One Piece General Discussion: Elbaph

[SlendVeny]

I just remembered that Greenbull's chest tattoo is apparently a reference to a specific story.

From what I can find online, it's a story in which an older prostitute, not wanting to die alone, but contemplating death due to poverty and lack of clientele, convinces a stupid money-lender type of man to kill himself beside her. He changes his mind, but she pushes him into a river, and just before throwing herself in, she receives news that leads to her changing her mind.

The man is left to drown, but a fisherman tells him he can just stand up. He goes to his boss's house, but everyone there is illegally gambling. They mistake him for a government official and run, except for one man. Everyone praises this man, but he just can't stand.

I believe Oda remarked on how he must have a very tragic backstory due to this. I personally think there was a lovers' suicide thing, but he ****** it up so bad he lived and it looked like he was the murderer.

 

[The_man_with_the_Midas_touch]

Chopper cured his incurable disease, proving he can cure anything, and as such, Doc Q has lost the fight.

This is a fantastic way to showcase Chopper achieving his dream tbh.

 

[SlendVeny]

This is a fantastic way to showcase Chopper achieving his dream tbh.

Imagine he does it, then goes "You have roughly 180 broken bones. I'm going to fix them now."

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

I guess here’s that statement if anyone wanted to see it

Doesn't this just nuke, One piece Speed scaling?

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Have Dragon and Luffy, father and son, ever spent time together?

Isn't this answer just... No? Unless Oda brings up Dragon saving him

Or he adds something within timeskip or when luffy interacted with him but didn't know him

 

[Damage3245]

Isn't this answer just... No? Unless Oda brings up Dragon saving him

Or he adds something within timeskip or when luffy interacted with him but didn't know him

Or it could refer to when Luffy was a baby.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Or it could refer to when Luffy was a baby.

Then it's only dragon spending time with luffy and not both spending time together kinda

 

[The_man_with_the_Midas_touch]

Doesn't this just nuke, One piece Speed scaling?

Why is it that anytime Oda displays light speed as being fast, someone comes out and asks this

Not really. We literally have multiple instances in Egghead of people reacting to, intercepting, and dodging Speed of Light attacks.

As well as the fact that Kizaru himself can explicitly move faster than light when serious.

 

[Kachon123]

Doesn't this just nuke, One piece Speed scaling?

Nope. Oda isn't literally saying that the person who did this feat moved at light speed. He's using a figure of speech to allude to it being Kizaru to gave Luffy the food, hence why he said 'at the speed of light that even the naked eye can't see.' It's a similar statement to Oda saying that someone would need to duck at the speed of light in order to dodge Enel's attack or someone moving "lightning quick". It just means that person needed to move very quickly.

 

[SlendVeny]

Then it's only dragon spending time with luffy and not both spending time together kinda

What? Time still passes for babies.

 

[That_moron2]

then whips out his COC

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Man I ******* hate how annoying this fandom can be when it comes to powerscaling
I typically don't care if someone has a particularly bad take, but there's been a huge influx in downplay towards Luffy because of his performance on Egghead, which is weird. I honestly don't see a problem with it. He wasn't very impressive against Kizaru, but that's to be expected, because he wasn't even going all out and neither was Kizaru. Wasn't a real fight.
Besides, he still KOed Lucci easily (low diffed him at the most) and he had the upper hand against Saturn as well. Considering that they weren't really supposed to be fighting for most of the arc, he did fine.
I just don't see why people are trying to clown on the MC of the manga and try to portray him as a weakling that's below the other Yonko or the Admirals, if that were the case then why would Oda make him a Yonko in the first place? Why have multiple people hype him and call him strong? Makes no sense.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

What? Time still passes for babies.

…

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Nope. Oda isn't literally saying that the person who did this feat moved at light speed. He's using a figure of speech to allude to it being Kizaru to gave Luffy the food, hence why he said 'at the speed of light that even the naked eye can't see.' It's a similar statement to Oda saying that someone would need to duck at the speed of light in order to dodge Enel's attack or someone moving "lightning quick". It just means that person needed to move very quickly.

Also with the fact that everyone is paying attention to Saturn and are stuck

More of a good stealth than anything else

(He did the same thing to gear 5 with his clones)

 

[Quantu]

Man I ******* hate how annoying this fandom can be when it comes to powerscaling
I typically don't care if someone has a particularly bad take, but there's been a huge influx in downplay towards Luffy because of his performance on Egghead, which is weird. I honestly don't see a problem with it. He wasn't very impressive against Kizaru, but that's to be expected, because he wasn't even going all out and neither was Kizaru. Wasn't a real fight.
Besides, he still KOed Lucci easily (low diffed him at the most) and he had the upper hand against Saturn as well. Considering that they weren't really supposed to be fighting for most of the arc, he did fine.
I just don't see why people are trying to clown on the MC of the manga and try to portray him as a weakling that's below the other Yonko or the Admirals, if that were the case then why would Oda make him a Yonko in the first place? Why have multiple people hype him and call him strong? Makes no sense.

90% of One Piece powerscaling is just agenda wars.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

90% of One Piece powerscaling is just agenda wars.

I'm aware of that, I still think it's just really stupid for people to try and slander the main character of the manga. And as far as I know this doesn't really happen with other mangas. For example Dragon Ball fans don't slander Goku a lot, Bleach fans don't slander Ichigo, etc. I think it's specifically a problem with the one piece fandom, and it may just be a combination of agendas as well as Oda not being as clear about the powerscaling as other authors are.

 

[SlendVeny]

I'm aware of that, I still think it's just really stupid for people to try and slander the main character of the manga. And as far as I know this doesn't really happen with other mangas. For example Dragon Ball fans don't slander Goku a lot, Bleach fans don't slander Ichigo, etc. I think it's specifically a problem with the one piece fandom, and it may just be a combination of agendas as well as Oda not being as clear about the powerscaling as other authors are.

It's all Admirals fans. The moment Luffy became a Yonkou, they had to hate him.

There's a sizable number of people who read the manga and just hate Oda.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

It's all Admirals fans. The moment Luffy became a Yonkou, they had to hate him.

There's a sizable number of people who read the manha and just hate Oda.

Also Zoro fans. They want him to be stronger than Luffy.
There's this one guy on Worstgen who thinks that Zoro is the representative of power while Luffy represents fame and Nami represents wealth (a reference to the speech about Roger obtaining everything), so Zoro has to be the strongest in the crew because of that.
It's hilariously stupid.

 

[Nierre]

wtf that's so cringe lmfao

 

[Kachon123]

There's this one guy on Worstgen who thinks that Zoro is the representative of power while Luffy represents fame and Nami represents wealth (a reference to the speech about Roger obtaining everything), so Zoro has to be the strongest in the crew because of that.

There are a lot of people who have this take lol. It's kind of sad ngl.

 

[Quantu]

That site is a circlejerk. Zoro fans there go crazy everytime Sanji uses Ifrit Jambe lol.

First when he used it to help push back Mars, you couldn't move for "Ifrit Jambe Hell Memories is fodder", "Imagine if it was a King of Hell Ashura attack, Luffy would be dead", "Franky level"

Then in Elbaph against the Cat he got cooked, and on the Iron Net.

 

[Kachon123]

That site is a circlejerk. Zoro fans there go crazy everytime Sanji uses Ifrit Jambe lol.

First when he used it to help push back Mars, you couldn't move for "Ifrit Jambe Hell Memories is fodder", "Imagine if it was a King of Hell Ashura attack, Luffy would be dead", "Franky level"

Then in Elbaph against the Cat he got cooked, and on the Iron Net.

Meanwhile Zoro with CoC disfunction who hasn't used it since

/s obviously, but those in glass houses really shouldn't throw stones.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

That site is a circlejerk. Zoro fans there go crazy everytime Sanji uses Ifrit Jambe lol.

First when he used it to help push back Mars, you couldn't move for "Ifrit Jambe Hell Memories is fodder", "Imagine if it was a King of Hell Ashura attack, Luffy would be dead", "Franky level"

Then in Elbaph against the Cat he got cooked, and on the Iron Net.

Yeah I didn't get the slander towards IJ just because he used it a lot. They also said the cat recovered quickly which was a L for Sanji but like, they forgot that Zoro and Luffy also attacked it.
The IJ Hell Memories thing was indeed weird though. I guess you can just chalk it up to Luffy being a very tough cookie against blunt attacks as per usual. After all not even Kizaru's incredibly fast kick could do much damage to him.

 

[ByAsura]

Luffy represents fame and Nami represents wealth (a reference to the speech about Roger obtaining everything), so Zoro has to be the strongest in the crew because of that.

I guess Mihawk was referring to fame when he said that becoming the Pirate King is more difficult than becoming the strongest swordsman.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

So true

 

[SlendVeny]

I guess Mihawk was referring to fame when he said that becoming the Pirate King is more difficult than becoming the strongest swordsman.

Jokes aside, that actually probably does have to do with how it's not just power. Mihawk is the one who gave us that info about Luffy's charisma

 

[ByAsura]

Unless the viz translations are wrong, he was referring to actual danger.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

I always interpreted it as him meaning it's just more difficult. To become the WSS, you just need to become a god tier, specifically one above people like Mihawk and Shanks. That is definitely very hard to do, but it's the only thing you need to do to become the WSS. Becoming the Pirate King requires:
Being a top/god tier
Having a strong crew
Having a good navigator
Having a good helmsman
Having someone who can read road poneglyphs
Collecting said road poneglyphs (which is even harder now that the fourth one is missing)
So on and so forth

 

[SlendVeny]

Unless the viz translations are wrong, he was referring to actual danger.

Can't see the link, but the thing about being Pirate King is you can't do it alone. It's inherently more dangerous because you need a good crew and to fight more people.

 

[Kachon123]

I always interpreted it as him meaning it's just more difficult. To become the WSS, you just need to become a god tier, specifically one above people like Mihawk and Shanks. That is definitely very hard to do, but it's the only thing you need to do to become the WSS. Becoming the Pirate King requires:
Being a top/god tier
Having a strong crew
Having a good navigator
Having a good helmsman
Having someone who can read road poneglyphs
Collecting said road poneglyphs (which is even harder now that the fourth one is missing)
So on and so forth

Oda was cooking when he said Sakazuki could become Pirate King in 1 year then

Red Dog really became WSS as a side mission years ago and handed the title over to Mihawk out of courtesy my generous goat

 

[ByAsura]

Can't see the link, but the thing about being Pirate King is you can't do it alone. It's inherently more dangerous because you need a good crew and to fight more people.

Scan.

This is still an L take because Zoro is Luffy first mate, meaning that stuff applies to and is inclusive of Zoro. But, I can see where you're coming from, so I won't dox your family this time.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Oda was cooking when he said Sakazuki could become Pirate King in 1 year then

Red Dog really became WSS as a side mission years ago and handed the title over to Mihawk out of courtesy my generous goat

I know you're joking and I don't want to be the guy who's like "Achshually, erm...", but he just meant the manga wouldn't last long because people wouldn't be interested in Sakazuki stomping the East Blue and Grand Line villains

 

[DaMonkeMan]

so I won't dox your family this time.

*****.
/s

 

[SlendVeny]

Scan.

This is still an L take because Zoro is Luffy first mate, meaning that stuff applies to and is inclusive of Zoro. But, I can see where you're coming from, so I won't dox your family this time.

Yeah? Zoro's primary goal isn't to be the second strongest member of the Pirate King's crew.

 

[ByAsura]

I don't see the relevance of your point. Also, you're talking about two things that are true at the same time here, so it's not like this contradicts anything.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Dalton is stronger than Queen.

 

[Ryuga21]

Koby vs Kuzan: The two of them just absolutely box each other 1-on-1, Kuzan's beating him down, gets him frozen up, Koby laughs, then whips out his COC or whatever to win.

I would find it very unlikely that Kuzan would fight seriously against Koby since he respects and admires Garp and most likely would not want to kill the boy that his master believes to be the future of the Marines. Kuzan certainly has ulterior motives as a pirate, he is not evil or a true villain.

I wish Oda would give us a chance to see the duel between Akainu and Aokiji, but that probably won't happen, however seeing a rematch is possible. I don't have a crystal ball but I would like in the future for both of them to fight to the death as eternal rivals (Or Aokiji would come out on top and take over as Fleet Admiral at the end of the manga).

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Man I ******* hate how annoying this fandom can be when it comes to powerscaling
I typically don't care if someone has a particularly bad take, but there's been a huge influx in downplay towards Luffy because of his performance on Egghead, which is weird. I honestly don't see a problem with it. He wasn't very impressive against Kizaru, but that's to be expected, because he wasn't even going all out and neither was Kizaru. Wasn't a real fight.
Besides, he still KOed Lucci easily (low diffed him at the most) and he had the upper hand against Saturn as well. Considering that they weren't really supposed to be fighting for most of the arc, he did fine.
I just don't see why people are trying to clown on the MC of the manga and try to portray him as a weakling that's below the other Yonko or the Admirals, if that were the case then why would Oda make him a Yonko in the first place? Why have multiple people hype him and call him strong? Makes no sense.

It's just the admiral agenda/fans on Twitter... They think they are "helping" OP by spreading as much bs and misinformation to get attraction/something to talk about and or for self benefit clout

Like they are actual trolls. For me it's just sad to look at, Only puts OP in a bad light when it comes to America and One Piece

 

[Kachon123]

So.... we're getting a QnA from Oda within the next couple days. Praying Oda doesn't go the SBS route.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

I'm aware of that, I still think it's just really stupid for people to try and slander the main character of the manga. And as far as I know this doesn't really happen with other mangas. For example Dragon Ball fans don't slander Goku a lot, Bleach fans don't slander Ichigo, etc. I think it's specifically a problem with the one piece fandom, and it may just be a combination of agendas as well as Oda not being as clear about the powerscaling as other authors are.

Kinda true but they also ignore/hide things that goes against their agenda... They just don't care what Oda is trying to portray

Like I saw a vid about admiral agenda and even the uploader is supporting their actions... like bro, ain't nothing respectable about being a troll