On infinite and immeasurable speed

[LeSupremeKing1]

What speed is moving in 0 time? For example if i had a character who moved through a time stop via sheer speed, not resistance, or if I had a character who moved where time doesn't flow. Would it be considered immeasurable because time is undefined? Or infinite because they are moving/acting instantaneously?

 

[sanicspood]

innacessible

 

[QuasiYuri]

First just wouldn't be able to happen.

Second is featless.

 

[LeSupremeKing1]

First just wouldn't be able to happen.

Second is featless.

Why can’t the first one happen?
And why is the second one not a feat at all?

 

[QuasiYuri]

You need energy building up and flowing to make mouvements, things that aren't working in time stop.

There's a note on speed page regarding it. But basically being undefined by a lack of present measure just mean you don't know your speed, not that you're insanely fast.

 

[LeSupremeKing1]

You need energy building up and flowing to make mouvements, things that aren't working in time stop.

Not in fiction, anyone can write it so that energy builds ups, or write it so that someone covers distance in a time stop (again if we presume its not a resistance happening).

There's a note on speed page regarding it. But basically being undefined by a lack of present measure just mean you don't know your speed, not that you're insanely fast.

Makes sense.

 

[QuasiYuri]

Not in fiction, anyone can write it so that energy builds ups, or write it so that someone covers distance in a time stop (again if we presume its not a resistance happening).

Except you would make it a resistance regardless of intent in that situation.

 

[Onel]

Except you would make it a resistance regardless of intent in that situation.

What if it’s stated that resistance can’t be used in the situation they are in. Then it would have to be off of pure movement

 

[QuasiYuri]

What if it’s stated that resistance can’t be used in the situation they are in. Then it would have to be off of pure movement

I'm pretty sure the only person who would ever put such statements are Suggverse level writer.

And regardless, movement can't happen to begin with so it would either still be time stop or just be one of the shittiest in fiction.

 

[Vietthai96]

No, time stop mean the event progression is stop. You can't move if time doesn't run, unless you resist timestop. So there is no such a thing like move through timestop with sheer speed

 

[Onel]

No, time stop mean the event progression is stop. You can't move if time doesn't run, unless you resist timestop. So there is no such a thing like move through timestop with sheer speed

It sounds dumb, I agree, but it’s fiction, so anything can happen no matter how unrealistic it is. If it’s stated and proven then it did happen no matter how much you try to deny it. It’s dumb, but that’s the point of fiction, you can do what you want no matter how unrealistic it is

 

[QuasiYuri]

It sounds dumb, I agree, but it’s fiction, so anything can happen no matter how unrealistic it is. If it’s stated and proven then it did happen no matter how much you try to deny it. It’s dumb, but that’s the point of fiction, you can do what you want no matter how unrealistic it is

Still would be resistance.

There's a thing called suspension of disbelief after all.

 

[StekFence]

I mean, doesn’t inf speed usually ignore base line timo stop?

 

[Onel]

Still would be resistance.

There's a thing called suspension of disbelief after all.

Cant I use that same exact logic and say the same thing with magic and powers

 

[LeSupremeKing1]

Still would be resistance.

There's a thing called suspension of disbelief after all.

Im pretty sure I made it clear that distance was being covered via raw speed, no resistances. If it makes it clearer, imagine this all happening in an area where all resistances are removed.

 

[Onel]

Im pretty sure I made it clear that distance was being covered via raw speed, no resistances. If it makes it clearer, imagine this all happening in an area where all resistances are removed.

Yea, exactly

 

[QuasiYuri]

Cant I use that same exact logic and say the same thing with magic and powers

... Suspension of Disbelief is litteraly what allow these to be accepted on some level.

 

[QuasiYuri]

Im pretty sure I made it clear that distance was being covered via raw speed, no resistances. If it makes it clearer, imagine this all happening in an area where all resistances are removed.

Then you get a useless feat that gives nothing by itself. Wonderful.
Or at best it gives a feat of weakness for said Time Stop.

 

[Urshani]

Then you get a useless feat that gives nothing by itself. Wonderful.
Or at best it gives a feat of weakness for said Time Stop.

acutally infinite speed can move through time stop because you can move infinite distance in 0 time, at least i think

 

[QuasiYuri]

acutally infinite speed can move through time stop because you can move infinite distance in 0 time, at least i think

This question was answered countless times, and the answer is still that no, Time Stop just makes any real speed useless.

I guess the most famous example in VS debatting of how useless speed is may be Shreiber, whose law is to be the fastest but just get rendered useless when Ren unlocked the ability to time stop, instead of time slow.

 

[Urshani]

This question was answered countless times, and the answer is still that no, Time Stop just makes any real speed useless.

wtf i thought jojo was impressive because of the fact their time stop could affect infinites/immeasurables

although, if you have immeasurable speed you could just walk away because your speed would surpass time

 

[QuasiYuri]

although, if you have immeasurable speed you could just walk away because your speed would surpass time

As long as Immeasurable speed stays a way to wank time travel to the most ridiculous conclusion yeah.

 

[Onel]

Then you get a useless feat that gives nothing by itself. Wonderful.
Or at best it gives a feat of weakness for said Time Stop.

So do you need T to equal infinite in order to achieve infinite speed? I thought it was that you needed the formula of speed not to apply to you, and to do that you need T = 0

 

[QuasiYuri]

So do you need T to equal infinite in order to achieve infinite speed? I thought it was that you needed the formula of speed not to apply to you, and to do that you need T = 0

Well, tbh most Infinite Speed are reliable statements or crossing an Infinite distance.

And to get infinite speed you do need the speed formula, but just need to make it to the highest possible value, which would logically be D=infinite or T=0 (the latter being near impossible to truly find anyway).

However Time Stop doesn't work with this since the T value can't change no matter what + the problem just isn't speed related (or to be exact, the problem can be answered any way you want. If a verse decides that supersonic speed is needed to move in timestop, then you need that. If another says you need infinite, you'll need that. However it would be a weakness on the time stop side. And if nothing is precised, then your Time Stop really sucks).

 

[Onel]

And to get infinite speed you do need the speed formula, but just need to make it to the highest possible value, which would logically be D=infinite or T=0 (the latter being near impossible to truly find anyway).

However Time Stop doesn't work with this since the T value can't change no matter what

Why wouldn’t time thag isn’t flowing work? That is what 0 time is. With time being stopped, the time would equate to 0 due to it not being able to flow. It’s still existent, but it’s just not flowing. Is there a good explanation for this or do you guys just not allow it?

 

[GreatIskandar14045]

Why wouldn’t time thag isn’t flowing work? That is what 0 time is. With time being stopped, the time would equate to 0 due to it not being able to flow. It’s still existent, but it’s just not flowing. Is there a good explanation for this or do you guys just not allow it?

Time being stopped doesn't equate as 0 second. The first is literally stopped and the latter is still flowing on somehow infinitesimal timeframe. Close, but they aren't the same.

 

[QuasiYuri]

Why wouldn’t time thag isn’t flowing work? That is what 0 time is. With time being stopped, the time would equate to 0 due to it not being able to flow. It’s still existent, but it’s just not flowing. Is there a good explanation for this or do you guys just not allow it?

Because not flowing =/= doing something in a timeframe of 0 sec.

To take an equivalent with distance, it would be like someone punching you so hard you travel an infinite distance, you crossed the distance, but not because of your speed.

 

[Peppersalt43]

Here's an example of something like it happening. In fact, we have the profiles of these characters in the wiki

The Japanese man is Hiro Nakamura and currently, he has stopped time

 

[Peppersalt43]

Here are their profiles

Daphne Millbrook

Daphne Millbrook was Matt Parkman's love interest in Volume Three. With the ability to run at super speeds she was perceived by Hiro Nakamura as being a villain, when in actuality she was being used by Arthur Petrelli. Tier: 10-A Name: Daphne Millbrook, Speedster Origin: Heroes (TV Series)...

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Hiro Nakamura

Hiro Nakamura is one of the main characters of the Series, Heroes. He used to be a simple business officer until he discovered his capability to manipulate space and time. With his newfound ability, he decides that it's his destiny to help save New York from the explosion that wipes it out...

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Daphne is merely Massively Hypersonic and yet...

 

[Roun12]

Daphne literally says time isn't completely stopped. So his "time stop" is just him slowing time to where everything seems stopped.