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Introduction:
the purpose of this content revision thread is to define on the wiki the ability to create black blades with Armament Haki.
How they function and their limitations:
According to Zoro's Vivre card it states this:
grants Invulnerability to the sword.
Edit; since the ability invulnerability needs more definite prerequisites for it to be applied, meaning instead of the ability invulnerability this will be counted as "At least 6-B" durability like @XDragnoir suggested.
This actually follows with what we learn in the story, just without direct confirmation that it's invulnerability, as Mihawk tells Zoro that any blade can be turned into a black blade just like Yoru and that if Zoro had this ability back in east blue his swords wouldn't have shattered even against Mihawk.
Since we've established permanent and non-permanent black blades are essentially the same, we can look at what is said about the permanent Blades; Yoru is a sword with unparalleled hardness, The same is said about Ryuma's blade. This tells us they're supposed to be treated as indestructibly hard/durable.
Currently there are no anti-feats, we even have a good idea of just how durable they are since against Big Mom's and Kaido's combined attack Zoro's swords which he turned into black blades were completely unharmed, yet, he himself was severely injured and had 30 of his bones broken.
I want to mention that this ability does come with limits, like I said above this ability is only ever shown to be applicable to blades as Zoro himself has still been damaged despite his blades being fine.
This also can't be applied to any other armament haki user as they have plenty of antifeats;
making their swords invulnerable granting their swords "At least 6-B" durability, this however wouldn't apply to the swordsman's regular body.
Defining what proficiency of Haki this falls under on the Haki page:
By default this would have to be at least classified as a Proficient Armament Haki feat as simply applying regular koka beyond the user's body on to weapons, attire, and projectiles is at such a level.
Considering that this application of Haki is already a superior version than a proficient application, and that a possessing this application of Haki is notable even to someone who has mastered Armament Haki completely, I believe this application should fall under the Advanced proficiency on the haki page.
Another thing is we currently accept making permanent black blade (Ryuma's and Mihawk's) as an application of advanced armament, yet, as Mihawk says any blade can be turned into a black blade just like Mihawk's and that's what he taught Zoro; to our knowledge making one permanent is "Forged" through battle and it isn't suggested to be some higher level than the non-permanent version.
Which profiles this effects:
This wouldn't effect characters who have shown to use armament haki on bladed weapons as there's no way to distinguish what they're doing is the same as a black blade user, we would need statements of their ability to directly do this, these are the only profiles who have been stated/shown to have black blade haki:
In Zoro's recent vivre card it's revealed that his new sword Enma is a cursed sword, the likely from it's profile on the meito page needs to be removed.
the purpose of this content revision thread is to define on the wiki the ability to create black blades with Armament Haki.
How they function and their limitations:
According to Zoro's Vivre card it states this:
From this statement we gather that it's a different application than regular standard Haki from the term "the Haki" rather than just "He acquired Haki after abstaining from alcohol during his training". Plus, it says "the exception of Shusui" it can't be regular haki as Shusui was unable to cut through Monet the logia, telling us it isn't standard haki and instead a variation. We also learn that this type of Haki creates black blades which cannot be damaged, meaning it
Edit; since the ability invulnerability needs more definite prerequisites for it to be applied, meaning instead of the ability invulnerability this will be counted as "At least 6-B" durability like @XDragnoir suggested.
This actually follows with what we learn in the story, just without direct confirmation that it's invulnerability, as Mihawk tells Zoro that any blade can be turned into a black blade just like Yoru and that if Zoro had this ability back in east blue his swords wouldn't have shattered even against Mihawk.
Since we've established permanent and non-permanent black blades are essentially the same, we can look at what is said about the permanent Blades; Yoru is a sword with unparalleled hardness, The same is said about Ryuma's blade. This tells us they're supposed to be treated as indestructibly hard/durable.
Currently there are no anti-feats, we even have a good idea of just how durable they are since against Big Mom's and Kaido's combined attack Zoro's swords which he turned into black blades were completely unharmed, yet, he himself was severely injured and had 30 of his bones broken.
I want to mention that this ability does come with limits, like I said above this ability is only ever shown to be applicable to blades as Zoro himself has still been damaged despite his blades being fine.
This also can't be applied to any other armament haki user as they have plenty of antifeats;
- Against other haki users, for example a proficient armament haki user had their armament infused weapon broken by another armament infused weapon.
- And even against non-haki users, where their defenses will be bypassed by attacks too strong to defend against or if they hit something with durability so high it breaks their armament infused weapon.
Defining what proficiency of Haki this falls under on the Haki page:
By default this would have to be at least classified as a Proficient Armament Haki feat as simply applying regular koka beyond the user's body on to weapons, attire, and projectiles is at such a level.
Considering that this application of Haki is already a superior version than a proficient application, and that a possessing this application of Haki is notable even to someone who has mastered Armament Haki completely, I believe this application should fall under the Advanced proficiency on the haki page.
Another thing is we currently accept making permanent black blade (Ryuma's and Mihawk's) as an application of advanced armament, yet, as Mihawk says any blade can be turned into a black blade just like Mihawk's and that's what he taught Zoro; to our knowledge making one permanent is "Forged" through battle and it isn't suggested to be some higher level than the non-permanent version.
Which profiles this effects:
This wouldn't effect characters who have shown to use armament haki on bladed weapons as there's no way to distinguish what they're doing is the same as a black blade user, we would need statements of their ability to directly do this, these are the only profiles who have been stated/shown to have black blade haki:
- Roronoa Zoro's profile as he learned black blade Haki directly from Mihawk and in Wano is hinted he could turn Enma into a permanent one.
- Dracule Mihawk's profile and his sword Yoru's profile on the meito page.
- Ryuma's profile and his sword Shusui's profile on the meito page.
- Vista's profile since his vivre card tells us he has mastered armament haki and is capable of turning his blades into black blades.
In Zoro's recent vivre card it's revealed that his new sword Enma is a cursed sword, the likely from it's profile on the meito page needs to be removed.
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