One Piece General Discussion: Elbaph

[MonkeyOfLife]

He only won because of Elemental Superiority

Don't think so... There's probably some statement that will just prove that it's because he was simply stronger

I mean the admiral < fleet admiral stuff also supports it

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Don't think so... There's probably some statement that will just prove that it's because he was simply stronger

I mean the admiral < fleet admiral stuff also supports it

If he was that much stronger he wouldn't have taken 10 days to win.
And iirc all Admirals are relative/equal.

 

[SlendVeny]

Everyone thinks the fake Straw Hats are weak, but they literally have Sogeking on the team

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

If he was that much stronger he wouldn't have taken 10 days to win.
And iirc all Admirals are relative/equal.

... Never said he was much stronger... Just stronger

 

[DaMonkeMan]

... Never said he was much stronger... Just stronger

I guess in terms of his DF yeah, as he has some of the highest DF-based offense with it.

 

[Sus]

Zoro, sure
Yamato, no
Sabo, sure
Marco, sure

But there are a heck of a lot of characters who also scale to around that level, like King, Ace, Sanji, Jozu, Vista, Queen, and Bon Clay

yamato beats the shit out of marco and sabo

 

[Kachon123]

yamato beats the shit out of marco and sabo

Yeah I know

 

[Sus]

then how's he not admiral level when they are

 

[Darkvie123]

King beats Yamato mid diff.

Me when i lie

 

[Darkvie123]

And also Queen doesnt stand a chance vs any Admiral

 

[Kachon123]

then how's he not admiral level when they are

I'm just hating

 

[Eseseso]

Kaku vs Jack. Who wins?

 

[Kachon123]

Kaku vs Jack. Who wins?

Kaku high diff

 

[Ped2018]

Kaku vs Jack. Who wins?

Don't disrespect Kaku like this ever again

 

[Eseseso]

Don't disrespect Kaku like this ever again

My spiritual brother.

 

[Eseseso]

Kaku high diff

High diff? Eehhhhhhh.

I mean, even if we seriously lowball, Awakened Kaku is at minimum superior to Base no-Haki Zoro, who would utterly clap Jack 5 times over.

 

[Kachon123]

High diff? Eehhhhhhh.

I mean, even if we seriously lowball, Awakened Kaku is at minimum superior to Base no-Haki Zoro, who would utterly clap Jack 5 times over.

Needing to use Awakening already makes it a mid diff fight overall, but due to Jack's endurance and regen, he would have to use Rankyayu variations imo to actually put him down, hence why its a high diff.

 

[Sus]

i was confused why yall think kiku > jack, then i reread

 

[Kachon123]

It's a high diff not in the sense that Jack can compete with Kaku's stats, moreso that it would be sort of difficult to actually put him down.

 

[Ped2018]

i was confused why yall think kiku > jack, then i reread

That's why you failing classes

 

[Ped2018]

It's a high diff not in the sense that Jack can compete with Kaku's stats, moreso that it would be sort of difficult to actually put him down.

This i agree with

 

[Eseseso]

Needing to use Awakening already makes it a mid diff fight overall, but due to Jack's endurance and regen, he would have to use Rankyayu variations imo to actually put him down, hence why its a high diff.

That makes sense.

I mean, I personally don't think he'd need Awakening since his Base/Rokushiki is impressive enough on its own to beat Jack (albeit mid-high diff), I was just using the low-balled power of his Awakening to show that he was definitely winning this fight. You are right about it being at least mid-diff if he is forced to use Awakening.

But yes, Ancient Zoan endurance and regen goes brrr.

It's a high diff not in the sense that Jack can compete with Kaku's stats, moreso that it would be sort of difficult to actually put him down.

good summary.

i was confused why yall think kiku > jack, then i reread

Kiku may be best girl, but Kaku is best boi.

That's why you failing classes

 

[Eseseso]

Also, I am having issues with a scaling thing. So Base Lucci is confirmed to be the most powerful CP0 agent in OP magazine volume 16, which at the absolute minimum puts his base above Base Kaku, which we all know.

Now, this would on paper also put him above Guernica and Maha, except there's one problem: By the time the magazine was released (beginning of March 2023), Maha had been dead for a year in real-time, and we have no idea what Guernica's status is since the Elders think he's dead and it's implied he kinda isn't in CP0 anymore due to him sending pics of G5 to Morgans, like a boss.

Now, if the statement said "strongest agent ever" or something like that, we wouldn't have an issue, but alas. Lucci being >= Guernica is implied in story by how in chapter 1028 he seems to be able to just order Guernica around, and seems to be shown as at least equal to Guernica (since CP0 seems a lot like an organization where power helps determine status), but that's more or less it.

What do y'all think?

Sorry to dump all this, but this stuff is very irritating to me.

Not like I got to worry about it now though, since we haven't even returned to Egghead in the goddamn story.

 

[Sus]

That's why you failing classes

nah uh

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Also, I am having issues with a scaling thing. So Base Lucci is confirmed to be the most powerful CP0 agent in OP magazine volume 16, which at the absolute minimum puts his base above Base Kaku, which we all know.

Now, this would on paper also put him above Guernica and Maha, except there's one problem: By the time the magazine was released (beginning of March 2023), Maha had been dead for a year in real-time, and we have no idea what Guernica's status is since the Elders think he's dead and it's implied he kinda isn't in CP0 anymore due to him sending pics of G5 to Morgans, like a boss.

Now, if the statement said "strongest agent ever" or something like that, we wouldn't have an issue, but alas. Lucci being >= Guernica is implied in story by how in chapter 1028 he seems to be able to just order Guernica around, and seems to be shown as at least equal to Guernica (since CP0 seems a lot like an organization where power helps determine status), but that's more or less it.

What do y'all think?

Sorry to dump all this, but this stuff is very irritating to me.

Not like I got to worry about it now though, since we haven't even returned to Egghead in the goddamn story.

It's like saying Base Kaidou > Base Big Mom because he has the WSC title.

 

[Eseseso]

It's like saying Base Kaidou > Base Big Mom because he has the WSC title.

I mean, they show Lucci's Base when they state it.

But the issue isn't which form of Lucci's it applies to, it's whether Guernica (and Maha) can even be considered.

Also, Base Kaido = 1-Homie Big Mom > Base Big Mom

 

[Sus]

Base Kaidou > Base Big Mom

ong

 

[SlendVeny]

It's like saying Base Kaidou > Base Big Mom because he has the WSC title.

Wait, but isn't that true

 

[Kachon123]

But the issue isn't which form of Lucci's it applies to, it's whether Guernica (and Maha) can even be considered.

I don't see why they would be excluded.

 

[Eseseso]

I don't see why they would be excluded.

Because they're not in CP0 anymore.

 

[Kachon123]

Because they're not in CP0 anymore.

Doesn't matter. They were in CP0

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Doesn't matter. They were in CP0

It wouldn't apply to them.
They died in like, March 2022.
Lucci's statement came out in 2023.

Wait, but isn't that true

iirc they're equal.

I mean, they show Lucci's Base when they state it.

But the issue isn't which form of Lucci's it applies to, it's whether Guernica (and Maha) can even be considered.

Also, Base Kaido = 1-Homie Big Mom > Base Big Mom

They can't be considered as they were dead by the time.
It's been an entire year and then some and we never heard about Guernica once. It's over.

 

[SlendVeny]

They can't be considered as they were dead by the time.
It's been an entire year and then some and we never heard about Guernica once. It's over.

THE GUERNICA PIECE IS REEEEEAAAAL

 

[Ped2018]

It wouldn't apply to them.
They died in like, March 2022.
Lucci's statement came out in 2023

Disagree

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Shut up

 

[Ped2018]

 

[SlendVeny]

Shut up

Appeal to authority

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Appeal to these nuts hitting ya forehead like ping pong balls

 

[SlendVeny]

Appeal to these nuts hitting ya forehead like ping pong balls

Occam's razor

 

[DaMonkeMan]

That's not even how you use Occam's Razor