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One Piece General Discussion: Elbaph
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sorry, meant 6-B
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Basically four full power scabbards did a combined Togen Totsuka that harmed Kaido to a noticeable extent, that was sort of similar to Oden's Togen Totsuka (but still weaker since they didn't scar him). So they're technically <1/4 of Zoan Kaido's dura.
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yall saying 1/4th off of their strongest move
they were hurting kaidou with everything they had
they just backscale to baseline of the tier
they were hurting kaidou with everything they had
they just backscale to baseline of the tier
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She turn herself into a stone
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She will awaken
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We need more one piece profiles
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1/4 with Togen Totsuka Right? is this rating specific to this one attack? anyways perospero was defeated not by this attack and also by Neko who was already injured and exhausted.
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Because the same Sanji BM damaged was the same one that fought Queen afterwards up until his power-up.
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Yeah but Sanji was actively going soft on her. He even said that his haki was going soft. BM damaging Sanji was more or less his weakness letting her, rather than it being an actual fight and Sanji bracing for it, you know?
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Hate to tell you but this was pre awakening sanji when he got hit by black Maria
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Base Pre Awakening Sanji was still able to harm Base Queen, who scales above G3 Luffy, who scales above Base Luffy, who downscales from Base Kaido Thunder Bagua
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idk man for me i see sanji got much stronger when he awakened (even stronger than his RS) but IMHO the soon we got to Onigashima the power scaling got fuked and everyone got stronger but yeah i have my own power scaling
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I feel like something is wrong with our scaling if we're seriously considering boosting Black Maria to that level....
Like, Nico Robin took hit's from and defeated Black Maria, we scaling her to 6-B to?
Like, Nico Robin took hit's from and defeated Black Maria, we scaling her to 6-B to?
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Welcome to new One Piece.
Everyone is Country level.
The fodder members of the Hearts Pirates and Kid Pirates survived Big Mom's attacks too, so I guess they'll be 6-B as well.
Personally, I know that lots of characters are going to be upgraded. Some will just have to be. But the tier disparity between characters is going to get absurdly high in some cases. I can already foresee lots of bizarre ratings and massively long scaling chains coming out of this discussion.
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Yeaaah- the scaling chains are gonna be wild for sure. A lot of characters are getting upgraded due to the new god tier scaling thanks to the wano roof and everything below the roof as well.
So long as it's accurate I guess. "Surviving" an attack and taking an attack and continuing to fight are two different things. (Luffy "survived" a magma fist from Akainu, so would we scale him to 6B pre ts? I don't think so. The entire straw hat crew "survived" the ursus shock from Kuma, and I doubt Nami, Usopp and Robin pre-ts are scaling to his AP)
Sanji was LITERALLY AFRAID FOR HER TO HURT HER HAND ON HIM
He was actively subconsciously (if not consciously) lowering his own defenses for her not to hurt herself hitting him. Black Maria does not scale to Sanji or Queen. That's just weird to say entirely. Even Black Maria didn't recognize herself as competition for the all stars and was petitioning Drake instead.
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Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm---
BASE SANJI doesn't scale to post-Udon G3. Post Udon G-3 dislocated and damn near one shotted Zoan form PageOne. The same Pageone that took hits from raid suit Sanji, who scales over DJ Sanji.
Only post-awakening Sanji upscales from Queen.
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Yeah this is pretty annoying. I used to think you understated everything cause you just felt like it or just to hate, but I guess somebody gotta balance out the devoted fanboys that can’t control their fanboyism and blindly exaggerate every aspect they can to make their fav series as strong as possible to the point where it clearly makes zero sense.
it’s fine if the series is not multiversal guys, sometimes it reminds me of those 12 year old Dragon ball fans that say “but Goku solos” to any argument cause they think that adds to the quality of the story.
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Say that to base Sanji, which can block attacks from Zoan Queen, and kick out blood from Base Queen.
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Don't say that here...
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Queen, who was instead not trying to even kill him and was coaxing him to take out the raid suit. Even when he had him in that coil Queen was just taunting him instead of trying to inflict harm until the rockets accidentally forced Queen to constrict and break Sanji's body like a twig pre-awakening.
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His feat of blocking Queen's "Frying Pan," attack. It was clealy meant to harm Sanji, and yet, he was able to block it, albeit with difficulty.
Sanji is base was able to kick Hybrid Queen far away, and made him spit out blood.
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It's like every time I open up a OP thread people are pissing about upgrades
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Sanji was saying "he's so heavy" while trying to block, got hit and was sent flying and literally said "Something's wrong with my body" right after. His germa-cells activation was already kicking off by then.
When I say pre-germa I mean from raid start until he started noticing his body's strange. 1028 is when the germa cells were awakened anyway.
Sanji used a diable jambe collier strike on distracted Queen's face and all Queen's issues came from his own laser blowing up in his mouth.
Rotisserie strike didn't make Queen bleed either. A smushed cheek isn't "damage" and Queen was off guard there as well.
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And this is a surprise to you how?
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Never said it was surprising, which is why I said every time, it's just ridiculously annoying
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Heavy is the head that wears the mod crown, I guess.
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It's heavy cause like 5% of the verse is looking to make the profiles more accurate while everyone else is worried about their favorite characters getting their current AP ratings multiplied by 50,000
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I'll complain about something else:
Oda is writing the World Government to be ridiculously incompetent (even moreso than their previous levels of incompetence) with their treatement of Kuma. Presumably they've handed him over to the World Nobles as a slave because Kuma went rogue for two years and the Nobles are punishing him - but Kuma is one of the most broken characters in the series and is being kept from his full potential for exactly this plot point.
Kuma should be out there rounding up pirates and knocking away people into the ocean - but I feel like Oda isn't ever going to address again just how insanely powerful Kuma is. It's 100% PIS for him to be treated like this for the sake of not breaking the story with his power.
Oda is writing the World Government to be ridiculously incompetent (even moreso than their previous levels of incompetence) with their treatement of Kuma. Presumably they've handed him over to the World Nobles as a slave because Kuma went rogue for two years and the Nobles are punishing him - but Kuma is one of the most broken characters in the series and is being kept from his full potential for exactly this plot point.
Kuma should be out there rounding up pirates and knocking away people into the ocean - but I feel like Oda isn't ever going to address again just how insanely powerful Kuma is. It's 100% PIS for him to be treated like this for the sake of not breaking the story with his power.
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Wouldn't say the World Government is incompetent and that it's PIS.
It's that the Five Elders are ridiculously incompetent in the grand scheme of things and they care about other things than pirates.
Remember a bunch of level 6 villains got released in impel down and they just didn't give a damn.
All they care about is their void century enemies. They don't care about the pirates or anything.
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I mean it is a battle shonen- eventually a topic will surely switch to "who's stronger than who"
I'd assumed after he became robotic/lost his sense of self, he became unable to use the techniques he would otherwise be able to when he's a human. The World govt is insanely dumb though- A lot of the choices they make just seem to be "what could go wrong" and it goes wrong right after
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I don't have an issue about "who's stronger than who".
I have an issue with "I'm only here to make A stronger than B"
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Now that I thought about it, I think I might have an idea on what the SSG is
Zoan infused Pacifistas.
1: Pacifistas ARE powerful but have no consciousness
2: Zoans have a consciousness of their own
3: Pacifistas are technically "objects" since they don't own a soul
Now imagine a sentient pacifista that can become a fully conscious zoan AND can fire kizaru lasers to boot? That sounds like one helluva army to me. It could be why Vegapunk: Learned how to infuse DF into non-sentient things
Why he's choosing ZOANS for their consciousness aspect
Zoan infused Pacifistas.
1: Pacifistas ARE powerful but have no consciousness
2: Zoans have a consciousness of their own
3: Pacifistas are technically "objects" since they don't own a soul
Now imagine a sentient pacifista that can become a fully conscious zoan AND can fire kizaru lasers to boot? That sounds like one helluva army to me. It could be why Vegapunk: Learned how to infuse DF into non-sentient things
Why he's choosing ZOANS for their consciousness aspect
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SSG might involve Lunarian and Dragon genes too
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That I agree with. The "Please make this character this strong because I like'em" attitude just doesn't feel right to me-
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That sounds so annoying to deal with- super-robots with Zoan endurance, lunarian durability and dragon enhanced defenses.. Jeebuz-
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Personally I like me theory I had a while ago that the SSG had developed a special Pacifista modelled on each of the previous Warlords. A Crocodile-Pacifista, a Mihawk-Pacifista, etc.
But I like the idea of Zoan Pacifistas too.
But I like the idea of Zoan Pacifistas too.
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Reminds me of that one time the Cypher pol agent took his mask skin off when threatening morgans.
They get the skin burned/injured off and it's just half-crocodile half terminator
