

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

It seems like Oda's health is not good, and that the One Piece manga will go on a break because of it.

I pray for his good health and wellbeing.

https://gamerant.com/oda-health-worsens-one-piece-hiatus/

I hope Oda starts trying to be more healthy in life, he’s 100% allowed to be selfish

 

[Damage3245]

I hope for Oda's sake that the Elbaph arc doesn't last longer than two years, and that the next hundred chapters after this arc will all be spent on finishing the series / the final war.

 

[Antvasima]

I hope Oda starts trying to be more healthy in life, he’s 100% allowed to be selfish

Strongly agreed!

Also, I am very glad that Oda is getting healthier. I am rooting for him. He is really awesome. One of the artists and authors that I truly respect.

 

[Mndks]

I watching jojo

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

I watching jojo

Good?

 

[SlendVeny]

Also doesn’t fake his expressions

Sengoku literally tried to cover up a war??? He fakes shit all the time.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Sengoku literally tried to cover up a war??? He fakes shit all the time.

ok...?

he doesn't have a fake personality or behave like a robot

The closest one in op being Biden is Nusjuro

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

This a fire () Sbs

 

[SlendVeny]

This a fire () Sbs

Wait, so Sanji's basically going "Wow, Nami, you're so mature for your age ahaha"?

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Wait, so Sanji's basically going "Wow, Nami, you're so mature for your age ahaha"?

with Nami, he doesn't see age

He just sees a goddess/princess

 

[SlendVeny]

he doesn't see age

Uh oh