One Piece General Discussion: Elbaph

[PHANtomFELdway]

I just came to think of that the likely regenerating narcissistic power-mad amoral mass-murdering tyrant of the One Piece world, Imu, almost shares a name with Rimuru, who also seems to be a power-tripping mass-murdering narcissistic amoral regenerating tyrant, and may be the most prominent and popular current case of a fictional Japanese character actively encouraging and idealising such character traits and ideals to its readers, whereas One Piece is prominently a story about freedom, joy, compassion, friendship, solidarity, bravery, cooperation, and revolution against tyranny.

Do you think that this may be deliberate from Oda?

RIMURU? Power tripping? Narcissistic? Tyrant? Blud has been getting his information from falmuth

 

[That_moron2]

What the heck

 

[RoronoaxRobin]

I'm so confused. What the hell has been going on in here since the last page?

 

[Ped2018]

Nothing could more disappointing than clicking in the One Piece thread and seeing comments from Naruto supporters in ithttps://cdn.**********.com/attachments/1112893577257832572/1325301176798810112/bgf8f8f8-flat750x075f-pad750x1000f8f8f8.jpg?ex=680a5527&is=680903a7&hm=f896c8fec09545d65d8a728d4920c587fbdbb1bae2fdbcce828dda4e595b099a&

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Whenever I watched the slime anime I didn’t fully have a problem with rimuru until he just started mass murdering for power and showing absolute no mercy at all to get the title dark lord (even tho he basically showed mercy to the one leading the soldiers, which seemed weird)

Just got disappointed and disconnected with the show after that… tho I still wasn’t a huge fan of the show to begin with, just liked how the abilities and powers worked, and also the creation of an empire.

 

[Antvasima]

Whenever I watched the slime anime I didn’t fully have a problem with rimuru until he just started mass murdering for power and showing absolute no mercy at all to get the title dark lord (even tho he basically showed mercy to the one leading the soldiers, which seemed weird)

Just got disappointed and disconnected with the show after that… tho I still wasn’t a huge fan of the show to begin with, just liked how the abilities and powers worked, and also the creation of an empire.

Hmm. If that is an accurate description, I obviously have a major problem with casually mass-murdering power-mad tyrants, who casually ally with and recruit satanically evil villains, no matter how much an author might try to idealise and justify it.

 

[CodeCCLL]

even tho he basically showed mercy to the one leading the soldiers, which seemed weird

Actually, it's not what you think.

recruit satanically evil villains

Rimuru says that if they get out of control, he will stop them.

Anyways, this is One Piece General Discussion so this topic should end here.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay then.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Actually, it's not what you think.

I don’t fully remember the reason but he definitely showed way more mercy if I remember correctly

This is basically the scene I was referring to


Rimuru isn't really anything like Imu tho... Just lacks empathy and such, Rimuru is instead more like Big Mom but I guess just less weird and cares more about their own citizens

 

[CodeCCLL]

I don’t fully remember the reason but he definitely showed way more mercy if I remember correctly

He simply left the revenge to Shion (one of those who died in the attack and was later resurrected by Rimuru).

 

[Antvasima]

Well, if Rimuru regularly let satanically evil villains who have butchered and eaten the souls of enormous amounts of innocent people run free unpunished to handle his dirty work, to outwardly seem like his own hands are clean, that would logically make him ridiculously evil as well, and if his author agrees with and systematically idealises and glorifies that kind of behaviour, he doesn't seem much morally better.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Well, if he regularly let satanically evil villains who have butchered and eaten the souls of enormous amounts of innocent people run free unpunished to handle his dirty work, to outwardly seem like his own hands are clean, that would logically make him extremely evil as well.

I don’t fully remember the reason but he definitely showed way more mercy if I remember correctly

This is basically the scene I was referring to


Rimuru isn't really anything like Imu tho... Just lacks empathy and such, Rimuru is instead more like Big Mom but I guess just less weird and cares more about their own citizens

It was by no means unpunched, the anime heavily censored what truly happened.

Shion tortured the 3 high ranking officers, killing all other eneimy soldier, but the 3 highest (The king, the church repesentive, and the magic user) They were tortured and mentally broken before releasing them, so they could replace the king of the Kingdom that attacked them, with a new king without having to cause any major icident's (Like a civil war) and loss of civilain¨s life, while also making an example out of them. (The old king was extremely greedy, and he replaced it with a new king who cared about his people.) Remember, Rimuru's dream is to create a peaceful world without violence, where monsters and humans can live together.


Rimuru is ruthless against people who threaten those he cares about, but will never harm the innocent intentionally.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

It was by no means unpunched, the anime heavily censored what truly happened.

Shion tortured the 3 high ranking officers, killing all other eneimy soldier, but the 3 highest (The king, the church repesentive, and the magic user) They were tortured and mentally broken before releasing them, so they could replace the king of the Kingdom that attacked them, with a new king without having to cause any major icident's (Like a civil war) and loss of civilain¨s life, while also making an example out of them. (The old king was extremely greedy, and he replaced it with a new king who cared about his people.) Remember, Rimuru's dream is to create a peaceful world without violence, where monsters and humans can live together.


Rimuru is ruthless against people who threaten those he cares about, but will never harm the innocent intentionally.

This doesn't mean or goes against anything I said, what I said is still a fact... He still showed more mercy to the king but not the soldiers who were asking for forgiveness, all just for power and self benefit.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

This doesn't mean or goes against anything I said, what I said is still a fact... He still showed mercy to the king but not the soldiers who were asking for forgiveness, all just for power and self benefit.

I fail to see how that is "mercy to the king" in any way shape or form, I would argue that dying would be the mercy compared to what happened to the king, also he was spared so that the entire kingdom wouldn't self destruct, so preventing innocent lives being lost that way.

The entire idea is that he didn't show mercy to the soldier who begged for forgiveness after they attacked and killed the civilians without a care in the world is wild to me... He did give them mercy in a way, promising that their loved ones would be spared. Also, did you completely ignore that the reason why he could only revive his own people (That was invaded by a king's greed) by the cost of the invading force's soldiers' souls?

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

I fail to see how that is "mercy to the king" in any way shape or form, I would argue that dying would be the mercy compared to what happened to the king

he was willing to listen... The soldiers couldn't even speak for themselves.

also he was spared so that the entire kingdom wouldn't self destruct, so preventing innocent lives being lost that way.

That's showing mercy for self benefit of his own kingdom...

The entire idea is that he didn't show mercy to the soldier who begged for forgiveness after they attacked and killed the civilians without a care in the world.

Not all of them attacked, and most of them was ordered to... It doesn't deny that they still asked for forgiveness

He did give them mercy in a way, promising that their loved ones would be spared.

...

Also, did you completely ignore that the reason why he could only revive his own people (That was invaded by a king's greed) by the cost of the invading force's soldiers' souls?

No, I just don't care and don't remember. I'm not interested/invested in the show

I'm not going to argue about this with you, if you like the verse/show... You do you, for me it disappointed me and that's it.

 

[Antvasima]

I was referring to Rimuru seemingly casually allying with rather than exterminating satanically evil filth like this character. That seems like incredibly amoral double-standards.

Guy Crimson (Light Novel)

Guy Crimson「ギィ・クリムゾン Gī Kurimuzon｣, also known as Rouge「原初の赤ルージュ Rūju, lit. "Primordial of Red"｣ is known as the first of the Primordials and the first seat of the Octagram. He resides in the Ice Continent. Tier: At least 5-B Name: Guy Crimson, RougePrimordial Red, Lord of Darkness Origin...

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[Dark_Soul20189]

he was willing to listen... The soldiers couldn't even speak for themselves.

That's showing mercy for self benefit of his own kingdom...

Not all of them attacked, and most of them was ordered to... It doesn't deny that they still asked for forgiveness

...

No, I just don't care and don't remember. I'm not interested/invested in the show

What you are describing isn't "being a good person" or "being a bad person"; what you are describing is just being delusional with a "hero syndrome".

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

What you are describing isn't "being a good person" or "being a bad person"; what you are describing is just being delusional with a "hero syndrome".

definitely a bad person... Not only killing them and showing no mercy... But extracting their souls after death

That's 100% evil... The show itself knows its evil by calling the attack/technique, Merciless

 

[Antvasima]

I agree with MonkeyOfLife. This seems to be a show about ridiculously evil power-abusing power-fantasy Gary Stus masqueraded, glorified, and marketed as ideals to strive towards by an extremely amoral and sadistic author.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

I was referring to Rimuru seemingly casually allying with rather than exterminating satanically evil filth like this character. That seems like incredibly amoral double-standards.

Guy Crimson (Light Novel)

Guy Crimson「ギィ・クリムゾン Gī Kurimuzon｣, also known as Rouge「原初の赤ルージュ Rūju, lit. "Primordial of Red"｣ is known as the first of the Primordials and the first seat of the Octagram. He resides in the Ice Continent. Tier: At least 5-B Name: Guy Crimson, RougePrimordial Red, Lord of Darkness Origin...

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Rimuru is by no means good. What I am arguing for is that he is not evil in the sense you believe he is.

I would consider Rimuru to be "True Neutral." He will never start a war, but will always finish it, he will never treat someone badly, those who treat him good.

The main thing to know about Guy is that he is extremely strong, so much so that for the majority of the series RImuru considered him to be stronger than himself, not to mention they happened to have the same enemies, so while I wouldn't call them "allies" it only makes sense for them to be on the same side. As mentioned, Rimuru would never start anything, and since Guy has done nothing bad against Rimuru, they have a positive relationship.

It should also be noted that the Guy position in the world is to keep the world at "balance", and Guy Crimson is a Demon; he is by no means a saint, but I don't think calling him "satanically evil" is correct by any means.

 

[PHANtomFELdway]

I was referring to Rimuru seemingly casually allying with rather than exterminating satanically evil filth like this character. That seems like incredibly amoral double-standards.

Guy Crimson (Light Novel)

Guy Crimson「ギィ・クリムゾン Gī Kurimuzon｣, also known as Rouge「原初の赤ルージュ Rūju, lit. "Primordial of Red"｣ is known as the first of the Primordials and the first seat of the Octagram. He resides in the Ice Continent. Tier: At least 5-B Name: Guy Crimson, RougePrimordial Red, Lord of Darkness Origin...

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Has no choice regardless. Guy is the protector of the world anppointed by god and so are all demon lords. Thier job is to kill anyone that threatens the destruction of the world, rimuru and guy are teaming up due to invaders from other universes who are trying to destroy thier universe. I don’t see how this is relevant to his character

 

[Antvasima]

If Guy slaughtered and ate the souls of a million people, he is as bad as the worst people in real world human history, and "well-intentioned" tyrannical extremism is not an excuse for committing enormous war crimes against completely outmatched opponents.

If Rimuru and his author were serious about making the world a better place in general, not just gaining power to abuse for themselves, they would have made it their main priority to completely eradicate Guy and all similar characters from all forms of their existence, not strictly focus on comparatively helpless human soldiers, just because "the enemy's enemy is my friend".

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

I agree with MonkeyOfLife. This seems to be a show about ridiculously evil power-abusing power-fantasy Gary Stus masqueraded, glorified, and marketed as ideals to strive towards by an extremely amoral and sadistic author.

Honestly, @Antvasima, I would recommend at least reading the story before calling him "evil". As Monkey makes it clear he doesn't know anything about the verse, so his judgment can't be trusted.

It is clear you have a clouded judgment, and it is quite frankly nothing but insulting how many assumptions you make regarding this manor, while having practically zero knowledge about the subject at hand.

I will stop talking here, since I have a very hard time holding myself back and not lashing out, but I will say this. Please don't talk about subjects you don't know about, especially when those assumptions and statements are extremely negative and insulting.

 

[PHANtomFELdway]

definitely a bad person... Not only killing them and showing no mercy... But extracting their souls after death

You do know that monsters passively do that right?

That's 100% evil... The show itself knows its evil by calling the attack/technique, Merciless

Yes it is merciless as it shows no mercy to those who fought against him. Said skill was sacrificed regardless.

The whole reason he needed those souls was so he could evolve into a demon lord, which allows him to gain enough power to resurrect his loved ones. Go read chapter 65.5 of the manga, it was left out of the anime. It is pretty short and it gives a pretty good view. Not just him killing everyone just cause

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Idk the author's intent but the show just isn't for me and that's all.

Especially when the mc isn't someone you can relate or connect to... Idk how or why the guy (Rimuru's past life) is like completely forgotten basically. But it's the same for me with Jobless Reincarnation as well...

Luffy the best fr

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Idk the author's intent but the show just isn't for me and that's all.

No worries, everyone is free to like what they want. That is by no means a issue of any kind.

Especially when the mc isn't someone you can relate or connect to... Idk how or why the guy (Rimuru's past life) is like completely forgotten, but it's the same with Jobless Reincarnation...

Fair opinion, I can't talk much about jobless incarnation since I know nothing about that.

Luffy the best fr

Your personal opinion, my friend. I personally lack any favourite MC.

 

[Antvasima]

Luffy the best fr

Yup. Freedom, equality, compassion, and solidarity, instead of tyranny, egotism, power-tripping, and callous amorality.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Yup. Freedom, equality, compassion, and solidarity, instead of tyranny, egotism, and callous amorality.

Could you make it any clearer that you are comparing it to Rimuru?

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Your personal opinion, my friend. I personally lack any favourite MC.

I used to be the same ... Until I watched more and more one piece and realized how much Luffy become more than every other character that I like

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

I used to be the same ... Until I watched more and more one piece and realized how much Luffy become more than every other character that I like

Thats fair, he is a good MC. One Piece wouldn't be the same without him as the MC.

Like imagine One Piece from a different character's POV.

 

[Antvasima]

Could you make it any clearer that you are comparing it to Rimuru?

More like comparing it towards what I have understood of the ideals of the Slime verse narrative as a whole.

I think that it is rather blatant that I consider the kind of authors who actively insidiously and manipulatively glorify and idealise satanically monstrously callous, amoral, and egotistical ideals to millions of people as evil filth who collectively cause enormous amounts of harm to this world by eroding humanity's fundamental capacity for genuine compassion, empathy, conscience, solidarity, and ethics.

I even wrote a quite long and extremely indepth story myself about this subject matter long ago, while I was still figuring out, processing, and organising all of my impressions.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

More like comparing it towards what I have understood of the ideals of the Slime verse narrative as a whole.

I can tell you this: you didn't understand it at all.

I think that it is rather blatant that I consider the kind of authors who actively insidiously and manipulatively glorify and idealise satanically monstrous ideals to millions of people as evil filth who collectively cause enormous amounts of harm to this world by eroding humanity's fundamental capacity for genuine compassion, empathy, conscience, solidarity, and ethics.

When did this ever happen?

 

[Antvasima]

Well, after writing my story, and eventually figuring out what its pattern revealed, I became triggered about these tendencies in all forms of indoctrination, including but far from limited to supposed entertainment media. But yes, I may have misunderstood parts of the context regarding this particular verse, although even if that is the case, these tendencies still exist in many other narratives.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Well, after writing my story, and eventually figuring out what its pattern revealed, I became triggered about these tendencies in all forms of indoctrination, including but far from limited to supposed entertainment media. But yes, I may have misunderstood parts of the context regarding this particular verse, although even if that is the case, these tendencies still exist in many other narratives.

I fully understand, but I would recommend trying to keep them in check. It will only cause more potential issues in the future when acting with a limited understanding and knowledge of a verse.

 

[Antvasima]

Yes. Agreed. Thank you for your understanding. 🕊

 

[Stefano4444]

For **** sake guys, do you all really have to continue talk about this on a One Piece thread?!

Just on the Discussion Thread for That Time I Got Reincarnated as a Slime.

 

[Antvasima]

Yes. My apologies. I will stop now, and strongly recommend that all other people here do the same thing.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

The whole reason he needed those souls was so he could evolve into a demon lord, which allows him to gain enough power to resurrect his loved ones.

I already knew this btw

It's still evil and doesn't go against with what I said

He still showed more mercy to the king but not the soldiers who were asking for forgiveness, all just for power and self benefit.

he was willing to listen... The soldiers couldn't even speak for themselves.

That's showing mercy for self benefit of his own kingdom...

Not all of them attacked, and most of them was ordered to... It doesn't deny that they still asked for forgiveness

...

No, I just don't care and don't remember. I'm not interested/invested in the show

I'm not going to argue about this with you, if you like the verse/show... You do you, for me it disappointed me and that's it.

I didn't go in depth so that might be why you maybe misunderstood what I was talking about specifically

 

[Antvasima]

Monkey, I love you, but we should probably stop now. 🕊

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Monkey, I love you, but we should probably stop now. 🕊

yes, I was just clarifying as a last response

I wasn't really trying to derail or anything