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One Piece General Discussion: Elbaph
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DaMonkeMan
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This means Kuzan is both below the Admirals and equal to them. Crazy
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Simple, Aokiji > Kuzan.
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Can anybody here provide a link to the Vivre Cards that apparently officially compare the strengths of the characters please?
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Can anybody here provide a link to the Vivre Cards that apparently officially compare the strengths of the characters please?
↑大自然を体現する壮大さ！炎をも克箙した能分でモモの助達を追いつめた。
The grandeur embodying the great forces of nature! The ability to subdue even flames and overpower Momonosuke and the others.
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Ikr, we know that they have up to at least after Kuma's flashback but they keep stalling!
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Scopper D Gaban soloes
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DaMonkeMan
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Imagine if Kuzan double-crosses Blackbeard and Blackbeard goes "everyone knew that shit, man, shut your damn mouth" and then just ******' decks him. Peak.
Also, uh, quick sidenote on my Shiryu vs Sanji theory, it's looking a bit more accurate to me, because the next option is Burgess, and Burgess doesn't seem like the hostage-holding type. So, basically, I think Shiryu is going to use Pudding against Sanji, maybe get a stab in like he did with Garp, ******* around with him, since he would need an Awakening for his invisibility to work. Maybe he'll make everything Sanji can see turn invisible to him, and once he gets stabbed, Sanji's gonna be like "I can tell where you are now. Your ability worked for a while... but now I'll be the one making your world disappear." Or some dope-ass edgy shit like that.
Also, uh, quick sidenote on my Shiryu vs Sanji theory, it's looking a bit more accurate to me, because the next option is Burgess, and Burgess doesn't seem like the hostage-holding type. So, basically, I think Shiryu is going to use Pudding against Sanji, maybe get a stab in like he did with Garp, ******* around with him, since he would need an Awakening for his invisibility to work. Maybe he'll make everything Sanji can see turn invisible to him, and once he gets stabbed, Sanji's gonna be like "I can tell where you are now. Your ability worked for a while... but now I'll be the one making your world disappear." Or some dope-ass edgy shit like that.
Arkenis
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We gotta be more grateful
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Toei is going to do some insane things when we're back from this break...Nah, Oda actually cooked with this fr
We gotta be more grateful
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Luffy is weak without his fruit (They've said this before Nika being a thing)
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first time fully seeing this...
Ulti using a named attack and luffy blocks it with his head
Ulti then transforms once she sees he can tank her attacks (Base Luffy > Base Ulti)
Base luffy against hybrid zoan ulti... Luffy overwhelms her with speed and overpowers her in terms of physical strength into the ground
Full zoan ulti against base luffy, luffy struggles to overcome her grip while being in a vulnerable position in the air... Having not much time to escape, he wants to transform to not get hurt
Soo... Yee I don't really see her overpowering base Luffy's strength at all, she never matched luffy's strength and only was able to overpower luffy's dura when she's using her full power
Ulti using a named attack and luffy blocks it with his head
Ulti then transforms once she sees he can tank her attacks (Base Luffy > Base Ulti)
Base luffy against hybrid zoan ulti... Luffy overwhelms her with speed and overpowers her in terms of physical strength into the ground
Full zoan ulti against base luffy, luffy struggles to overcome her grip while being in a vulnerable position in the air... Having not much time to escape, he wants to transform to not get hurt
Soo... Yee I don't really see her overpowering base Luffy's strength at all, she never matched luffy's strength and only was able to overpower luffy's dura when she's using her full power
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This assessment is fairly uncharitable, especially if you go by the anime where he's clearly in pain.
But the profile justifications are wrong. Luffy's injuries don't change from before the headbutt (they're just not drawn during action scenes, for some reason), and you can see that his limbs have reverted to normal size.
But the profile justifications are wrong. Luffy's injuries don't change from before the headbutt (they're just not drawn during action scenes, for some reason), and you can see that his limbs have reverted to normal size.
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None of your image links work.
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Idk how it's uncharitable, Luffy basically just says he got a small headache from it and that's only via him blocking the attack and underestimating her
He was still completely fine (A reason why she instantly transformed as well) and got up instantly because of the floor collapsing underneath him, main point tho is still base Luffy's strength > base Ulti Strength, that other stuff of his dura tanking the hit is just support
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first time fully seeing this...
Ulti using a named attack and luffy blocks it with his head
Being able to withstand someone's attacks mostly unharmed doesn't mean you're stronger. Equal? Yes. Stronger? no.
Ulti then transforms once she sees he can tank her attacks (Base Luffy > Base Ulti)
Oh, shit, is that Soru?
Base luffy against hybrid zoan ulti... Luffy overwhelms her with speed and overpowers her in terms of physical strength into the ground
Also, he says he underestimated her despite him having used Armament, does that not suggest she's a threat?
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His base is way stronger now.He did even lose to Ulti in a contest of power when not using any gears, yes.
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no, usually they leave behind blitzes from where you were at
Most of the time, Yes it does. Of course this is still a complex fictional setting so it's still just support with other support backing that support
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I don't see how grabbing someone by the head and flinging them backwards from behind their body is overpowering them. Characters of similar strength do that kind of stuff to each other frequently.
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Yes. That is probably true, but even so, it illustrates the massive difference between Luffy without gears and Luffy with gears.
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... Because it's overpowering their physical body strength? flinging them backwards to where they crash into the ground to where the ground gets destroyed is easily overpowering them and its Hybrid zoan ulti
I bet not even some like jon jones or Mike Tyson would be able to basically throw you to the ground from just using your head
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Like I said, though, Luffy does this to opponents like Arlong and stuff, who are fairly similar (if a bit weaker) in strength.
Maybe that's how it works in the real world, where lifting a person is an uphill battle already, but Luffy's superhumanly strong and Ulti doesn't exactly have anything to resist against.
Hell, nobody in real life is really able to send another person flying with a punch. Does that mean Luffy is stronger than everyone he sends flying?
Maybe that's how it works in the real world, where lifting a person is an uphill battle already, but Luffy's superhumanly strong and Ulti doesn't exactly have anything to resist against.
Hell, nobody in real life is really able to send another person flying with a punch. Does that mean Luffy is stronger than everyone he sends flying?
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She has her body and her feet are touching the ground, luffy doesn't just lift her... He overpowers her head, legs and back/stomach muscles and literally throws her into the ground with so much force she gets hurt and the floor is damaged
Luffy definitely overpowered her there
Luffy was much stronger than arlong
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This is false.
She has no visible or implied injuries.
The floor is made of wood.
Have to disagree, but I won't dwell on it.
