One Piece General Discussion: Elbaph

[DaMonkeMan]

Why do people think base Kaidou doesn't still have Advanced Haki and drunk modes

 

[Sus]

Based on?

the beast pirates being a hierarchy of power?

 

[Sus]

What the hell are you on about?

sigh

i strictly said base kaido > base king

 

[Kachon123]

the beast pirates being a hierarchy of power?

And how do you know that equates to Base Kaidou being above Full Power King?

 

[Sus]

And how do you know that equates to Base Kaidou being above Full Power King?

i never said that why do you keep repeat something i never said i said that i didnt mean full power king like 3 times already holy shit

 

[Kachon123]

i strictly said base kaido > base king

king has higher ap and is still inferior to base kaido

You literally just said "King"

 

[Kachon123]

Getting gaslit

 

[Sus]

You literally just said "King"

king has a shitload of attacks the default assumption is his base, why would i mean base kaido > some shit like self destruction

 

[Sus]

Getting gaslit

you tell that for your ex not me

 

[Kachon123]

why would i mean base kaido > some shit like self destruction

Because you made sure to say Base Kaidou, but didn't say Base King, so I assumed that you meant King as a whole?

Not sure why you're blaming anyone but yourself but not being specific.

Clown behavior ngl.

 

[Eseseso]

btw, eseseso, what makes you think zoro used enma + asura against kaido?

I actually spoke with Emin about this, and he explained that we see Enma glowing before Zoro uses Asura (and the anime also supports Enma amping Asura since Kaido once again gets Oden-related PTSD).

Zoro also says he put all of his remaining power in that attack.

It's a shame, since otherwise Asura clashing evenly with Hybrid Kaido before he opened Kaido's scar would also be a feat for Buso Zoro since just 2-3 of Zoro's Buso swords could clash with Hybrid Kaido each time.

 

[Kachon123]

you tell that for your ex not me

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[Sus]

Because you made sure to say Base Kaidou, but didn't say Base King, so I assumed that you meant King as a whole?

we were talking about marco
which king fought marco

Not sure why you're blaming anyone but yourself but not being specific.

Clown behavior ngl.

no i literally clarified multiple times

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Grammar nazi

 

[Sus]

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at least i actually read

I actually spoke with Emin about this, and he explained that we see Enma glowing before Zoro uses Asura (and the anime also supports Enma amping Asura since Kaido once again gets Oden-related PTSD).

Zoro also says he put all of his remaining power in that attack.

fine

 

[Kachon123]

which king fought marco

Zoan King?

 

[Eseseso]

which king fought marco

Both Base and Zoan King fought Marco, but Base King with a sword sliced through Marco's wing.

 

[Sus]

not what i said at all, i meant kaido scales above his ap and to enma zoro/oden who all have higher ap than marco

where did you get the "full power" from my ninja

i never mentioned "full power"

do you even read

 

[Kachon123]

do you even read

After the arguments were made?

 

[Sus]

After the arguments were made?

i clarified as soon as you brought it up but you still bugged me about it

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Zoan King?

Using this to beef up Marco.

 

[Kachon123]

i clarified as soon as you brought it up but you still bugged me about it

I bugged you about it because you were acting as if you clarified before I brought up Base King when that's just not what happened

 

[Sus]

anyway, i stand by my point
marco has lower ap than base kaido and 1h big mom
does he scale to base big mom? fine

 

[Eseseso]

Using this to beef up Marco.

Base Marco < Base Zoro < Base King (w/ sword) = Zoan Marco

But even though Zoan King > Base King w/ sword, Zoan Marco has good defenses that exceed his AP.

 

[Sus]

I bugged you about it because you were acting as if you clarified before I brought up Base King when that's just not what happened

you know what forget it

 

[Kachon123]

Base Marco < Base Zoro < Base King (w/ sword) = Zoan Marco

But even though Zoan King > Base King w/ sword, Zoan Marco has good defenses that exceed his AP.

Also, his Imperial Flame Bullets scale below his normal AP. They're kinda garbage

 

[Eseseso]

Also, his Imperial Flame Bullets scale below his normal AP. They're kinda garbage

Yeah, not gonna argue, they were low-key trash.

At least his Hybrid form's wind-danmaku stomped Base Zoro (who's superior to Base Marco) and hurt Zoan Queen (albeit not much).

 

[Sus]

i was about to call kachon "sanji"

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Base Marco < Base Zoro < Base King (w/ sword) = Zoan Marco

But even though Zoan King > Base King w/ sword, Zoan Marco has good defenses that exceed his AP.

Zoan King=Zoan Marco apparently

 

[Sus]

yall brought up this shi to cover up the sanji > yamato stuff
yamato stomps btw

 

[Kachon123]

Zoan King=Zoan Marco apparently

Zoan King >> Zoan Marco

 

[Eseseso]

Zoan King=Zoan Marco apparently

I'd say Zoan King is superior, but not by much.

Marco just has great defenses, and his flames negate flame bullets.

 

[Eseseso]

Zoan King >> Zoan Marco

FR, even after Zoro unlocked Enma's full power, Zoan King still pressured the hell out of Zoro. Even if we assume Zoro didn't have Enma there (which I personally think he did, which the anime confirmed), his normal buso was overpowering Buso Base King, who stomped Early fight Zoro and slapped him around.

Zoan King >= Buso Zoro > Buso King >> Early fight Zoro, even if we assume Zoro wasn't using Enma when he was getting pressured.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

yall brought up this shi to cover up the sanji > yamato stuff
yamato stomps btw

It should be pretty blatant she stomps. Dunno why their match is even on the profiles.

Zoan King >> Zoan Marco

Not according to the panel you posted

 

[Kachon123]

Not according to the panel you posted

Also, his Imperial Flame Bullets scale below his normal AP. They're kinda garbage

 

[Eseseso]

It should be pretty blatant she stomps. Dunno why their match is even on the profiles.

It's not a stomp, even KT stated that Sanji has win-cons:

"Sanji has far superior maneuverability because he can fly, better Kenbunshoku and still can combo her, and "regen" decent enough to heal against things like fractured or broken bones."

Damage also said that Sanji has speed and regen, but still said Yamato won.

Not according to the panel you posted

Marco's flames and excellent defenses negate flame bullets.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

It's not a stomp, even KT states Sanji has win-cons like regen, speed, better Kenbun.

Marco's flames and excellent defenses negate flame bullets.

Regen yeah but she can still freeze him or just beat his ass until he's a pile of mush.
The latter 2 won't close the speed gap really.
Agree with the Marco part though.

 

[Sus]

again, why isnt it possible that king can also get stronger mid fight? there's many instances where king regains the upper hand, such as how at first his zoan dive got blocked by bosu zoro, but then overpowered him again

 

[Sus]

there's also zoro blocking kings bosu + flames then clashing with just bosu

 

[Eseseso]

there's also zoro blocking kings bosu + flames then clashing with just bosu

Buso King was being overpowered during the panel where Zoro taunts him for being scared of King of Hell's attacks.

Buso + Flame King actually matched Buso Zoro, but was sent flying back by a burst of Hao Infusion.