Omniscient Reader's Viewpoint: General Concepts

[Digital_Franz]

Hi everyone, I hope you are doing well. I come back with another headache. This thread will be focused on Stories and Status.

STORIES​

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Explanations​

Stories are the core concept of Omniscient Reader's Viewpoint. Everything is made of stories and is stories.

Stories are the fundamental building blocks of reality. Their applications range from defining the properties of an object to defining the properties of an entire dimension.

For a dimension to function correctly, all its own concepts must be created, inked, defined and described. The stories of the dimensions are independent of each other, and so these concepts too are independent of those of the other dimensions. If even one essential concept is missing or left undefined, the dimension itself can become fragmented or nonsensical. For instance, in one world where the concept of taste was not well-defined, anything edible that was created just had no taste. Similarly, the lack of a coherent concept of space made its understanding impossible.

Each dimension has its own Notion of time, independent of other dimensions, and this time can flow differently from one dimension to another. Dimensions have their own temporal and spatial axes which govern their functioning. When stories are interrupted or, to put it simply, are no longer written, the flow of time in the corresponding dimension stops. Conversely, when stories are resumed, time begins to flow again.

Stories are not static records of events-they are alive, interactive, and capable of influencing reality. Stories can be changed through interaction, and in doing so, the nature of reality is also changed. The whole world itself is just a big story containing all the other stories that participate in it.

Abilities​

Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1) & Information Manipulation (Type 2) - Stories are the fundamental building blocks of reality. Stories define in a more abstract way an object, a dimension (defining its concepts such as taste, space, time or the axes of space and time), a person (being more abstract even than the soul, defining the memory as well as the life and death of a person), and reality in its entirety (defining all the space and time of reality as well as the laws that govern it). Stories are created outside of space and time, outside of the world, in the Snowfield where all space and time of reality is created.

Reality Warping - Stories make up everything that exists in reality and manipulating them allows to change reality.

Law Manipulation - Stories define the laws of the world and their manipulation allows the modification of these laws.

Void Manipulation - Stories make up the Outer Universe which is a void of nothingness.

Causality Manipulation - The world being only a novel and a story, the cause can be manipulated to achieve a certain result.

Mathematics Manipulation - Through the stories and the world being only a novel, logic and forms can be manipulated to create whatever is desired.

Dimensional Manipulation & Space-Time Manipulation - Dimensions are made of stories. These stories define the concepts of space and time and any other concepts necessary for the inhabitants of these dimensions and by manipulating the stories, a being is able to manipulate the axes and the space-time.

Plot Manipulation - The world being only a story and a novel, by manipulating the stories, one being is able to modify the plot of another or even the world.

Conceptual Life and Death Manipulation (Type 1) - The lifespan of stories can be manipulated.

Soul Manipulation - By manipulating stories, a being is directly able to manipulate the soul.

Memory Manipulation, Power Absorption & Power Nullification - By manipulating stories, a being is able to access the memories recorded there as well as the abilities of the owners of those stories.

Mind Manipulation - The story of a being contains their consciousness.

Life and Death Manipulation - The story contains the life and death of a being.

Conceptual Absorption (Type 1) & Fusionism - Those who manipulate stories can absorb or merge stories.

Existence Erasure & Power Destruction - Merging stories gives the possibility to erase an existence and stigmas.

Resurrection Negation & Immortality Negation (Types 4, 6 & 8) - Scale to the feat of Fourth Wall who when he absorbed the story of Nirvana Moebius, prevented him from reincarnating and upon absorption prevented him from returning to his body or parasitizing a nearby being.

STATUS​

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Status in Omniscient Reader's Viewpoint is a concept related to stories and is used by everything in the verse. The section below will explain how Status qualifies for a Universal Energy System.

Limited Energy System​

Status is generated and influenced by stories. Thus, anything with a story has a Status. Status is a kind of energy, the source of magical power and any other energy like ether. It powers everything, be it skills, stigmas or powers.

Non-Physical Energy System​

The amount of magical power invested in a skill or stigma determines how powerful it is. Increasing Status or Magic Power invested in various skills and stigmas increases their effects, such as: increasing Magic Power increases the power of a skill, increasing Status increases power and speed.

Universal Energy System​

Ether can be used to wrap a sword and make it stronger. Magic Power can be used in various ways such as shooting energy beams or strengthening the body. Status is what strengthens the body, with an increase in Status leading to a direct increase in physical stats.

The Status window that displays stats like in a video game displays the effectiveness of body strengthening using Status. Physical and Strength levels refer to durability and lifting strength respectively, the Agility level refers to speed and the Magic Power level refers to the amount of Magic Power that can be drawn from the Status. An increase in these stats directly shows that the Status received by the body has increased.

The majority of Status are more than what the body can handle, the status window therefore allows the stats to slowly increase so that the body can be rebuilt little by little to accommodate more Status. An increase in Status allows for more body strengthening, increasing power, increasing speed and also increasing lifting strength.

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

Abilities​

Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1) & Information Manipulation (Type 2) - Stories are the fundamental building blocks of reality. Stories define in a more abstract way an object, a dimension (defining its concepts such as taste, space, time or the axes of space and time), a person (being more abstract even than the soul, defining the memory as well as the life and death of a person), and reality in its entirety (defining all the space and time of reality as well as the laws that govern it). Stories are created outside of space and time, outside of the world, in the Snowfield where all space and time of reality is created.

I don't see information type 2. Just because they make up the world and are fundamental does not make them information itself. They need to be interchangeable with information for this to count as information type 2.

 

[Digital_Franz]

I don't see information type 2. Just because they make up the world and are fundamental does not make them information itself. They need to be interchangeable with information for this to count as information type 2.

?? I didn't know it needed to be called Information to have IM2. Lol. Plus, It's made of 0 and 1, it looks so much like information.

Fundamental: These characters can manipulate information, which serves as fundamental building block of reality. This can allow characters to rewrite the world to their whims, often by programming it much like they would a virtual reality. These manipulation can come on many levels. For some it might just be the mechanism behind mundane magical abilities, while others can rewrite information to change reality, causality or the laws of nature.

It's like asking for something to be called a concept to get Conceptual Manipulation.

In short, what you're pointing out makes no sense.

 

[Robo432343]

I agree with everything except info type 2

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

?? I didn't know it needed to be called Information to have IM2. Lol.

Because things do not need to be information to be fundamental building blocks of the world. They can be anything: matter, laws, spirits, etc., depending on the verse

Plus, It's made of 0 and 1, it looks so much like information.

Yeah, that works. Just add it on information type 2 justification. I was hesitating to use this digital information stuff for my thread but will use it too

It's like asking for something to be called a concept to get Conceptual Manipulation.

depends on the context.

In short, what you're pointing out makes no sense.

It does with your logic. Anything that is said to make up the world and all things, also said to be the source and foundation, is information type 2.

 

[Digital_Franz]

Because things do not need to be information to be fundamental building blocks of the world. They can be anything: matter, laws, spirits, etc., depending on the verse

Yeah except that:

• They aren't matter
• They aren't laws
• They aren't spirits
• They make up the reality
• They define laws
• They contain all the information about a being and a dimension

That should be enough to be IM2.

Yeah, that works. Just add it on information type 2 justification. I was hesitating to use this digital information stuff for my thread but will use it too

Uh it's in the scan though.

depends on the context.

Yeah same here.

It does with your logic. Anything that is said to make up the world and all things, also said to be the source and foundation, is information type 2.

Not really, no. I have explained the stories a lot and what is in the justification is just a summary of the explanations. With the explanations it is obvious that they are Information Type 2.

 

[Voidnether]

Yeah except that:

• They aren't matter
• They aren't laws
• They aren't spirits
• They make up the reality
• They define laws
• They contain all the information about a being and a dimension

From what I've seen on the scans, the bolded text doesn't explicitly state "information" — Yeah, he was right unfortunately about it being required to be stated as an information as ridiculous as that sounds (You could argue that it doesn't have to be an information, but it would be required to be stated as "data of reality" in which I don't see that part here. Even with that statement, it means data must have some correlations with information and the end result is the same: It needs to be stated explicitly as information regardless).

The rest are fine and could be used as a justification, if it was stated explicitly or described that information makes up reality whether through laws, data, concepts, etc.

TLDR; Story (The one that makes up reality) doesn't have any correlations with information whatsoever, so yeah it doesn't get Information Type 2.

 

[Digital_Franz]

From what I've seen on the scans, the bolded text doesn't explicitly state "information" — Yeah, he was right unfortunately about it being required to be stated as an information as ridiculous as that sounds (You could argue that it doesn't have to be an information, but it would be required to be stated as "data of reality" in which I don't see that part here. Even with that statement, it means data must have some correlations with information and the end result is the same: It needs to be stated explicitly as information regardless).

The rest are fine and could be used as a justification, if it was stated explicitly or described that information makes up reality whether through laws, data, concepts, etc.

TLDR; Story (The one that makes up reality) doesn't have any correlations with information whatsoever, so yeah it doesn't get Information Type 2.

I think the main issue is that you don't read the scans (I get it, I do it a lot too). Well, he already agrees. I'll point out that it doesn't need to be called information, but hey I think here is enough for it to be seen as containing information (sentences) and being Information Type 2. Well I also have this just in case.

 

[Voidnether]

I think the main issue is that you don't read the scans (I get it, I do it a lot too). Well, he already agrees. I'll point out that it doesn't need to be called information, but hey I think here is enough for it to be seen as containing information (sentences).

Honestly, when I was reading the scans I was just looking if it's explicitly stated to be an information, in which I don't seem to find one: That's why, I kinda dismissed it (Some of them are remotely close, but it's not an explicit one).

Yeah, that's more of something like Text and Math Manipulation — I'll give you a hypothetical example though, in which let's just say it's stated as an information directly. Since the information here is being contained in the Story, this wouldn't even get Information Type 2 and it's only Type 1..

As per definition, it requires the information to be a fundamental building block in reality. You'd only get this if the Story above is the information themselves, or if the Story that contains information: The information inside is able to change reality just like memories. It's purely hypothetical though, but yeah. Again, it's pretty much required there to be stated information explicitly and then I'll just see where it goes. Whether it's Type 1 or Type 2.

This feels overcomplicated imo, but it's what I've could gather with this Information Type 2 stuff with the threads that I've participated about Information Type 2 solely. Best to ask staff at this point if it fits the standard or not, the rest are probably fine except for Information Type 2 — So, just list me there.

 

[Digital_Franz]

Honestly, when I was reading the scans I was just looking if it's explicitly stated to be an information, in which I don't seem to find one: That's why, I kinda dismissed it (Some of them are remotely close, but it's not an explicit one).

No need to be explicit though. Just some context.

Yeah, that's more of something like Text and Math Manipulation — I'll give you a hypothetical example though, in which let's just say it's stated as an information directly. Since the information here is being contained in the Story, this wouldn't even get Information Type 2 and it's only Type 1..

Nope, nothing to do with Text Manipulation. The meta-fictional aspect of the franchise is just too far gone, making it manipulate information like that. The stories contain the sentences, making the stories information by their very nature.

As per definition, it requires the information to be a fundamental building block in reality.

Yeah.

You'd only get this if the Story above is the information themselves, or if the Story that contains information: The information inside is able to change reality just like memories. It's purely hypothetical though, but yeah. Again, it's pretty much required there to be stated information explicitly and then I'll just see where it goes. Whether it's Type 1 or Type 2.

Stories are informations in themselves, containing everything in relation to a being (the sentences).

This feels overcomplicated imo, but it's what I've could gather with this Information Type 2 stuff with the threads that I've participated about Information Type 2 solely. Best to ask staff at this point if it fits the standard or not, the rest are probably fine except for Information Type 2 — So, just list me there.

Yeah I said it, headache. If you're talking about this thread, you should know that there is no context regarding the nature of the energy, having only one scan so vague. It's very different here and I think that's enough.

 

[Voidnether]

Because things do not need to be information to be fundamental building blocks of the world. They can be anything: matter, laws, spirits, etc., depending on the verse

Elaborate more, afaik Tensura gets their Information Type 2 because it's literally what defines everything.

Well I also have this just in case.

That's just math tbh, but I've heard that Data is also a subset of Story, no? I would like you to elaborate that more, it honestly could get Information Type 2 based on what I've said above.

 

[Voidnether]

Nope, nothing to do with Text Manipulation. The meta-fictional aspect of the franchise is just too far gone, making it manipulate information like that. The stories contain the sentences, making the stories information by their very nature.

Stories are informations in themselves, containing everything in relation to a being (the sentences).

Then it's Plot Manipulation (It's hinted on the manga multiple times that things like those refer to Plot, so yeah), for it to be information.. I don't have to say it twice that it needs to be stated as information in which there's none on the scans.

Yeah I said it, headache. If you're talking about this thread, you should know that there is no context regarding the nature of the energy, having only one scan so vague. It's very different here and I think that's enough.

No, it predates way before that — And yeah, the thread was rejected. If you're trying to bring TGOH's case in which it's this one where it's not actually explicitly stated to be an information (None of the scans explicitly says them) — Apparently, it was stated to be "biological information" and "genetic information" by the one who creates the blog themselves even as far as:

The Core Element in GoH is the life essence of reality, it encompasses a person's fundamental information: their Mind, Will, Body and Soul. This dictates how a person can interact with reality and how reality interacts with a person.

But you get the point, in which case though: I'm still not seeing Information Type 2 on the scans you provided earlier, and I'm also not saying that you're extrapolating them. I even said it myself it would be best to leave it to the staff (As for me personally, it seems like that I just overcomplicate it but honestly it's according to what I've come to understand about the standards themselves). So, tone down the attitude. I just explained why it doesn't get it and I also explained how it would get Information Type 2 based on the reasonings that I gave you earlier.

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

That's just math tbh, but I've heard that Data is also a subset of Story, no? I would like you to elaborate that more, it honestly could get Information Type 2 based on what I've said above.

I see. The only thing I can say is that you're kind of right. I also looked at my verse, and yes, it is math. I agree with your entire argument why this is not information type 2 etc

 

[Digital_Franz]

That's just math tbh, but I've heard that Data is also a subset of Story, no? I would like you to elaborate that more, it honestly could get Information Type 2 based on what I've said above.

Uh no. It's to better elaborate on their nature. Well, whatever.

Then it's Plot Manipulation (It's hinted on the manga multiple times that things like those refer to Plot, so yeah), for it to be information.. I don't have to say it twice that it needs to be stated as information in which there's none on the scans.

Nothing to do with Plot Manipulation either with the scan itself.

No, it predates way before that — And yeah, the thread was rejected.

The case is quite different.

If you're trying to bring TGOH's case in which it's this one where it's not actually explicitly stated to be an information (None of the scans explicitly says them) — Apparently, it was stated to be "biological information" and "genetic information" by the one who creates the blog themselves even as far as:

Yeah they are informations. The case is quite similar although I do not have direct statements regarding genes, it is practically said that stories define everything. Just with this as an example I can tell why it is Information Type 2.

But you get the point, in which case though: I'm still not seeing Information Type 2 on the scans you provided earlier, and I'm also not saying that you're extrapolating them. I even said it myself it would be best to leave it to the staff (As for me personally, it seems like that I just overcomplicate it but honestly it's according to what I've come to understand about the standards themselves).

Yeah I know. Well I would like to address a few points to the opposition but since you don't want them I'll just address them to someone else.

So, tone down the attitude.

I have never said a word suggesting what you want to point out.

I just explained why it doesn't get it and I also explained how it would get Information Type 2 based on the reasonings that I gave you earlier.

Yeah sure.

I see. The only thing I can say is that you're kind of right. I also looked at my verse, and yes, it is math. I agree with your entire argument why this is not information type 2 etc

What? You realize that this has literally nothing to do with it. This is a character doing calculations that goes into binary mode (which is obviously Math Manipulation) while here we have "particles" that are just made of zeros and ones like data in computing.

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

What? You realize that this has literally nothing to do with it. This is a character doing calculations that goes into binary mode (which is obviously Math Manipulation) while here we have "particles" that are just made of zeros and ones like data in computing.

Don't change much since those particles or data are just fragments of the story and they are not the building blocks of reality; a story contains them. Here, for example, I try to prove that data and information are tied together and also prove that the fundamental thing is interchangeable with information

 

[Digital_Franz]

Don't change much since those particles or data are just fragments of the story and they are not the building blocks of reality; a story contains them.

And fragments of the story are still stories and are building blocks of reality. Yeah that's total bullshit (literally this verse). Further up, as I said, smaller stories participate in the larger ones, like they are directly part of these stories, being just pieces.

Here, for example, I try to prove that data and information are tied together and also prove that the fundamental thing is interchangeable with information

Everything mentioned in your thread is here, except that "information" or "data" is not directly mentioned, and that is not a reason to limit any verse. I took this scan with the sentences which are clearly information.

 

[Voidnether]

What? You realize that this has literally nothing to do with it. This is a character doing calculations that goes into binary mode (which is obviously Math Manipulation) while here we have "particles" that are just made of zeros and ones like data in computing.

I'd hate it if Information Manipulation Type 2 here is because of this, when it's not: It's simply an analogy to explain Story with Elementary Particles like the one in the feat — Not to mention, it's a side story and it's only explained once, no?

Everything mentioned in your thread is here, except that "information" or "data" is not directly mentioned, and that is not a reason to limit any verse. I took this scan with the sentences which are clearly information.

It's not, the ground for this is too weak. It's basically saying sentences are information generally (common sense) when we know it doesn't apply on here.

There are two scans, actually that I got off-site that explains Information is basically Story (First Scan) — And the second one being memories = information themselves. You already have the feat of memory being story themselves. But, I'd like to see you try getting Story to Information Type 2 without these scans tbh since you said it's not needed to be stated as information themselves. I'm also curious on that part.

Actually, nevermind about getting IM2 through "Memories". They're not getting IM2 in any way as it's just a part of Story that apparently makes up reality. My fault on there for saying that.

 

[LOTM_Historian]

Look good, I agree with everything. Hopefully this gets accepted faster than the previous threads, been waiting for a Kim Dokja profile since forever.

 

[Lycenum_lycopersicum]

I'd hate it if Information Manipulation Type 2 here is because of this, when it's not: It's simply an analogy to explain Story with Elementary Particles like the one in the feat — Not to mention, it's a side story and it's only explained once, no?

I am not sure what do you imply by side story and being explained only once, since it is valid nonetheless, but yes, first scan is side story, second is main novel around chapter 529. we probably could have gotten quantum manip w those scans, but it is no longer and i dont think story really qualifies for advanced matter manip, more just like highly detailed reality warp and cm

 

[Digital_Franz]

More and more better. Wow.

I'd hate it if Information Manipulation Type 2 here is because of this, when it's not: It's simply an analogy to explain Story with Elementary Particles like the one in the feat — Not to mention, it's a side story and it's only explained once, no?

It's not, the ground for this is too weak. It's basically saying sentences are information generally (common sense) when we know it doesn't apply on here.

You see, it's such a funny thing. When I use a scan, you focus only on it and say that the ground is too weak. Well by considering each scans of a justification one by one, I don't think we can get something good, which is what you do: you don't add the scans and my explanations to the others but consider them separately.

Why are sentences information? Literally this scan proves it. It contains information about the very nature of the brick, and that's not all, just what interested them. What is information? I wonder. Something doesn't need to be explicitly said to be information but can be described as such. In addition, there is also this scan that says what is also contained in the stories, adding context to the other, which further reinforces the fact that they are informations. Well, I also have this scan that means nothing to me, which can show that sentences are called information.

Funny enough again, let's take the definition of the bit. Well in itself, manipulate numbers as 0 and 1 will be Math Manipulation as Grabbing illustrated well with his verse, while here it shows that stories are information because they are composed of bits which are units of information. Two very distinct things (manipulating numbers and being made of bits).

Actually, nevermind about getting IM2 through "Memories".

That was never my plan and it's not even good enough imo.

They're not getting IM2 in any way as it's just a part of Story that apparently makes up reality. My fault on there for saying that.

You know it's the same case with the core in GoH? Literally it just contains. I'm not going to use this as an example to argue, I hate doing that, it's just a matter of a little reminder.

 

[Digital_Franz]

I am not sure what do you imply by side story and being explained only once, since it is valid nonetheless, but yes, first scan is side story, second is main novel around chapter 529. we probably could have gotten quantum manip w those scans, but it is no longer and i dont think story really qualifies for advanced matter manip, more just like highly detailed reality warp and cm

I had the same questions. Well it should be noted that stories are not physical so they can't be quantum things. Reality Warping thing? Looks like an effect of Information Manipulation Type 2.

 

[Digital_Franz]

Hopefully this gets accepted faster than the previous threads, been waiting for a Kim Dokja profile since forever.

Let's wish each other good luck lol.

 

[LOTM_Historian]

Let's wish each other good luck lol.

Good luck!

 

[Voidnether]

I am not sure what do you imply by side story and being explained only once, since it is valid nonetheless, but yes, first scan is side story, second is main novel around chapter 529. we probably could have gotten quantum manip w those scans, but it is no longer and i dont think story really qualifies for advanced matter manip, more just like highly detailed reality warp and cm

Literally just 3 chapter short since Chapter 532 is basically this — In which, it's explained for Information Type 2 stuff (Straightforward one).

Why are sentences information? Literally this scan proves it. It contains information about the very nature of the brick, and that's not all, just what interested them. What is information? I wonder. Something doesn't need to be explicitly said to be information but can be described as such. In addition, there is also this scan that says what is also contained in the stories, adding context to the other, which further reinforces the fact that they are informations. Well, I also have this scan that means nothing to me, which can show that sentences are called information.

All I needed was evidence on how sentences are called information, simply because common sense cannot be implemented like "All sentences are basically information, so if the word "sentence" is mentioned then it refers to information" — Honestly, don't get why you had to say it's not required to be called as information when it actually does. It's like acting that ORV never explicitly states information when it's the otherwise.

Funny enough again, let's take the definition of the bit. Well in itself, manipulate numbers as 0 and 1 will be Math Manipulation as Grabbing illustrated well with his verse, while here it shows that stories are information because they are composed of bits which are units of information. Two very distinct things (manipulating numbers and being made of bits).

That's an analogy, no? I literally just explained this part.

You know it's the same case with the core in GoH? Literally it just contains. I'm not going to use this as an example to argue, I hate doing that, it's just a matter of a little reminder.

Memory there isn't fundamental, Story is. That's what I was saying.

 

[Digital_Franz]

Literally just 3 chapter short since Chapter 532 is basically this — In which, it's explained for Information Type 2 stuff (Straightforward one).

I have other scans like that but not really relevant for me.

All I needed was evidence on how sentences are called information, simply because common sense cannot be implemented like "All sentences are basically information, so if the word "sentence" is mentioned then it refers to information" —

Uh no. Just used the fact that the sentence is "You're a brick" to say they are informations. Yeah I don't say they are informations because they are called "sentences".

Honestly, don't get why you had to say it's not required to be called as information when it actually does.

My point is that it doesn't necessarily need to be explicitly said to be information but to be described in such a way that it will be visible that it is information.

In short what I'm saying is: an author can totally copy the definition of information for one of their concepts and you will say that it is not information because it is not called information?

It's like acting that ORV never explicitly states information when it's the otherwise.

Hmm.

That's an analogy, no?

Uh no. It is their very nature and composition that are described. The thing is, with your current reasoning, information in computing would not be information because it is made of 0 and 1 while his example is completely off topic.

Memory there isn't fundamental, Story is. That's what I was saying.

Uh yeah sure.

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

My point is that it doesn't necessarily need to be explicitly said to be information but to be described in such a way that it will be visible that it is information.

I want to find out that myself, if it is possible here in VSBW, since I can't find a character or verse having Information Type 2 without the word 'information' in their justification. I also tried to make something information without 'information' being mentioned but was saved due to the verse, so I didn't find out. It has processes that are used on information . I also asked a high-ranking staff member, which is why I am quiet.

Uh no. It is their very nature and composition that are described. The thing is, with your current reasoning, information in computing would not be information because it is made of 0 and 1 while his example is completely off topic.

Even if my example was not that good, but they were math, they would still be information. Since those zeros and ones are magic, and magic is said to be information and data, they have a composition that can be processed, analyzed, and broken down to be understood etc due to being magic.

 

[Digital_Franz]

I want to find out that myself, if it is possible here in VSBW, since I can't find a character or verse having Information Type 2 without the word 'information' in their justification. I also tried to make something information without 'information' being mentioned but was saved due to the verse, so I didn't find out. It has processes that are used on information . I also asked a high-ranking staff member, which is why I am quiet.

Just look at GoH. DNA==Information. Our race==Information. A ton of things.

Even if my example was not that good, but they were math, they would still be information. Since those zeros and ones are magic, and magic is said to be information and data, they have a composition that can be processed, analyzed, and broken down to be understood due to being magic.

Yeah because magic is said to be information, which is different here because these Stories are "made out of 0 and 1" and not "0 and 1 created with magic".

 

[Voidnether]

Uh no. Just used the fact that the sentence is "You're a brick" to say they are informations. Yeah I don't say they are informations because they are called "sentences".

In short what I'm saying is: an author can totally copy the definition of information for one of their concepts and you will say that it is not information because it is not called information?

It is not the information outlined in the standards, the standard for Information Manipulation isn't this low, really. What you're essentially saying is that manipulating sentences refer to the manipulation of information, sentences are categories as information and it's the fundamental part — Not the information itself who is fundamental in nature. You should've known by this point.

My point is that it doesn't necessarily need to be explicitly said to be information but to be described in such a way that it will be visible that it is information.

And none of that is Information Type 2, even to say that is Information Type 1: Sentences are only categorized as information, not sentences = information. You couldn't prove that sentence is basically information itself back then.

Uh no. It is their very nature and composition that are described. The thing is, with your current reasoning, information in computing would not be information because it is made of 0 and 1 while his example is completely off topic.

Manipulating them isn't Type 2, lmao.

Just look at GoH. DNA==Information. Our race==Information. A ton of things.

Do you see what you're saying, after the word DNA is basically "information"? I don't think you realize how absurd how many times the word information exists on the blog itself. If it is really through common sense, they wouldn't state information so many times..

 

[Digital_Franz]

It is not the information outlined in the standards, the standard for Information Manipulation isn't this low, really.

Thats what you think. Just define information first. Later, say me the "information" in the standards.

What you're essentially saying is that manipulating sentences refer to the manipulation of information, sentences are categories as information and it's the fundamental part — Not the information itself who is fundamental in nature. You should've known by this point.

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And none of that is Information Type 2, even to say that is Information Type 1: Sentences are only categorized as information, not sentences = information.

What? Uh, I am stunned.

You couldn't prove that sentence is basically information itself back then.

I think I did it just for fun a few posts above.

Manipulating them isn't Type 2, lmao.

Never said manipulating bits is Type 2 lmao. Just that Stories are informations and by the by Information Type 2.

Do you see what you're saying, after the word DNA is basically "information"?

Uh whut? I think the definition of information is needed.

I don't think you realize how absurd how many times the word information exists on the blog itself. If it is really through common sense, they wouldn't state information so many times..

I think I realize but you don't get the thing. Just like, they stated information just with common sense, no scan talking about information.