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It's not, it just seemed reasonable that Zoro wouldn't be super far beneath Luffy.
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One Piece General Discussion: Elbaph
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Like there's supposed fluctuating power gaps here and there, yet they both still perform pretty well overall even when one has a power gap over the other.
Like Kaido fighting Gear 2nd and 3nd equally well (in terms of power, not speed) or Luffy facing Shuron Hakke Kaido relatively well like with normal Kaido.
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I mean, I was not comparing him to like, the Bajrang Gun or something, I'm just saying like, a regular punch from G5 didn't seem that much stronger than Zoro's full power.
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Personally I am of the mindset that outside of finishing moves (like OverKong Gun and Bajrang Gun), Luffy ain't one shotting his boy's Zoro and Sanji at full power (but he would **** them up with CoC coating and gears combined). He still beats them definitely, just not casual one shots. But this isn't based on facts, just personal beliefs.
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Oh, he's way stronger with Haki on, yeah.
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Why?
DaMonkeMan
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Yeah but I wouldn't see him matching or coming close to stuff like Bajrang Gun.
For now.
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Oh, I agree
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Because that would be stupid.
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How is Luffy, the Sun God, the man Roger was wating for, the man who defeated the Strongest Creature, the man with 3 advanced typed of Haki, the Yonko, and the future pirate king being far off from Pinzoro's grandson stupid?
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Also, by your logic...
"How is Zoro, the heir to three of the world's greatest swords, the ultimate user of the Santoryu, the man who fought his way through the new world without a Devil Fruit, the fabled Pirate Hunter, that much weaker than Ace's baby brother?"
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What lol?
The only user*
Sanji, Jinbe, Franky, Killer (until recently).
...LOL
Because he went extreme diff with King.
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Obviously it wasn't meant to be taken at face value, hence the quotation marks. I'm saying just writing "he's the sun god" or whatever doesn't mean anything, unless you wanna put Sengoku up top as well.
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But it does, that's the thing.
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I mean, that's like me just saying "Oh, he's the King of Hell," or "Oh, he's the Buddha."
You wanna go down that route, put the God Usopp bit into canon scaling.
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It's literally not lmfao.
Reread the entirety of the climax of the Onigashima, specifically chapters 1040 to 1044 and tell me with a straight face that calling Luffy the Sun God is no different than calling Zoro the King of Hell.
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What about Sengoku though? He's literally the Buddha, should that put him above everyone else? Even Enel was essentially Raijin.
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No, he was an overconfident asshole with a God complex that happened to have the Lightning Logia in an area where no one had Buso or was made of rubber.
He was also the Fleet Admiral and has portrayal that puts him on the level/around the level of characters such as Roger, Garp, and Primebeard. Horrible example.
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Nah, he was technically a god in any aspect where you could describe Luffy as such, unless it depends on whether Who's-Who said you were a god. Being called a god doesn't make you inherently stronger.
I could swear he currently only scaled from Marineford Blackbeard and Akainu.
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Shoulda used the fact that he's a descendant of Ryuma.
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Ah, you're right!! I could've put him as having possessed 4 legendary swords too, because of Shusui! And he has the title of being the inventor of all his styles.
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Anyway titles don't matter when discussing power level.
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What the hell are you talking about. Being a self-proclaimed God, forcing everyone around you to call you God ≠ Being the return of Joyboy and the wielder of the Nika fruit.
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Crazy. I would've thought "God" Usopp, and Shanks' legendary rival Buggy were among the strongest characters.
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Is Zeff not far off from Luffy because he created the Black Leg Style?
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Dictionary definition of god. 2nd one.
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Why do titles matter in powerscaling..
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If you can give him a small paragraph of titles, apparently he does.
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So every Logia user is a God, I see.
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It really shouldn't unless the title is directly tied to power.
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"a superhuman being or spirit worshiped as having power over nature or human fortunes; a deity."
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Yeah, like, if I was called "literally the best ever at playing chess or something", that's different from being called "A godlike player of chess or something."
The second could mean I was especially good, yes, but it could also imply an air of regality or other similarity.
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This conversation is frying my brain.
Luffy's got all those titles but Kaidou ( who's only declared as the World's Strongest Creature ) was boxing with him.
Titles don't mean shit.
Luffy's got all those titles but Kaidou ( who's only declared as the World's Strongest Creature ) was boxing with him.
Titles don't mean shit.
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Like, if a character was similar to a god that was known for bringing freedom, that could just mean they were heavily opposed to tyranny.
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Idk, Kaidou is also known by the title of "the guy who would have instantly melted Luffy if Luffy didn't have range boosts"
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No, that's not at all why they'd compare them to a god.
There's a lot of people who hate manipulative tyrants, but you don't see people calling them a god and worshipping them.
They do that because they have power and influence to back their ideals.
Don't care lol
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When I say "opposed," I mean as in the "two things trying to kill each other really hard" opposed.
I'm agreeing with you here, I'm just memeing.
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I think it says here that zoro is the second strongest
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Zoro can be second strongest and not close to Luffy in power.
Arbitrary numbers, but if Luffy was a hypothetical 1000, and Zoro was 100 and the rest of the crew below 100, he'd still be the second strongest without being close to Luffy.
