One Piece General Discussion: Elbaph

[ZKillerz]

Saying that Marco healing the Samurai costed his own stamina is like saying Ace's fire fist continuing to burn a building was taking stamina from him.

That's just the nature of Marco's flames. Instead of burning, they heal. Outside of the original casting of the flames, the effects (instead of burning, it heals), it does not take stamina.

Tbf it did seem like his intention was to expend fire to stop the ice plague rather than that simply being a side effect of his fighting.

Regardless, it's still kind of sad for a stamina feat. We've seen characters like Ace and Sabo engulf entire city blocks in flames without breaking a sweat. Doflamingo turned an entire city block into strings. But Marco's big excuse is that he used his flames to keep a couple hundred samurai warm

 

[That_moron2]

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I did it.

 

[SlendVeny]

"You're fighting me" doesn't mean the same thing as "You were supposed to be fighting me, remember?"

Take away the "remember" and it actually does.

Not a limiter? Why would he have ever had to? That's like saying Luffy can't coat his right ass cheek in haki because he's never shown it before. Haki is Haki.

When does he ever coat anything in Haki?

Marco's regeneration flames are just healing as normal fire burns.

Yes, but they're not consuming fuel, and they would disappear if he fell unconscious, right?

 

[Kachon123]

No, it's more like saying Ace creating and manipulating a giant dragon costed stamina.

No it is not.

"The fire is for revival. Unlike real fire, it doesn't spread or give off heat."

Instead of burning, it heals.

 

[ZKillerz]

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I did it.

I dont know how to calc but good job

 

[SlendVeny]

No it is not.

"The fire is for revival. Unlike real fire, it doesn't spread or give off heat."

Instead of burning, it heals.

Yeah, I knew that.

 

[Kachon123]

Take away the "remember" and it actually does.

"Remember" is your entire point, as that single word means that Marco is reminding Queen that they were fighting, which directly implies that Queen got distracted, which is your entire point.

When does he ever coat anything in Haki?

Basic Haki ability.

they're not consuming fuel

The target's stamina is the fuel as he stated. Once they run out of stamina, the flames disappear.

In the same way, when normal fire is burning something, when it runs out of fuel, the flames disappear.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

I've already explained 1 million times why Kidd's repel against Big Mom on the rooftop does not scale him to her LS.

Big Mom is being repelled into the air, meaning Kidd would unironically only scale to her weight and not her LS as she has no solid surface or means to resist the repulsion.

I was referring to Assign, though.

 

[Kachon123]

I was referring to Assign, though.

Assign required Kidd to be extremely close to the target.

 

[ZKillerz]

I was referring to Assign, though.

My bad, Vietnam flashbacks started playing in my head

 

[SlendVeny]

"Remember" is your entire point, as that single word means that Marco is reminding Queen that they were fighting, which directly implies that Queen got distracted, which is your entire point.

No, "you're supposed to be fighting me" still works.

Basic Haki ability.

So it should be easy to prove.

The target's stamina is the fuel as he stated. Once they run out of stamina, the flames disappear.

When did he say the flames disappear? All he said was that the disease would take them, right?

 

[ZKillerz]

The target's stamina is the fuel as he stated. Once they run out of stamina, the flames disappear.

In the same way, when normal fire is burning something, when it runs out of fuel, the flames disappear.

But it should still take energy to start and spread the fire to begin with, even if its minimal
I agree that after the fire is expended it doesn't continue to sap from marco's stamina, but using it to begin with is what I think slendveny is referring to.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Assign required Kidd to be extremely close to the target.

We're talking about LS.

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I did it.

Great job bro.

 

[Kachon123]

No, "you're supposed to be fighting me" still works.

Marco never said that.

So it should be easy to prove.

Prove thats Luffy can apply haki to his left ass cheek, or that Kaidou can apply Haki to his right horn.

Do you now understand how stupid your argument sounds?

All he said was that the disease would take them

Which means that the flames aren't working anymore...? If flames don't have fuel, they disappear. It's the same reason why Marco couldn't regenerate after a while in chapter 1022 based on his STAMINA.

 

[SlendVeny]

But it should still take energy to start and spread the fire to begin with, even if its minimal
I agree that after the fire is expended it doesn't continue to sap from marco's stamina, but using it to begin with is what I think slendveny is referring to.

This is what I am saying, yes. And I would say maybe maintaining the fire's form, but that one is tough to prove.

 

[ZKillerz]

Which still means he used a bunch of stamina. Maintaining the flames themselves also costs stamina.

No marco's flames were stated to have been fueled by the person's stamina rather than his own

 

[Kachon123]

But it should still take energy to start and spread the fire to begin with, even if its minimal

I'm not disagreeing with you? I quite literally said that the activation of the fire takes stamina.

Slend is claiming that Marco's stamina was being taken while fighting Queen + King from the fire that was already on the Samurai, which is wrong..

 

[Eseseso]

About Yamato, we know that at the very least her durability exceeds 1010 Luffy, and her Ap should be about equal

Rooftop Asura Zoro is inferior to 1010 Luffy, but KoH Zoro should be superior.

 

[ZKillerz]

I'm not disagreeing with you? I quite literally said that the activation of the fire takes stamina.

Slend is claiming that Marco's stamina was being taken while fighting Queen + King from the fire that was already on the Samurai, which is wrong..

Ah ok I misunderstood his argument

 

[ZKillerz]

About Yamato, we know that at the very least her durability exceeds 1010 Luffy, and her Ap should be about equal

Rooftop Asura Zoro is inferior to 1010 Luffy, but KoH Zoro should be superior.

Why is rooftop ashura inferior to 1010 luffy?

 

[SlendVeny]

Marco never said that.

You're fighting me = we are fighting = we have been in a fight

Prove thats Luffy can apply haki to his left ass cheek, or that Kaidou can apply Haki to his right horn.

I don't care if they can. I care if they DO. Also, Luffy coats his asscheeks in Haki for Boundman.

Do you now understand how stupid your argument sounds?

Nope.

Which means that the flames aren't working anymore...? If flames don't have fuel, they disappear.

The stamina could refer to the body FIGHTING THE ACTUAL VIRUS.

It's the same reason why Marco couldn't regenerate after a while in chapter 1022 based on his STAMINA.

I agree that if Marco doesn't have stamina, his flames fail. Probably for the other stuff too, neutral on that though.

 

[Kachon123]

we know that at the very least her durability exceeds 1010 Luffy

Based on?

 

[SlendVeny]

No marco's flames were stated to have been fueled by the person's stamina rather than his own

No, I didn't mean the properties of the flames, I meant keeping them from getting put out or whatever, not completely sure on that point though since that might also be the same thing?

 

[Eseseso]

Why is rooftop ashura inferior to 1010 luffy?

One clashed with Hao + Hybrid Kaido and knocked him down, the other using everything failed to knock Kaido down.

 

[SlendVeny]

I'm not disagreeing with you? I quite literally said that the activation of the fire takes stamina.

Slend is claiming that Marco's stamina was being taken while fighting Queen + King from the fire that was already on the Samurai, which is wrong..

Not what I'm claiming, I gave up that point a while ago.

 

[Kachon123]

You're fighting me = we are fighting = we have been in a fight

What the ****?

Luffy coats his asscheeks in Haki for Boundman.

Have you ever seen Luffy's bare ass in Boundman

 

[Eseseso]

Based on?

Her taking a fuckton of enraged Hao + Hybrid hits from Kaido and being relatively fine, while 1010 Luffy, you know, lost.

 

[ZKillerz]

One clashed with Hao + Hybrid Kaido and knocked him down, the other using everything failed to knock Kaido down.

Ok but in terms of ap zoro's attack should be superior
Luffy produced more force behind his attack and probably had better haki aswell, but ap-wise zoro scarred kaido

 

[SlendVeny]

Have you ever seen Luffy's bare ass in Boundman

Yeah, but I can't post it here.

 

[Eseseso]

What the ****?

Have you ever seen Luffy's bare ass in Boundman

Shhh, you'll make Hancock jealous

 

[Kachon123]

Not what I'm claiming, I gave up that point a while ago.

So why are we still debating this

 

[Mr.Cinos15]

Do y'all think Oda will delve into Kaido's super hybrid form in a future databook or magazine? Or do y'all think Luffy might bring it up later in the story?

 

[SlendVeny]

So why are we still debating this

That's my question.

 

[Kachon123]

Yeah, but I can't post it here.

PM please.

 

[ZKillerz]

What the ****?

Have you ever seen Luffy's bare ass in Boundman

I'm pretty sure luffy covers his entire body in haki while using boundman

 

[Kachon123]

Her taking a fuckton of enraged Hao + Hybrid hits from Kaido and being relatively fine

Was described as bloodied and bruised. That's endurance that she was able to stand up, not durability.

while 1010 Luffy, you know, lost.

After 40 minutes of fighting, sure.

 

[ZKillerz]

PM please.

 

[Mr.Cinos15]

I'm pretty sure luffy covers his entire body in haki while using boundman

Not his abs.

 

[Fireld]

Do y'all think Oda will delve into Kaido's super hybrid form in a future databook or magazine? Or do y'all think Luffy might bring it up later in the story?

I hope we get both about his form

 

[Kachon123]

Have we ever seen Luffy cover his teeth in Haki?

If not, then how do we know he's capable of doing so?


That's literally what people who claim Queen can't coat his mech body in haki are saying.