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One Piece General Discussion: Elbaph

SlendVeny said:
Not really, he just let the other guys take care of it.
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Between holding off two of Kaido's top commanders at bay and helping Chopper he was exhausted and tired, he knew that he wasn't going to win and so he let Zoro and Sanji have their chance to defeat King and Queen.

SlendVeny said:
Marco was stated to be even with them in a databook, and he sent Aokiji flying with a kick from his normal-ass human leg.
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That doesn't say much considering that it didn't damage Aokiji in anyway, even Jozu's smash was more impressive as it made him bleed him a bit.

SlendVeny said:
Going off the manga alone, even the Scabbards weren't done healing.
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While weakened they weren't on death's bed and even with the help from Yamato and a Dragon Momonosuke the admiral clearly was holding the advantage, something i doubt a fully health King and Queen together would had been able to archive.
 
SlendVeny said:
More than 6 years before Wano.
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I think she's implying that yonko has been around for decades
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Stefano4444 said:
Between holding off two of Kaido's top commanders at bay and helping Chopper he was exhausted and tired, he knew that he wasn't going to win and so he let Zoro and Sanji have their chance to defeat King and Queen.
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Yeah, he was tired because they are recovering, there are 2 of them, and they have weird hax, plus I'm pretty sure his regen consumes stamina.
Stefano4444 said:
While weakened they weren't on death's bed and even with the help from Yamato and a Dragon Momonosuke the admiral clearly was holding the advantage, something i doubt a fully health King and Queen together would had been able to archive.
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Base Yamato hit him once with a Conqueror's attack and he was like "owch, shit, that's strong stuff," and nothing else happened.


Anyway, Marco vs Greenbull is probably going to happen, so we'll see who's comparable.
 
Stefano4444 said:
I seriously doubt you can get Katakuri to near admiral when everything else suggest that yonko commanders are in general inferior to admirals, just like how admirals are in general inferior to emperors.
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Which is why I said near, not Admiral level, like how Marco and Jozu are H6A/5C just like Kizaru and Akainu, the only difference being the amount of >>> between them as the values are the same if I am not mistaken.

Katakuri could be in a similar state (but 6A/H6A like Fujitora and Aramaki instead, with a bunch of >~>= between them).
 
I don't really feel like explaining it but what I'm talking about was after Marco initially arrived and kicked Queen and King around for a bit.
 
I have completely changed my perspective on Katakuri, he is so funny. HE GOT THE SCARS BECAUSE HE ATE TOO MUCH, it's so good. And the fact that he can see all the shit everyone's about to do and is secretly freaking out the whole time is hilarious.

But when you look at him as a standard arc miniboss, rather than the "Almighty solo-king" his fans hype him up as, he's a really good character. He's just like Luffy, and everyone knows that, but the thing is, he's a Luffy that had to be serious all the time. He likes Luffy because Luffy is everything he wants to be: Free.

Katakuri hides behind a "cool" shell in a detrimental behavior, attempting to put up a brave face, to inspire and protect his family, and I think a lot of older siblings can relate to that.
 
Also, I like to imagine that before Whole Cake, Zoro was thinking "Damn, this is gonna be a Sanji arc, and I'm not there to steal the show by being equally cool? Shit, what do I do?" and then a couple minutes later, he accidentally runs into Brook and goes "Alright, so I know I won your big fight in Thriller Bark, but you have the chance to do something hilarious."
 
SlendVeny said:
But when you look at him as a standard arc miniboss, rather than the "Almighty solo-king" his fans hype him up as, he's a really good character. He's just like Luffy, and everyone knows that, but the thing is, he's a Luffy that had to be serious all the time. He likes Luffy because Luffy is everything he wants to be: Free.

Katakuri hides behind a "cool" shell in a detrimental behavior, attempting to put up a brave face, to inspire and protect his family, and I think a lot of older siblings can relate to that.
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this is character growth for you too considering you hated him over his annoying fans
 
SlendVeny said:
I have completely changed my perspective on Katakuri, he is so funny. HE GOT THE SCARS BECAUSE HE ATE TOO MUCH, it's so good. And the fact that he can see all the shit everyone's about to do and is secretly freaking out the whole time is hilarious.

But when you look at him as a standard arc miniboss, rather than the "Almighty solo-king" his fans hype him up as, he's a really good character. He's just like Luffy, and everyone knows that, but the thing is, he's a Luffy that had to be serious all the time. He likes Luffy because Luffy is everything he wants to be: Free.

Katakuri hides behind a "cool" shell in a detrimental behavior, attempting to put up a brave face, to inspire and protect his family, and I think a lot of older siblings can relate to that.
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SlendVeny said:
Also, I like to imagine that before Whole Cake, Zoro was thinking "Damn, this is gonna be a Sanji arc, and I'm not there to steal the show by being equally cool? Shit, what do I do?" and then a couple minutes later, he accidentally runs into Brook and goes "Alright, so I know I won your big fight in Thriller Bark, but you have the chance to do something hilarious."
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The combo of these posts is funny because there's a bit where Katakuri goes "You seem to be quite powerful, skeleton," while leaning back against the mast of the Sunny, and Brook goes "Well, I'm the Soul King, after all."

Furthermore, Katakuri's Future Sight is a really good plot point for another reason I forgot to mention. He's the first big enemy post-timeskip to not underestimate Luffy.

Allow me to provide an example. Doffy made a big deal about how he didn't underestimate him like Crocodile or something, but then he saw Luffy, who to his knowledge had 2 significant transformations already, transforming, and went "you got bigger I guess, whatever," then the moment he saw Boundman jumping around in the air, he went "Is this a joke? I thought you had a plan. You can't even stand properly anymore," and, the when Luffy started explaining that treating him like a joke was a mistake, he thought it over for a second and went "Ok, you're more resilient, but what's that gonna do?" And then Boundman massacres him.

Meanwhile, Katakuri sees Luffy coming in his direction. Two of his crewmates just got beaten by Perospero. Luffy's flanked by, from his perspective: a random Mink warrior, a guy who he knows can fight on par with Tamago, a woman who can control the weather, and a former WARLORD OF THE SEA. They're all getting chased by Big Mom, and at one point, Luffy's got his tongue hanging out like a dog while he does it. Katakuri knows. He looks around at his group, including, as I mentioned, Perospero, who took down a weakened Brook and Chopper effortlessly, and he points behind him, and looks directly at Luffy.

"Return to the Mirro-World. Within mere seconds... you'll all be lying at his feet."
 
Just cause I've been seeing so much slander, I'm going to make a stand of sorts.

If you know, I've always been sort of a light Koby supporter, I might joke about him once every blue moon, but I always tend to be in his corner.

I'm gonna double down and full on invest in Koby stocks as people have been clowning on him way too much on other places, and I can't let that slide (don't worry, if you wanna joke about him, I'm not gonna stop you or be butt hurt lol)!

If I end being a fool for investing in him, I want this to be bookmarked so that y'all can clown on me, but if my investments turn out to be fruitful, damn I'm gonna feel so good, cause the Koby turn around from the community is gonna be ridiculous!
 
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