One Piece General Discussion: Elbaph

[KingTempest]

Him being made of flames doesn't mean much when he's pretty much able to get harmed by Akainu flames or not. We even give Akainu NPI against flames for being able to make contact with them.

He clashed with him and matched the punch, but then the magma consumed the flames and burned him, which even though it hurt, he relatively shook it off. We can see that in the clash, he flat out punched the fist of magma.
Also, he isn't really made of flames. He just turns into them, but his regular body, which was wounded, isn't.

Akainu one shotting him isn't a feat. Akainu has dura neg for being able to easily melt through his victims, plus the fact that Ace was body blocking. He was pretty blatantly blocking with his back, leaving him vulnerable for a punch to the chest (which burned his insides).

 

[ZoroNotZolo]

He went from Portgas D. Ace to Kris P. Kreme.

 

[ByAsura]

Yes, but his flames are the thing that's getting harmed because they're his body at the time. NPI =/= Power Nullification.

How does this change my point? He got hit in the arm by a small part of the magma after they clashed, so he outright couldn't have taken the brunt.

I know. Was Ace not flames when Akainu punched him?

Akainu having durability negation is perfect reason for Ace not to scale to this at all. Do his abilities have some selective bypassing that I don't know about?

 

[KingTempest]

It also doesn't mean it scales to him when he's not switching to flames. NPI =/= Power Nullification.

It does in this case, because when his regular body has wounds, it means that Ace was harmed in his physical body.

How does this change my point? He got hit in the arm by a small part of the magma after they clashed, so he outright couldn't have taken the brunt.

He took the core of the force. This isn't the small part of the magma, it's the center of it, and it exploded

I know. Was Ace not switching to flames when Akainu punched him?

For a short moment when he was generating the flames, then he changed into a regular punch coated in fire.

Akainu having durability negation is perfect reason for Ace not to scale to this at all.

Not really. His dura neg is a portion that is applied to certain people when he melts through their bodies, something that didn't happen to Ace in this scenario. If anything, it supports it.

Do his abilities have some selective bypassing that I don't know about?

Yes.
When a Logia user has their physical bodies damaged, it means that whatever harmed them ignored their logia bodies OR hurt their physical bodies through their logia bodies.

You're taking this as "flame dura ≠ physical dura" or something when that isn't the case. It's the same body and same durability, just turned into a different element for the time being.

 

[ByAsura]

Fine, then. I'll take your word for it.

 

[KingTempest]

Better example is like Luffy punching Enel's lightning Amaru body and drawing blood even while he's lightning.

 

[ByAsura]

I know that kind of stuff happens, but I always assumed it was more similar to being able to harm both forms at once.

Your explanation does make more sense.

 

[Tetsucabrah]

I want Carrot to join but I would be absolutely against her fighting Perospero AGAIN.
I'm tired of Perospero in general.

Let some of Big Mom's other kids shine, Smoothie still hasn't done jackshit.

 

[Tetsucabrah]

There's also Snack who hasn't even gotten a full face reveal (in the manga at least)
There's Compote who Vito said was a monster like Daifuku and Oven.
There's Charlotte Amande who deserves screentime because she's hot

 

[Ebitan34]

Does Kinemon scale to 6-B durability for not getting KO'ed by Kaido's ACoC attack?

 

[Stefano4444]

Does Kinemon scale to 6-B durability for not getting KO'ed by Kaido's ACoC attack?

Unlikely.

 

[Eseseso]

Oda seems to really hate the female side of the Charlotte Family.

1. All the above stuff about BM (not to mention making her a joke during the Raid BEFORE the actual fighting)

2. Giving Smoothie zero feats/moments of value despite her being in 2 arcs, which neither of the other Sweet Commanders were in.

3. Compote being the only "monster" without stated powers or any cool feats.


Just like the Dressrosa arc, he pushed all the women to the side (well, except BM that is, but she's a goddamn Yonko so that wouldn't have really been possible).

 

[KingTempest]

Oda seems to really hate the female side of the Charlotte Family.

1. All the above stuff about BM (not to mention making her a joke during the Raid BEFORE the actual fighting)

Do you mean before the god tier fighting? Cause she was badass prior to the actual fighting.

2. Giving Smoothie zero feats/moments of value despite her being in 2 arcs, which neither of the other Sweet Commanders were in.

She was in 2 arcs. 1 as a main villain who scared the shit out of brook and ran her fleet. Another as a side quest villain who was in the water for an entire arc.

3. Compote being the only "monster" without stated powers or any cool feats.

This doesn't mean anything. It means he hasn't explored her yet.
You want him to explain all 39 daughters or something?

Just like the Dressrosa arc, he pushed all the women to the side (well, except BM that is, but she's a goddamn Yonko so that wouldn't have really been possible).

Sugar was a main villain
Baby 5 was important as hell
Monet was a main villain
Viola was a main character

There was 1 non important woman and it was Giolla.

Yall just be talking

 

[SnookB]

You are literally invested in only one piece in this wiki and not in any other verse.

In all fairness- I read MHA, adore Mashle and OPM- but I only come here to talk about One Piece tbfh.
Idk why, but the discussions about it are just more fun than the others

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Do you mean before the god tier fighting? Cause she was badass prior to the actual fighting.

She was in 2 arcs. 1 as a main villain who scared the shit out of brook and ran her fleet. Another as a side quest villain who was in the water for an entire arc.

This doesn't mean anything. It means he hasn't explored her yet.
You want him to explain all 39 daughters or something?

Sugar was a main villain
Baby 5 was important as hell
Monet was a main villain
Viola was a main character

There was 1 non important woman and it was Giolla.

Yall just be talking

TRUTH

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

In all fairness- I read MHA, adore Mashle and OPM- but I only come here to talk about One Piece tbfh.
Idk why, but the discussions about it are just more fun than the others

Saitama and Luffy idk why but there is something soo similar about them…

 

[SnookB]

Saitama and Luffy idk why but there is something soo similar about them…

They resolve their issues with fist

 

[14405User]

So basically Haki power can touch someone's real body(Logia element, Or Moci Katakuri's body) so what is the name of this power?

 

[Kachon123]

Saitama and Luffy idk why but there is something soo similar about them…

How?

 

[Stefano4444]

So basically Haki power can touch someone's real body(Logia element, Or Moci Katakuri's body) so what is the name of this power?

Armament Haki, with the type of Haki which allow the user to directly interact with the true body of a Logia user.

 

[Eseseso]

They resolve their issues with fist

Lol imagine a One Piece x Fist of the North Star crossover

 

[SnookB]

Lol imagine a One Piece x Fist of the North Star crossover

Rokushiki users would fit right in

 

[14405User]

Armament Haki, with the type of Haki which allow the user to directly interact with the true body of a Logia user.

i mean the name of that power if in vsb?

 

[Magmag]

This is a top tier npc level comment by me but i got a strong feeling we're gonna see an og character surprise appearance, someone we haven't seen in a long time.

 

[Stefano4444]

i mean the name of that power if in vsb?

Non-Physical Interaction.

 

[SnookB]

i mean the name of that power if in vsb?

Elemental intangibility negation?

 

[Kachon123]

Pandaman survived!

 

[14405User]

Chopper in monster point form hurt Queen

 

[Eseseso]

Chopper in monster point form hurt Queen

And then Queen just toyed with him and Chopper couldn't damage him after that by his own admission, contrary to what a certain OP mod thinks.

 

[Kachon123]

Chopper in monster point form hurt Queen

No he didn't

 

[Marlinmarley]

In all fairness- I read MHA, adore Mashle and OPM- but I only come here to talk about One Piece tbfh.
Idk why, but the discussions about it are just more fun than the others

Hey snook, unrelated, but i did a quick calc of the eruption and i got 590 teratons, prob inaccurate as i just wanted to see where it would clock and weren't really trying to find the exact yield, but the amount of energy luffy would need to generate to overpower kaido and still have strength to send him to the bottoms of hell and then ignate the eruption i have no idea

 

[The_man_with_the_Midas_touch]

Does anyone have a link to where it was stated that Female and Male Officer Agents within Baroque Work are similar in strength?

 

[ByAsura]

Is there a way to calculate earthquake magnitude by depth of the water and tsunami height at a certain distance?

 

[KobsterHope07]

Does anyone have a link to where it was stated that Female and Male Officer Agents within Baroque Work are similar in strength?

Chapter 155

 

[WrongIdea21]

Hey snook, unrelated, but i did a quick calc of the eruption and i got 590 teratons, prob inaccurate as i just wanted to see where it would clock and weren't really trying to find the exact yield, but the amount of energy luffy would need to generate to overpower kaido and still have strength to send him to the bottoms of hell and then ignate the eruption i have no idea

How much volume did you got?

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Is there a way to calculate earthquake magnitude by depth of the water and tsunami height at a certain distance?

You the admin calcer but otherwise tempest might know

 

[Kachon123]

 

[Marlinmarley]

How much volume did you got?

I just used some basic eruption calc, like the monsterverse rodan one, using kingtempest new onigashima dimensions to measure the width and length of the plume + law/luffy hole distance and i got that high end result

 

[Kachon123]

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]