One Piece General Discussion: Elbaph

[Sus]

why does it double his bosu then

 

[Damage3245]

why does it double his bosu then

It probably shouldn't.

 

[Sus]

as long as the multiplier is valid its a headcanon to say it doesnt work on haoshoku

 

[Damage3245]

as long as the multiplier is valid its a headcanon to say it doesnt work on haoshoku

Or the multiplier just isn't valid the way you think it is.

 

[Sus]

and why is your way more valid?

 

[Damage3245]

and why is your way more valid?

How do you think Bazooka works exactly?

 

[Sus]

2 hits at the exact place and time, doubling the power of it

 

[Damage3245]

2 hits at the exact place and time, doubling the power of it

Sure, for a normal attack that makes sense since the power of the hit is coming entirely from Luffy's arms. But why would using two arms at once double the amount of Haki he has?

 

[Sus]

it doesnt double the haki more like it combines the power from the 2 hits

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

nah this funny af

 

[Eseseso]

nah this funny af

And people still don't accept that Buso Rooftop Zoro is comparable to Kid for blocking it when Kidd was kinda just like "Guess I'll die".

 

[Sus]

my only complaint is that we cant scale zoro to kidd as long as he scales to big mom because even a stronger zoro was still below her

 

[SlendVeny]

Why did I just get back here and find 57 notifications? I have been gone for less than 3 hours.

 

[Sus]

there hasnt even been 57 posts yet

 

[SlendVeny]

there hasnt even been 57 posts yet

It was mostly my posts getting liked.

 

[Sus]

you got a huge fan i guess

 

[Eseseso]

Why did I just get back here and find 57 notifications? I have been gone for less than 3 hours.

Wow, most I ever got was 21 notifications (mostly likes with like 1/3 of them being replies) and I nearly got a heart attack.

my only complaint is that we cant scale zoro to kidd as long as he scales to big mom because even a stronger zoro was still below her

He should at least scale to Base Kidd's AP since he could temporarily block the Hakai while Kidd couldn't do jack.

 

[Sus]

He should at least scale to Base Kidd's AP since he could temporarily block the Hakai while Kidd couldn't do jack.

the profiles scale base kidd to cognac big mom, while i disagree because the hit was intended for nami and ussop, you have to remove it from the profiles for zoro to be able to scale

but if cognac scaling is removed where would base kidd scale anyway

 

[Sus]

the anime has multiple scenes of kidd and law being weaker than big mom in ap

prometheus overpowers a punk gibson
hera completely stops injection shot
napoleon clashing with law and kidd with them being pressured while big mom is smiling

i know we rarely consider the anime but its oddly consistent

 

[Eseseso]

the profiles scale base kidd to cognac big mom, while i disagree because the hit was intended for nami and ussop, you have to remove it from the profiles for zoro to be able to scale

but if cognac scaling is removed where would base kidd scale anyway

I mean, Zoro effortlessly blocked a Kaifu from Kaido which is above his normal Zoan AP, so him scaling to Base Kidd isn't an issue.

And IMO the cognac feat is fine since BM was angry and a tad out of control.

As for Base Kidd, he fought 3-Homie BM off-screen and was absolutely fine when Law showed up.

 

[Sus]

I mean, Zoro effortlessly blocked a Kaifu from Kaido which is above his normal Zoan AP, so him scaling to Base Kidd isn't an issue.

And IMO the cognac feat is fine since BM was angry and a tad out of control.

As for Base Kidd, he fought 3-Homie BM off-screen and was absolutely fine when Law showed up.

i know that he fought bm offscreen but the only time we see him clashing with her is the cognac scene

anyway, i dont really mind scaling zoro to kidd but he shouldnt scale to big mom considering his stronger self was still weaker

 

[Eseseso]

anyway, i dont really mind scaling zoro to kidd but he shouldnt scale to big mom considering his stronger self was still weaker

He was weaker, but still capable of holding his own.

No one is saying Law and Kidd are equal to the Yonko, but they were both capable of consistently keeping up with, hurting, and taking a fuckton of hits from BM.

If Big Mom is a 100, Law and Kidd are each like an 80.

But if BM wasn't stronger than them, they wouldn't have resorted to BFR to beat her.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Her Base only has 2 feats:

Clashing with Hybrid Kaido at the start of their fight, and blocking a Hybrid Kaido attack meant for Momo (and considering Momo had just hurt Zoan Kaido, I doubt Hybrid Kaido was pulling any punches).

Aramaki

 

[Sus]

He was weaker, but still capable of holding his own.

its not "holding his own" when you're directly scaling him to kidd who directly scales to 2 homies bm

No one is saying Law and Kidd are equal to the Yonko, but they were both capable of consistently keeping up with, hurting, and taking a fuckton of hits from BM.

im talking about strictly ap

Aramaki

haoshoku

 

[DaMonkeMan]

haoshoku

So?

 

[Sus]

So?

we're talking just base- nvm eseseso counted the kaido clash

yeah aramaki

 

[Eseseso]

its not "holding his own" when you're directly scaling him to kidd who directly scales to 2 homies bm

I was saying that Kidd is weaker than Big Mom but can hold his own for sure.

So Buso Rooftop Zoro scaling to him is fine.

haoshoku

So?

Base Yamato's normal AP only has blocking Kaido's strike meant for Momo, as with Aramaki she used Infusion.

 

[Sus]

whats a better feat giving an admiral a headache or drawing 2 drops of blood from kaido?

 

[Eseseso]

.

 

[Sus]

I was saying that Kidd is weaker than Big Mom but can hold his own for sure.

you just said that him blocking cognac is a valid feat? and he wasnt struggling to do it

the only way i see zoro scaling is with kidd having lower ap than bm

she was also so strong that, before she even used Haki or Zoan forms, Kaido immediately went Hybrid, showing how strong her base was.

kaido knows about his haki and df so not really

 

[Eseseso]

you just said that him blocking cognac is a valid feat? and he wasnt struggling to do it

the only way i see zoro scaling is with kidd having lower ap than bm

Their AP is relative to the yonko, like how Marco clashed equally with Big Mom

kaido knows about his haki and df so not really

He did this even before she used her own Haki and df, and he's usually reserved about his Hybrid form.

There's also the DF scaling we currently use for Base Yamato.

 

[Sus]

Their AP is relative to the yonko, like how Marco clashed equally with Big Mom

marco's fire negated prometheus so at best, marco scales to no homies big mom, who is below base kaido
so king scaling doesnt break anything

He did this even before she used her own Haki and df, and he's usually reserved about his Hybrid form.

kaido knows yamato has these tho he didnt go hybrid purely because of yamatos base power

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

marco's fire negated prometheus so at best, marco scales to no homies big mom, who is below base kaido
so king scaling doesnt break anything

kaido knows yamato has these tho he didnt go hybrid purely because of yamatos base power

sussus amogus

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

@Fireld pointed out that the first clash with Kaido in 1016 probably was with her using Hao, but pointed out that even in base she was implied to be above Dragon Momo and she was also so strong that, before she even used Haki or Zoan forms, Kaido immediately went Hybrid, showing how strong her base was.

and people say zoro is stronger than her

 

[Fireld]

He is

 

[Sus]

He is

and people say zoro is stronger than her

yamato kinda ***** on zoro ngl

 

[Eseseso]

Zoro isn't as strong as her (without Asura or KoH, that is), but he won for other reasons. Ngl, I admittedly question the fight results myself if only because Yamato's Hybrid durability is ******* absurd.

marco's fire negated prometheus so at best, marco scales to no homies big mom, who is below base kaido
so king scaling doesnt break anything

kaido knows yamato has these tho he didnt go hybrid purely because of yamatos base power

If the yonko are each overall a 100, Buso Zoro, Base Kidd, and similar people are all in the range between a 70 and a 90.

 

[Sus]

Zoro isn't as strong as her (without Asura or KoH, that is), but he won for other reasons. Ngl, I admittedly question the fight results myself if only because Yamato's Hybrid durability is ******* absurd.

what reasons? yamato can dodge koh but ashura does pose a threat but its zoros last resort

If the yonko are each overall a 100, Buso Zoro, Base Kidd, and similar people are all in the range between a 70 and a 90.

these are baseless numbers
if we scale zoro to kidd you'd have goofy scaling chains like
base kaido > king > pre medicine zoro ~ kidd ~ cognac big mom > base kaido

 

[DaMonkeMan]

whats a better feat giving an admiral a headache or drawing 2 drops of blood from kaido?

Slamming Kaidou into the ground.
Though when she gave Aramaki a headache she also slammed him despite being in base form unlike her fight with Kaidou which was in Hybrid.

 

[Sus]

i might actually agree with base yamato > base kaido ngl