Omori vs Chara

[The_Smashor]

Obligatory spoiler warning for OMORI.

Anyways, I finally finished Omori's profile (Rest of the cast is coming soon), so I thought "why not try it out"? And then it just so happened that Undertale got nerfed to Low 2-C, so everything just kinda worked out.

Rules: Speed Equalized. Both are Low 2-C. The fight takes place in Headspace. Otherwise SBA.

Omori:	Chara:​

Inconclusive: 4 (Bruhtelho, Mariogoods, Peppersalt43, Oleggator)

 

[Ned_the_outer_god]

Battle of 2 psychotic children, nice

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Omori has a lot of advantage in Hax

 

[Bruhtelho]

Doesn't Chara one-shot? Omori doesn't have Universe level+ durability nor does he have a way around SAVE & LOAD or Immortality type 4 and 8

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Actually no. The one who attacks first wins. And considering Omori's Hax I believe he will win

 

[Bruhtelho]

Actually no. The one who attacks first wins. And considering Omori's Hax I believe he will win

if Chara messes up then she is going to use SAVE and LOAD and do things differently
BFR could work but none of those places she could get sent to have a different Space and Time so they should just be apart of the Headspace which means Chara can just restart the battle if she ends up BFR'd

pretty sure Chara just uses SAVE and LOAD until she lands a hit on Omori since he can't really prevent her from using em

 

[The_Smashor]

The thing is, Omori literally refuses to succumb to death. In his boss fight, he gets damaged enough to die several times over, but he refuses to succumb. The only times we see Omori die are in gameplay (Which can be argued to be game mechanics considering this dosn't happen in his boss fight) and when he stabs himself on purpose. And even in the latter situation, he can still come back.

It can also be argued Omori's empathic manipulation could actually effect Chara, since it works on 4th Wall Breaking Download Windows, Snot Bubbles, Robots and embodiments of mental trauma.

 

[Bruhtelho]

The thing is, Omori literally refuses to succumb to death. In his boss fight, he gets damaged enough to die several times over, but he refuses to succumb. The only times we see Omori die are in gameplay (Which can be argued to be game mechanics considering this dosn't happen in his boss fight) and when he stabs himself on purpose. And even in the latter situation, he can still come back.

It can also be argued Omori's empathic manipulation could actually effect Chara, since it works on 4th Wall Breaking Download Windows, Snot Bubbles, Robots and embodiments of mental trauma.

"Resistance to Empathic Manipulation (Cannot understand the sentimentality of the player and those feelings any more, which the demon may be literally unable to understand. Flowey's lack of a soul made him believe he was unable to love other people and thus lacked compassion)"

she completely lacks feelings so that isn't happening

He may not succumb to death but that doesn't really matter when Chara has the AP advantage to go for Incap after she sees it once

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

AP in this fight is useless. And the point of the empathic manipulation working is that in a way Omori is able to manipulate the emotion of beings that have no emotion, so in theory Omori's manipulation is above baseline. And with this logic the manipulation works in Chara

 

[Bruhtelho]

AP in this fight is useless. And the point of the empathic manipulation working is that in a way Omori is able to manipulate the emotion of beings that have no emotion, so in theory Omori's manipulation is above baseline. And with this logic the manipulation works in Chara

his empathic manipulation could effect Chara but it doesn't seem like its going to stop her from using SAVE & LOAD after Omori does anything afterwards

Omori doesn't really have a save way to put Chara Down well she can counter everything he does with SAVE & LOAD then after she sees him refuse to succumb to death she'll just Incap him or Knock him out

 

[The_Smashor]

Omori could also do that, though. In fact, considering how many people he's BFR'd, it can be argued it's more in character for Omori to do that. Also, considering Omori can observe well enough to see who someone will attack next and write multiple facts about a foe after seeing them once, it's not unreasonable to assume Omori would eventually catch on to Chara's immortality.

 

[Epiccheev]

Considering Chara's immortality/ save and load comes from determination, would affecting them with empathic manipulation get rid of that or nah?

 

[The_Smashor]

Actually, Chara's immorality comes from The Player's wish to grow stronger.

Also, I should note Omori could make Chara completely forget about fighting him considering his Memory Manipulation can erase the memories of a person from basically the entirety of Headspace.

 

[Bruhtelho]

ig i'll lean towards Incon for now

Both have good win cons and it really depends how the fight plays out

 

[The_Smashor]

Bump

 

[Mariogoods]

I vote to Inconclusive FRA.

 

[Peppersalt43]

Incon FRA

 

[Oleggator]

Incon FRA

 

[Soupywolf5]

Considering Chara's immortality/ save and load comes from determination, would affecting them with empathic manipulation get rid of that or nah?

Apologies if this is obvious, but why do we assume Chara (Not Chara possessing Frisk, just regular Chara) can save and load on their own? As far as I know Chara themself hasn’t ever shown that ability

 

[iFlashboy]

Here are my two cents:
The fight will go on forever since neither can kill the other. Omori will never succumb to any attack, and Chara could refuse to die, similar to Frisk, since their determination is presumably similar. Even if it isn't, Chara can LOAD to return to the beginning of the battle. Omori has RED HANDS, but since Chara can survive the universe being destroyed, I doubt RED HANDS could erase them. Since neither can die, eventually, Chara could destroy all of Headspace since they have enough power to destroy the universe, which also contains possibly thousands of timelines due to Flowey's time fuckery. And Headspace is obviously a lot smaller than the entire universe. This would cause Sunny to wake up or return Omori to White space, which could be considered BFR. Even if it's not, Omori would be forced to STAB to wake Sunny up anyway. Since Sunny would eventually have to sleep again, Chara could re-enter Headspace to fight again. Chara would never leave Sunny or Headspace due to their determination, which would continue until Sunny dies, giving them the win by default. Even if Omori did BFR Chara, there's nothing stopping them from destroying wherever they would put with the same universe-destroying power they have. I would Vote for a Chara win, since Omori can't kill them permanently, and Chara can destroy headspace giving them the BFR Victory.