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Clover no one is taking issue with his gravity being capable of swallowing light
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One Piece: Black Hole Mechanics
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Ngl that density scan just cut out a lot of arguments
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The density scan isn't anything new though. The page it's from is in the first few lines of your calc.
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If you acknowledge this, where's the point of contention?Clover no one is taking issue with his gravity being capable of swallowing light
Especially with the density thing That_moron just brought up
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Yeah but I never actually spoke about it
They kept saying "Blackbeard could just directly manipulate gravity to absorb light instead of creating mass dense enough to absorb light"
But he sent a scan saying how he has mass dense enough to absorb light
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Not inherently. Density intrinsically refers to the compactness of a substance. The substance in question being darkness. Meaning the statement is "the high compactness of the darkness can attract in light", which is not the same as "it contains a mass density on par with a Black Hole, giving it insane mass".
There's the entire posts from DT, Damage, Deceived, and I that explain our contentions
you've been reading the thread right? Idk why people are bringing up it absorbing light like it's a divine revelation we all didn't already know.
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There's the entire posts from DT, Damage, Deceived, and I that explain our contentions
I have, but nothing from the opposition has been convincing at all. Also I feel that maybe the main points of contention got a bit lost amidst all the different discussions that seem to be happening all at once.
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what
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Real
Well I'll let DT respond to the arguments addressed to his post
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Can someone grab the RAW's of the statement that @That_moron2 posted because both translations don't correlate with each other.
In the official Viz translation, it does bring up it having high enough density to absorb even light:
But in the unofficial translation for the colored manga it states it's just a "force" that sucks up everything, even light:
In the official Viz translation, it does bring up it having high enough density to absorb even light:
But in the unofficial translation for the colored manga it states it's just a "force" that sucks up everything, even light:
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Ngl idk how everyone else feels about this but maybe a summary of the arguments for and against using this could be summarized into one post. That way there's something to link back to for anyone wondering what the arguments are
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DT: Nothing says it's its density allowing it to absorb light
Blackbeard: It's dense enough to absorb light
Arc: Slurp
Blackbeard: It's dense enough to absorb light
Arc: Slurp
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I'll post a summary of my thoughts on it tomorrow.
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I do agree with finding the raws for this.Can someone grab the RAW's of the statement that @That_moron2 posted because both translations don't correlate with each other.
In the official Viz translation, it does bring up it having high enough density to absorb even light:
But in the unofficial translation for the colored manga it states it's just a "force" that sucks up everything, even light:
If the raws agree it's about density I think the argument of it being so dense that it absorbs light wipes out almost the entire point of the opposition
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I really don't have the energy to explain to you the difference between the broad term "density" and the phrase "mass density" Tempest. If you'd like you can open a book and read about it. Or you can keep calling me a DT meat muncher, whatever floats your boat.
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Welp it doesn't say density and viz proves once again how shitty it is
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Bad news for you all: the raws don't use the kanji for 'density'. It uses the kanji for 'force'.
EDIT: Zamn, KT ninja'd.
EDIT: Zamn, KT ninja'd.
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"it's so compact that it absorbs light"
that literally makes absolutely no sense for something that doesn't have mass
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Eminiteable
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Early Viz, respect Stephangoat
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"This is fiction you can have force without mass"
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Fujitora; "Allow me to introduce myself"
/s
In all seriousness though, I'll get back to this thread properly tomorrow if it is still up.
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bro manipulates acceleration due to gravity in certain directions, not actually forces
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common Migue W
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The rest of my point still stands btw. And I'm pulling up more stuff right now.
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Force and weight mean similar things in writing, I'd add. For example "an enemy would be crushed by the force of the iron ball falling", is interchangeable with "an enemy would be crushed by the weight of the iron ball falling". And in physics terms you need weight for force. So either way scan still means that the darkness has mass, and density. I proved with no opposition so far that the force of it doesn't come from magic but weight.
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Also no evidence exists against the black holes having mass, but evidence does exist for darkness having mass. Even a little evidence trumps none at all. Oda even described the Yami Yami no mi's sucking as being similar to a black hole. It is also the only logia that has a physical form, and if something has a physical form it has mass.
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Damage and DT have been thoroughly debunked, Clover agrees and Migue's stance isn't clear, nor is Executor's current stance.
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Bro, I don't know how many times we have to explain this. We all agree that the object has mass, the argument is against it having mass proportional with its gravitational pull.
Evidence of the darkness having mass isn't evidence for it having mass equivalent with its attraction force.
Evidence of the darkness having mass isn't evidence for it having mass equivalent with its attraction force.
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Everything else aside, Migue said he agrees
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Neat.
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The evidence is that it sucks in light.
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That's evidence for its gravitational pull being comparable with a black hole.
It isn't evidence for it having mass equivalent with its gravitational pull.
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Can this be calculated?
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Without the escape velocity idk, might be something to research
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